No iron?

[CondorDrake]

Is it just me or aren't there any iron patches to mine anymore after the update?

[carriedactyl]

From the patch notes: "All natural Iron sources are now in the Underschool. Some iron can be mined before doing any battles."

[n3mes1s]

I wouldnt be surprised. Now you are going to be forced to unlock the underschool right away before you can even build a recreation thing. Didnt they say the goal was to make relaxed, even more relaxed? i seriously dont understand why they would remove iron patches from the surface? stone is still there right? . . .

[Philtre]

Originally posted by n3mes1s:

I wouldnt be surprised. Now you are going to be forced to unlock the underschool right away before you can even build a recreation thing. Didnt they say the goal was to make relaxed, even more relaxed? i seriously dont understand why they would remove iron patches from the surface? stone is still there right? . . .

The underschool now unlocks when you repel the fog for the first time, and the first anteroom (which you can enter immediately without a battle) has some iron. So you could have iron before your people even go up to the surface for the first time.

[CondorDrake]

Ahh okay, didn't see the patches down there, thanks.

Something else: Is there any info how medical beds work now? Whatever I'm trying it always says medical bed cannot be reached by anybody?

[Philtre]

Originally posted by CondorDrake:

Something else: Is there any info how medical beds work now? Whatever I'm trying it always says medical bed cannot be reached by anybody?

I've had no problems with the medical beds. That error message sounds like a pathing issue; make sure your people can get to the beds and that there is enough free space around them for the necessary attendants if you do a medical ritual.

[Othobrithol]

I had a similar issue. It turned out the reason was that the wall it was up against was too short/it had a low ceiling over the head of the bed. Even though it let me place it, the mages needed full vertical clearance of 4 tiles to access the bed.

[Dayrador]

Lava-Pig for iron
From wood

[n3mes1s]

I love how the devs made quilted miners almost useless. They were almost useless in the beginning, but now there is almost no single reason to use em since all iron you get is from crafting or from rewards from the underschool... lol. Most crystals you get from clearing the fog are always the same type, most of the times you are only going to get smokepearls from them. I miss so much the times when you could mine crystals and get random drops from them.. the game was amazing back then.

How cool would be if when we push the fog back, new stone outcrops and iron piles could appear so you can use miners to get em. Now that would be cool, but no we cant have cool things in this game.

Anyways, thanks devs, again, for breaking another gameplay mechanic. At this point who cares anymore...

[n3mes1s]

Originally posted by Philtre:

have iron before your people even go up to the surface for the first time.

And yet before all of this you could have iron even without unlocking the underschool, so you could build encantophones right away to increase conviction depending on your preferences. Now you are forced to do things in certain ways yes or yes to get some resources. Absurd in a game like this where we should be able to do things at own our pace. This game keeps losing its meaning by every update.

[Philtre]

Originally posted by n3mes1s:

Originally posted by Philtre:

have iron before your people even go up to the surface for the first time.

And yet before all of this you could have iron even without unlocking the underschool

The underschool now unlocks when you push the fog for the very first time, as I said in the exact post you quote, and the room that is revealed by doing so has iron. You can't get any resources at all until you push the fog to reveal the stairs up, so you can now first get iron at the same time as you can first get wood/stone/gutberries. Please explain how this "reduces your choices" vs having iron in the starting overworld area.

[trenjeska]

So the amount of Iron is now limited before you go fighting. It seems stone patches are also not respawning after reclearing the fog :( .
It better be enough for at least a cooking pot and a medical bed or 2.

[trenjeska]

Originally posted by Dayrador:

Lava-Pig for iron
From wood

EDIT: Gruel pot is 15 iron... So you really cannot without combat.

Was looking into that, but it requires 50 iron for the sty and that requires slop which requires another 10 iron for the cooking pot.
60 iron in total required and that is EXACTLY the amount you get from those entrance ores.
Bit annoying that you have to go exactly this research route and not spend a single iron on anything else. (which you may have done already if playing naturally)

[Aryath]

there are some low level fights in the underschool which are pretty easy and will grant access to more iron

so even if you spent some iron elsewhere, researching and building a Lavalina is not a problem

I started playing after the apprentice update, so I didn't know that there were iron patches in the overworld before, but from my experience the progression didn't feel 'wrong' or anything

[Philtre]

Originally posted by trenjeska:

60 iron in total required and that is EXACTLY the amount you get from those entrance ores.
Bit annoying that you have to go exactly this research route and not spend a single iron on anything else. (which you may have done already if playing naturally)

No. Use that starting iron to build a gruel pot and medical beds, etc. Then get iron from dungeon fights or pushing back fog to a sufficient distance (iron does spawn in the overworld, just further out than it used to) while you work on research. The pigsty is useful because it allows you to automate iron, but it's more of a mid-game thing. And you need the gruel pot to make slop for the pig (and the other high-end refining beasts) anyway, so you can't skip building it.

[Jilocasin]

Originally posted by Philtre:

Originally posted by trenjeska:

60 iron in total required and that is EXACTLY the amount you get from those entrance ores.
Bit annoying that you have to go exactly this research route and not spend a single iron on anything else. (which you may have done already if playing naturally)

No. Use that starting iron to build a gruel pot and medical beds, etc. Then get iron from dungeon fights or pushing back fog to a sufficient distance (iron does spawn in the overworld, just further out than it used to) while you work on research. The pigsty is useful because it allows you to automate iron, but it's more of a mid-game thing. And you need the gruel pot to make slop for the pig (and the other high-end refining beasts) anyway, so you can't skip building it.

Unless they chaget it with an update today, you are mistaken. Iron doesn't spawn in the overworld, no matter how far you push back the fog. In addition to medical beds, the gruel pot and the pig itself you don't want to skip the enchantophone