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Shiseru Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:21pm
Online Only was a mistake.
Been staring at the matchmaking screen for 30+min, and it still hasn't put me in a lobby.
Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy the game, I just wish I could ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play it. :mbshaaa:
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Originally posted by Feynt:
Originally posted by Gamble8624:
Terminally online people complaining about having to play online.
Our complaints are we can't play solo or with our friends. I'm not playing "Payday3: The MMO", I'm playing "Payday 3: The up to 4 player multiplayer game." If I want to host a game for my friends to join, I shouldn't have to deal with non-existent servers locking me out. Today is launch day and nobody can play. This weekend when I want to play with my friends who are off work? Same deal. If it was any proper multiplayer game though, I could self host.

Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:
Payday 2 has a huge cheating problem, a huge desync problem, and a ton of other problems stemming from some random person hosting the game (Host crash aborts mission, you never know what you're getting when you join someone's game, unreliable AI, your IP gets leaked to strangers constantly, game is more difficult to run, etc). Payday 3 changing to servers is a great thing. If you don't want improvements and just want to keep playing bad games, well Payday 2 is still there for you.
Payday 2's desync problems are literally solvable by doing what they've done with Payday 3's servers, but letting us host them ourselves if we choose. The only thing Deep Silver/Starbreeze should be hosting is a meta server so we can put our servers up for public joining. If I want to join a server by IP directly or have a friend join my game, I should be able to.

Always online is subject to the problem of popularity: Too popular and there aren't enough servers so no one can play (see today), not popular enough and the average quality/availability of servers goes down over time, and finally "not profitable anymore" where the devs/publisher pull the plug and the game literally becomes unplayable. This is anti-consumer design. Always online only benefits seamless connections of players in an MMO environment like with Destiny or other MMOs. Games where, ya know, you're supposed to group Massive amounts of players together in Multiplayer games Online with each other.

For all the other improvements Payday 3 has, the multiplayer being online only is a huge step backwards. Lag in solo player? Inability to create a private game instantly to host with friends? I might as well go back to PD2. At least it works. I don't want to go back, because I like the new gameplay changes, but if the difference is "play old game that I can host a game in" or "wait in queue and be rejected time after time while being in 10 minute queues", I'm not going to pretend PD3 is good. It's impossible, because I can't play the game to enjoy it.

Originally posted by GigglyBones:
I mean is that the same thing you did with cod when they had server issues? for 2 days and constantly after that
You're missing the point. This isn't potentially a launch day issue. This is potentially an every day issue if player numbers drop. And then it becomes an issue of waiting for the patties to arrive on a delivery truck that was never sent out. I paid for my Big Mac, McD's said to wait out front, but then the franchise closed down. But people defending always online are basically saying "Welp, dems da breaks!" when they should actually be outraged that they wasted $100.

Originally posted by GigglyBones:
Thats cause they have to shut the servers down to apply the update and you tell me i have zero knowledge of online gaming
Having done sysadmin work, I can tell you the difference very plainly:
When you have an always online game, you have regular maintenance downtimes of a few hours while servers are spun down, updated, brought back, and load tested before being released to the wild for customers to use. That requires a support crew, the actual servers (d'uh), and time paid during off hours when the devs may need to be online to fix issues with the latest patch if the server downtime reveals an issue. This means, inevitably, when the game is a few years on and no longer profitable, Deep Silver can force the servers to close, or Starbreeze may go under anyway and the servers will have to close. In either case, Payday 3 will disappear because you can't connect to a server anymore.

When you have privately hosted games, or games with P2P connections as per previous instalments, you have patch day... That's it. Your connection dictates how long you yourself are offline, but for someone like me who has a 1Gbps connection that could be under 5 minutes. I have a caching server on my spare box so the update is distributed instantly to all my computers. If I could self host a dedicated server, basically an equivalent 5 minute restart would be all I need to get my server up and running again. And if Starbreeze goes under? My server is still there and I can play whenever I want.
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Drew Chase Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:22pm 
I agree completely!!!!!!! Currently waiting in a singleplayer lobby for matchmaking
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CheekiBreeki Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:36pm 
Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:
The only mistake was whatever caused this server issue.

P.S.

Destiny 2
TOTAL PLAYED
166.6 hours

Warframe
TOTAL PLAYED
125.1 hours
luckily this guy is already wearing his clown costume.
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Captain Eierstock Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:37pm 
Yes, this shows how worthless the game at that moment is because you cant play offline. And people wonder why most of the people dont like this system
Last edited by Captain Eierstock; Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:37pm
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Where'sMySupersuit!! Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:44pm 
Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:
Big clown shoes have been filled.
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Picky Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:46pm 
Originally posted by Captain Eierstock:
Yes, this shows how worthless the game at that moment is because you cant play offline. And people wonder why most of the people dont like this system
They might reconsider it though, so it might be a good thing.
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Gamble8624 Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:46pm 
Terminally online people complaining about having to play online.
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Shiseru Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:54pm 
Originally posted by Picky:
They might reconsider it though, so it might be a good thing.
Hopefully down the line they will, they've removed Denuvo for instance; though I do think that it might not just be up to them.
Even if Starbreeze wants to change that, Deep Silver is likely to have a say in the matter and I doubt they'd want that to happen. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
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IRL-Hawkeye Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:54pm 
At least you guys can see the matchmaking screen. I can't even get past login due to the Nebula Data Error issue that's affecting a number of players.
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Captain Eierstock Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:54pm 
Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:
Originally posted by Captain Eierstock:

Uhh... really? Dude these games are made only for multiplayer... Payday1 and 2 and even 3 has the ability to play solo with bots. 3 Just made a stupid mistake with always online.
War Thunder has singleplayer missions that require you to be online to access.
I dont even get it why you came up with these games? This topic is about Payday 3 and not some other games that may also have a always online function. Besides that Warthunder is a main online free multiplayer game. You just ignore that payday 1 and 2 worked offline too. It dont make any sense to force you to be online in this case. Just name me one that make sense.
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GigglyBones Sep 21, 2023 @ 1:55pm 
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Tell me you have bad internet with out telling me you have bad internet
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Rando the Crit Clown Sep 21, 2023 @ 2:00pm 
Originally posted by Captain Eierstock:
Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:
War Thunder has singleplayer missions that require you to be online to access.
I dont even get it why you came up with these games? This topic is about Payday 3 and not some other games that may also have a always online function. Besides that Warthunder is a main online free multiplayer game. You just ignore that payday 1 and 2 worked offline too. It dont make any sense to force you to be online in this case. Just name me one that make sense.
Payday 2 has a huge cheating problem, a huge desync problem, and a ton of other problems stemming from some random person hosting the game (Host crash aborts mission, you never know what you're getting when you join someone's game, unreliable AI, your IP gets leaked to strangers constantly, game is more difficult to run, etc). Payday 3 changing to servers is a great thing. If you don't want improvements and just want to keep playing bad games, well Payday 2 is still there for you.
Last edited by Rando the Crit Clown; Sep 21, 2023 @ 2:02pm
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Shiseru Sep 21, 2023 @ 2:03pm 
Originally posted by GigglyBones:
Tell me you have bad internet with out telling me you have bad internet
So you're telling me all the people complaining about waiting for 30+minutes to find a game just have bad internet ? Brilliant.
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Don Vincenzoo 57 Sep 21, 2023 @ 2:04pm 
unable to play any heist no matter what . no solo nothing !!

no crime.net : GG
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InsideDev Sep 21, 2023 @ 2:06pm 
Originally posted by GigglyBones:
Tell me you have bad internet with out telling me you have bad internet
This literally has nothing to do with someone's internet connection. It's the fact that the matchmaking servers are currently down due to the game relying on Starbreeze's servers which unsurprisingly are down (I called it :D)
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ɐǝ⅄ Sep 21, 2023 @ 2:08pm 
Originally posted by Rando the Crit Clown:
The only mistake was whatever caused this server issue.

P.S.

Destiny 2
TOTAL PLAYED
166.6 hours

Warframe
TOTAL PLAYED
125.1 hours
They're MMOs so it's fine. Sure, they can be played solo to an extent but outside of certain locations and instances that only bring your squad/yourself, they use shared worlds so they kinda have to be online-only. The Tower would ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ suck if it was devoid of players and public events wouldn't work. Such games allowing offline play isn't feasible.

t. Played D2 since launch on several platforms for an unknown amount of hours.
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