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Precious Dec 15, 2023 @ 9:14pm
Isolated plus Elevation room
Can someone explain to me how to do an isolated and elevated room? I'm trying to set my researcher up with his room but I can't seem to figure out how to get stairs or even a latter to it. I'm pretty sure it's so simple that I'm overthinking it.
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~Robin Dec 16, 2023 @ 7:42am 
Elevated means nothing underneath the room and isolated just one entrance
Build up from your foundation on either side
and then make a floor that goes further then your foundation slap a roof or a floor on top and just make the entrance to that room only from that side it branches off from
Eltoron Dec 16, 2023 @ 8:38am 
Originally posted by ~Robin:
Elevated means nothing underneath the room and isolated just one entrance
Build up from your foundation on either side
and then make a floor that goes further then your foundation slap a roof or a floor on top and just make the entrance to that room only from that side it branches off from
Are you sure? Because only one entrance is a "private". "Isolated" looks like no entrance at all.
Recine Dec 16, 2023 @ 9:42am 
Isolated = no entrance or all entrances are blocked.
Precious Dec 16, 2023 @ 10:04am 
It has me confused, it says Isolated, no path to another room. Even if you put it on the side of your school and no other rooms below or under, there still has to be a connection to another room. I would love a screenshot if someone has been able to make one. Nevermind! I just saw in the tutorial that you have to lock your mage in, lol...
Last edited by Precious; Dec 16, 2023 @ 12:00pm
ulzgoroth Dec 16, 2023 @ 1:07pm 
Originally posted by Preciousdio:
It has me confused, it says Isolated, no path to another room. Even if you put it on the side of your school and no other rooms below or under, there still has to be a connection to another room. I would love a screenshot if someone has been able to make one. Nevermind! I just saw in the tutorial that you have to lock your mage in, lol...
Isolated is easy: destroy the door or stairs that provide access. Presumably while the intended user of the room is inside it.

I'm not sure how you're intended to use this...presumably you have to let them out eventually. Unless you're locking the ghost teacher in.
VulpineVandal Dec 16, 2023 @ 4:48pm 
Originally posted by ulzgoroth:
Originally posted by Preciousdio:
It has me confused, it says Isolated, no path to another room. Even if you put it on the side of your school and no other rooms below or under, there still has to be a connection to another room. I would love a screenshot if someone has been able to make one. Nevermind! I just saw in the tutorial that you have to lock your mage in, lol...
Isolated is easy: destroy the door or stairs that provide access. Presumably while the intended user of the room is inside it.

I'm not sure how you're intended to use this...presumably you have to let them out eventually. Unless you're locking the ghost teacher in.

You basically have the right of it. build the room and destroy the entry point with the occupant inside. Ideally the occupant is a ghost with a really good lightning wand. (Theres a reason the hermitage doesnt include a bed after all.)
Lansuven Dec 16, 2023 @ 6:07pm 
Originally posted by VulpineVandal:
Originally posted by ulzgoroth:
Isolated is easy: destroy the door or stairs that provide access. Presumably while the intended user of the room is inside it.

I'm not sure how you're intended to use this...presumably you have to let them out eventually. Unless you're locking the ghost teacher in.

You basically have the right of it. build the room and destroy the entry point with the occupant inside. Ideally the occupant is a ghost with a really good lightning wand. (Theres a reason the hermitage doesnt include a bed after all.)

The ghost has level 1 in all skills though. If the research rate scales evenly with skill (if a level 2 skill is twice as fast at researching) then by the math, it is pointless to throw him in there instead of just sticking your highest lightning in a tower, right? I'm just assuming the research scales that way, I could totally be wrong. I remember reading in another thread someone had suggested something along the lines of a teleporter at some point?
ulzgoroth Dec 16, 2023 @ 6:45pm 
The founder's ghost walled in a hermitage might not be the most productive researcher, but might be the most productive occupation for the ghost eventually.

Alternately, it's not like the occupant can't let themselves out by building a 'hallway' whenever they need to leave.

Or if their conviction is really ironclad you could leave them in there for days with a box of food. They'd have to sleep on the floor and eat without a table, but those things are possible.

(And you are allowed to put recreation inside the hermitage.)
Eltoron Dec 16, 2023 @ 7:45pm 
Originally posted by Lansuven:
The ghost has level 1 in all skills though. If the research rate scales evenly with skill (if a level 2 skill is twice as fast at researching) then by the math, it is pointless to throw him in there instead of just sticking your highest lightning in a tower, right? I'm just assuming the research scales that way, I could totally be wrong. I remember reading in another thread someone had suggested something along the lines of a teleporter at some point?
You are right exept the ghost spend no time to sleep, eat and recreate. So he is not that bad it reality.
curtis.moran Feb 23, 2024 @ 11:36pm 
isolated to me is a useless venture because... using the ghost in a hermatage v using anyone to use a mage tower is way better of an option.
Ivydoom Feb 24, 2024 @ 2:15am 
Think in 'and' instead of 'or'
The ghost becomes more and more useless as the game goes on because of the low skillset, and also cannot go into combat. Might as well lock him in the hermitage for steady research progression and have your best lightning mage and a mage tower as back up. This mage might have a decent secondary skill to perform other important tasks before researching and will perfrom them faster.
Also, research is finite. You can go through the trouble of keeping your lightning mage happy while isolated, finish research that much faster, and you're done. I do appreciate the feeling players might get of getting it all done asap and getting the best items.

I wonder, what do people use the ghost for in the later stages? Because the only tasks that aren't hindered by his low skill can be done by quilted and students.
Jay Feb 24, 2024 @ 3:01am 
Originally posted by Ivydoom:
Think in 'and' instead of 'or'
I wonder, what do people use the ghost for in the later stages? Because the only tasks that aren't hindered by his low skill can be done by quilted and students.

One space where it doesn't seem to have any disadvantage over most staff is rituals, such as summoning low-grade students for basic scrolls.

In my headcanon, I should retain him as a matter of honour and tradition. Keeping the ghost around to see the success we make of their once-doomed school, and to tell horror stories to those new students.
JeanDeaux Feb 24, 2024 @ 6:08am 
Here's a visual example, see 1st floor far left side as an example.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3167296597
n3mes1s Feb 24, 2024 @ 10:05am 
Dont bother with any room with isolated requirement (aka mage's hermitage). Its stupid, unnecessary and not worthy all the problems and trouble its going to cause you. Until the devs fix this up, mage's hermitage is a completely pointless room. The devs probably designed it with teleport in mind, but as they said they still need to implement "fast travel" so we will see. Unfortunately i dont think that they are going to implement any kind of teleport, just a way to walk faster... or something like that. So in the end this room will be still completely avoidable.
n3mes1s Feb 24, 2024 @ 10:08am 
Originally posted by curtis.moran:
isolated to me is a useless venture because... using the ghost in a hermatage v using anyone to use a mage tower is way better of an option.

Stop saying this nonsense. The room is designed to take advantaje of your high tier researchers. If you are going to put the ghost inside, why bother?????? your research speed is not going to be higher than just the inferior version of the room with a tier II lightning mage LOL or even tier I !!!. People still keep missing the point. By the time you build the room, you just dont want to waste it, you dont want to put the ghost inside, for god's sake... thats dumb.
Last edited by n3mes1s; Feb 24, 2024 @ 10:10am
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