Solo stealth is kinda frustrating

[Scream W*tch]

After completing it on OVK I can easily say that the open beta map is not for solo players. Yes, it is that annoying. However, the main issue is rewarding system. I don't care about devs' intentions, after going through it all alone just to lose half of the bags thanks to dye packs doesn't make any sense. You are literally punishing a player for being too good and I hate it. Do not force your players to interact with each other, this franchise already has a long history and people have been joining public lobbies with 0 encouragement since what a decade?

[Rya]

Overall, as solo player, You can do all but two bag in time. plus two that can be found in the lockbox.

[Katzh]

ehhh?
overdrill?
any mission with tons of bags to carry?
so many achievement require 4 player, AND do specific things, like wearing specific mask?
idk man, it's been there forever.

[Jokoff Schön]

The rewards for stealth in this beta map was horrible. considered the extra effort you need to put into it.

it is much faster to guns blacing, and only take the money in the room forgetting all about the deposits box's and just rush out.
9 mins on normal for 500-600K
when going loud again on a higher dificulty the reward didn't scale much compared the time needed.

[Katzh]

ah yes, and also there's always been a big reward difference between solo stealth difficulty / time investment in a mission, and going loud, quick and easy on lower difficulty and just repeat the heist.

sometimes it was better and more rewarding going stealth, sometimes loud.

[B〄F Altonator]

Originally posted by Katzh:

ehhh?
overdrill?
any mission with tons of bags to carry?
so many achievement require 4 player, AND do specific things, like wearing specific mask?
idk man, it's been there forever.

Not to mention a lot of maps benefit from coop play or even require it such as counterfeit with the c4 trap or big bank finding correct pc etc

[Pablo231]

Originally posted by B〄F Altonator:

Originally posted by Katzh:

ehhh?
overdrill?
any mission with tons of bags to carry?
so many achievement require 4 player, AND do specific things, like wearing specific mask?
idk man, it's been there forever.

Not to mention a lot of maps benefit from coop play or even require it such as counterfeit with the c4 trap or big bank finding correct pc etc

On counterfeit you can defuse all c4's but requares you to do it really fast and "team boosts" from bots like quicker interaction is really handy making you able to defuse all.

But yea big bank like big scam for solo.

And remember game is forcing to make you play in team of 4 for achievements where you all need special masks, weapon or weapons, reach goal like doing it under x minuts, not getting downed even once by cloaker. Ah my favorite you all need dlc to own mask or guns from it to be able to complete it.

[Al1X1RO]

Originally posted by Jokoff Schön:

The rewards for stealth in this beta map was horrible. considered the extra effort you need to put into it.

it is much faster to guns blacing, and only take the money in the room forgetting all about the deposits box's and just rush out.
9 mins on normal for 500-600K
when going loud again on a higher dificulty the reward didn't scale much compared the time needed.

The rewards are fine. Me and my friend went stealth on normal diff to learn everything and test fps. We ended up with roughly half a milion which is pretty much more than what would u get for the same diff in payday 2.

[Pablo231]

Beta was fun but at the end solo stealh was not funny at all to me just because of sometimes guards were able to see through safe door glass spotting manager that i leaved 1 time after like getting 6 bags of cash and getting greedy and still opening deposide boxes for extra. Obviously i was wearing medium armor soo i was slower than usuall.

At least i found a glitch where negiotation phase was endless soo i could escape with ez but i had to wait just to hack baricades second time because game was broken.

After all beta to me was boring they want really to make people just to play stealh giving them access just to run without masks but to do few things you have to mask up and now 3 of other members of payday gang have to do the rest because person with mask from that moment was for getting manager to vault where others can just almost without consecvences run around.

Lets just wait how it will grow but for me it is not worth it at least for solo

[Scream W*tch]

Originally posted by Katzh:

ehhh?
overdrill?
any mission with tons of bags to carry?
so many achievement require 4 player, AND do specific things, like wearing specific mask?
idk man, it's been there forever.

I don't care much about achievements since they are specific accomplishments rather than being rewards. I was hoping that they would make carrying bags easier in payday 3 especially for solo players. And I had been using a specific mod in payday 2 just to carry the loots from casino dlc

[็]

Personally, the stealth seems more engaging in PD3 compared to PD2, if you consider No Rest for the Wicked in the beta as the "main bank job" and compare it to Bank Heist in PD2, you actually have to stealth whereas in PD2 you could just rush in with 1 ECM placed down, kill everyone, and then twiddle your thumbs waiting on 4-6 minutes depending on if you had drill skills (I know this thread references solo stealth but at the end of the day, the game shouldn't be expected to be designed around solo play as it is marketed as a co-op game, being able to solo a heist should just be an option for a player looking to challenge themselves). So I dunno but I feel like having heists in which stealth is actively engaging and doesn't just boil down to spamming ECM's is a good change in my book.

[Shadowhawk]

I think its completely fair for a, primarily multiplayer, game to have 'some' achievements that aren't possible solo. I think a fair point that can be made is that, if memory serves, almost if not all achievements in PD2 that unlocked weapon attachments or even weapons, were completable solo. So, solo players were able to unlock essentially everything "gameplay related" without a team. Not being able to unlock multiplayer, completely cosmetic, masks while solo is kind of the tax of playing solo in a multiplayer game.

[Prinny]

Originally posted by Scream W*tch:

After completing it on OVK I can easily say that the open beta map is not for solo players. Yes, it is that annoying. However, the main issue is rewarding system. I don't care about devs' intentions, after going through it all alone just to lose half of the bags thanks to dye packs doesn't make any sense. You are literally punishing a player for being too good and I hate it. Do not force your players to interact with each other, this franchise already has a long history and people have been joining public lobbies with 0 encouragement since what a decade?

it's fine, you only lose two bags, someone managed to get them all with extreme timing, they just have to change it a bit, but honestly it's just two bags