stealth in pd3 sucks ass

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pd2 was much better

[Bearikade]

So I definitely wasn't a stealth enjoyer in PD2. In every heist where I had a choice I went for the loud option because I bought a horde shooter game and if I wanted stealth gameplay there's a hundred different games I could've bought that do it better than Payday ever could.

That said, I can't think of a single area where Payday 3 isn't a direct improvement over Payday 2 in regards to stealthing mechanics.

[ketaro_su]

Originally posted by huma474:

Bad Stealth ? By design so they can sell you the "better stealth" DLC later. Good mechanics were removed so they could be resold.

Good mechanics? Like clipping the heads of bodies through walls so that guards/civies that walk by technically can't see the full corpse on display?

Yeah, thats the DLC I want to spend $10 on to re-live from the PD2 days...Good mechanics.

[Nuttycide]

Honestly, the stealth in this game is quite the upgrade compared to pd2. I enjoyed doing stealth in pd2, but the lack of casing option sometimes made certain ideas for some heist non-existent. By the way if you don't understand it, best option is just mess around in a mission for a bit and learn things through trial and error. Best way to get how stealth works in this game.

[Yeshalot]

i'm all for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the game when it deserves it.

payday 2 stealth was never given the proper attention it should have had. payday 3's stealth from the get go is a more friendly system.

but like everything else in the game its missing some key features that just should be in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, why did they remove so much stuff and think the players who've been sucking payday 2's ♥♥♥♥ for a decade wouldn't notice all the key/core features to payday 2 were removed.

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Originally posted by Dennis™:

Originally posted by Liu Kang:

sry, just raged too much because of stealth in pd3. It doesn't suck, it's just too hard for me

maybe we can help you understand it, what is it ur struggling with? or just the whole stealth concept?

I just dunno how to complete a heist as whole. There's guards, cameras and civs everywhere, how am I supposed to complete a heist? every single of my step is seen by someone

[MartyrSaint]

Originally posted by crime santa:

if you think pd2 stealth was good, you haven't played pd2 stealth

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[Dennis™]

Originally posted by Liu Kang:

Originally posted by Dennis™:

maybe we can help you understand it, what is it ur struggling with? or just the whole stealth concept?

I just dunno how to complete a heist as whole. There's guards, cameras and civs everywhere, how am I supposed to complete a heist? every single of my step is seen by someone

i'm happy to run a stealth one with u if u'd like, i've done all those are possible on stealth...

[Nuttycide]

Originally posted by Liu Kang:

I just dunno how to complete a heist as whole. There's guards, cameras and civs everywhere, how am I supposed to complete a heist? every single of my step is seen by someone

Look for patterns in the guards pathing, for civs look for areas they don't really enter or move into much. Cameras are a toss up, just keep you eye out on places they could spawn and act accordingly.

It isn't really hard, but the way the maps are put together with everything overwhelms people at first. Don't let it get you down, just take your time with it and learn what you can. Let failure be your teacher in this. It sucks at first, but the more you learn from it the better you get to grasp it.

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Originally posted by Dennis™:

Originally posted by Liu Kang:

I just dunno how to complete a heist as whole. There's guards, cameras and civs everywhere, how am I supposed to complete a heist? every single of my step is seen by someone

i'm happy to run a stealth one with u if u'd like, i've done all those are possible on stealth...

I'd like to

[TheNightglow]

Originally posted by Liu Kang:

Originally posted by Dennis™:

maybe we can help you understand it, what is it ur struggling with? or just the whole stealth concept?

I just dunno how to complete a heist as whole. There's guards, cameras and civs everywhere, how am I supposed to complete a heist? every single of my step is seen by someone

but.... wasnt payday 2 more unforgiving with guard and camera placement?

btw, if you are caught in casing mode just listen to the guards, pd3 stealth is super forgiving, getting caught does not end stealth here

also cameras rotate around in pd3 unlike pd2, so you can always wait for a camera to look away

[Moroshkin]

Originally posted by Liu Kang:

pd2 was much better

Its this right here.. we're looking at pd3 through the rose tinted goggles of pd2..

..but i understand the frustration, It feels harsher because of the longer line of sight the npcs have now, the speed at which cameras/guards/civvies all spot you and how quickly everything spirals, it hard to mitigate with no concealment stat anymore as we can't cover up sloppy or aggressive play now there's a smaller margin for error.

I like the changes, but i do wish my fat ass wasn't spotted nearly as quickly by guards..

[Nuttycide]

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

but.... wasnt payday 2 more unforgiving with guard and camera placement?

btw, if you are caught in casing mode just listen to the guards, pd3 stealth is super forgiving, getting caught does not end stealth here

Using the fact that guards only arrest in secured areas makes messing with them so much easier. Though on some maps it's pointless to do on, but still it's a nice addition to the game.

[TheNightglow]

Originally posted by Nuttycide:

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

but.... wasnt payday 2 more unforgiving with guard and camera placement?

btw, if you are caught in casing mode just listen to the guards, pd3 stealth is super forgiving, getting caught does not end stealth here

Using the fact that guards only arrest in secured areas makes messing with them so much easier. Though on some maps it's pointless to do on, but still it's a nice addition to the game.

yea^^
someone else mentioned in a different thread that if you let yourself get caught and escorted by the camera guard, all cameras are permanently disabled
so you can disable all cameras without ever leaving casing mode as well

[Nuttycide]

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

yea^^
someone else mentioned in a different thread that if you let yourself get caught and escorted by the camera guard, all cameras are permanently disabled
so you can disable all cameras without ever leaving casing mode as well

I'm going to have to try that now, lol.

[TheNightglow]

Originally posted by Nuttycide:

Originally posted by TheNightglow:

yea^^
someone else mentioned in a different thread that if you let yourself get caught and escorted by the camera guard, all cameras are permanently disabled
so you can disable all cameras without ever leaving casing mode as well

I'm going to have to try that now, lol.

sadly only really works if the camera guard is in a private and not secure area, and on some maps the camera room can cycle between secure and private
so it doesnt always work, depends on the camera room placement