Barrier enemies?

[RaptorSolutions]

Do you basically deal with them like you're using range or magic except now you're using summons as ammo? Or do you get access to something that lets you directly deal barrier damage?

[droplet]

when you're fighting barrier enemies, the barrier is an extra health bar that only your summons can damage, once the barrier health reaches zero you can damage the enemy normally with any combat style

there's a couple of items that let you deal barrier damage directly but it's better to use items which buff your summoning familiar's damage

[RaptorSolutions]

I see. Mainly asking for ancient relic mode because reading the wiki guide it asks for a whole bunch of ♥♥♥♥ I cannot access yet, and I'm kinda stuck at level 60 combat skills with only barrier dungeons and god dungeons next.
So I guess I'll just go get a bunch of the level 1 summons since I can easily spam those and then clear the barrier dungeons and see what happens. It'll be a little easier I hope when I can start using some of these ancient gear.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Its not that bad as it looks. Especialy early dungeons are joke, not very dangerous enemies so you can easily idle them with trash summons, even if it takes abit of time cuz enemies regen barrier. Get (lesser) barrier gem from archeology and lesser summoning amulet and you can beat first 4 without problems, no need to farm them. I delayed them for too long just to find out i can complete all 4 under hour... Big boist in relic mode.

Underwater city is the only one where you need some preparation.

[O皿O]

If you only aim to clear it once, it's fine not to use Cartography or Archaeology in the Ancient Relics mode. I once cleared the underwater city using the unupgraded Earth God set + Tide Blade, Dragon + Unicorn, slowly grinding through. Summoning and having all five relics provides enough damage.
Other instances are even simpler; basically, you can clear them easily with casual attempts.

[O皿O]

Publicado originalmente por O皿O:

If you only aim to clear it once, it's fine not to use Cartography or Archaeology in the Ancient Relics mode. I once cleared the underwater city using the unupgraded Earth God set + Tide Blade, Dragon + Unicorn, slowly grinding through. Summoning and having all five relics provides enough damage.
Other instances are even simpler; basically, you can clear them easily with casual attempts.

I revisited the relic effects and only need to summon relics 2 and 4.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Publicado originalmente por O皿O:

Publicado originalmente por O皿O:

If you only aim to clear it once, it's fine not to use Cartography or Archaeology in the Ancient Relics mode. I once cleared the underwater city using the unupgraded Earth God set + Tide Blade, Dragon + Unicorn, slowly grinding through. Summoning and having all five relics provides enough damage.
Other instances are even simpler; basically, you can clear them easily with casual attempts.

I revisited the relic effects and only need to summon relics 2 and 4.

I have only relic 3 and i cleared it in gear from gods dungeon (infernal claw, cloudburst staff and ancient xbow). And that relic is basicaly +15 crafted tablets, so you dont need any relic. Tortoise + Dragon on all 3 sets.

[O皿O]

Publicado originalmente por Dwane Dibbley:

Publicado originalmente por O皿O:

I revisited the relic effects and only need to summon relics 2 and 4.

I have only relic 3 and i cleared it in gear from gods dungeon (infernal claw, cloudburst staff and ancient xbow). And that relic is basicaly +15 crafted tablets, so you dont need any relic. Tortoise + Dragon on all 3 sets.

Is that so? When I first cleared the underwater city, it took me 40 minutes. I think it's very difficult to attempt it without barrier equipment or summoning relics.

[O皿O]

Publicado originalmente por Dwane Dibbley:

Publicado originalmente por O皿O:

I revisited the relic effects and only need to summon relics 2 and 4.

I have only relic 3 and i cleared it in gear from gods dungeon (infernal claw, cloudburst staff and ancient xbow). And that relic is basicaly +15 crafted tablets, so you dont need any relic. Tortoise + Dragon on all 3 sets.

Actually, the turtle summon in relic mode isn't very useful... the yield is too low, so you have to spend a lot of time to get just a little bit.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Publicado originalmente por O皿O:

Publicado originalmente por Dwane Dibbley:

I have only relic 3 and i cleared it in gear from gods dungeon (infernal claw, cloudburst staff and ancient xbow). And that relic is basicaly +15 crafted tablets, so you dont need any relic. Tortoise + Dragon on all 3 sets.

Is that so? When I first cleared the underwater city, it took me 40 minutes. I think it's very difficult to attempt it without barrier equipment or summoning relics.

Turtle boosts barrier damage and Turtle/Dragon barrier burn synergy feels like cheesing.

[RaptorSolutions]

Honestly I'll probably be using Goblin or whatever the 1st one is called since my summoning is level 1. It'll be the first barrier dungeon, unless there is somewhere I can farm before then for stuff.

[Dwane Dibbley]

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Honestly I'll probably be using Goblin or whatever the 1st one is called since my summoning is level 1. It'll be the first barrier dungeon, unless there is somewhere I can farm before then for stuff.

Well, you can complete first 2(?) dungeons with just goblin, but later dungeon monsters has strong barrier regeneration so you will need some minimum damage and thus lvling up summoning. But i would start with Blind Ghost (eye Cave in combat area). Its pretty weak and you can get neckle and gem pretty fast, which will help you with barrier dungeons.

[RaptorSolutions]

Publicado originalmente por Dwane Dibbley:

Publicado originalmente por RaptorSolutions:

Honestly I'll probably be using Goblin or whatever the 1st one is called since my summoning is level 1. It'll be the first barrier dungeon, unless there is somewhere I can farm before then for stuff.

Well, you can complete first 2(?) dungeons with just goblin, but later dungeon monsters has strong barrier regeneration so you will need some minimum damage and thus lvling up summoning. But i would start with Blind Ghost (eye Cave in combat area). Its pretty weak and you can get neckle and gem pretty fast, which will help you with barrier dungeons.

Thanks for the tip. Ancient Relic is kinda a pain in the ass after the easy just afk of the previous modes. The power you can get from relics is nice at least.
Also I've been neglecting cartography and archaeology so far, guess it's time to actually throw some level ups on them?

[Dwane Dibbley]

Publicado originalmente por RaptorSolutions:

Publicado originalmente por Dwane Dibbley:

Well, you can complete first 2(?) dungeons with just goblin, but later dungeon monsters has strong barrier regeneration so you will need some minimum damage and thus lvling up summoning. But i would start with Blind Ghost (eye Cave in combat area). Its pretty weak and you can get neckle and gem pretty fast, which will help you with barrier dungeons.

Thanks for the tip. Ancient Relic is kinda a pain in the ass after the easy just afk of the previous modes. The power you can get from relics is nice at least.
Also I've been neglecting cartography and archaeology so far, guess it's time to actually throw some level ups on them?

Cartography is good for active buffs, but it requires some time as certain buffs need pretty high skill, i would go for lvl35 for 17,14 that provides +2% auto eat treshold which might sometime helps you to safe idle (and like 40 amulets for FEZ). Theres also quite few lvl35 tiles with 1m gold rewards. And lvl35 unlocks pirate treasure which unlock tile with 5m gold and elite neckles of strenght, ranged and magic.
Archeology has some interesting items, i would go atleast for accuracy gem that need just lvl 12.

[RaptorSolutions]

Publicado originalmente por Dwane Dibbley:

Publicado originalmente por RaptorSolutions:

Thanks for the tip. Ancient Relic is kinda a pain in the ass after the easy just afk of the previous modes. The power you can get from relics is nice at least.
Also I've been neglecting cartography and archaeology so far, guess it's time to actually throw some level ups on them?

Cartography is good for active buffs, but it requires some time as certain buffs need pretty high skill, i would go for lvl35 for 17,14 that provides +2% auto eat treshold which might sometime helps you to safe idle (and like 40 amulets for FEZ). Theres also quite few lvl35 tiles with 1m gold rewards. And lvl35 unlocks pirate treasure which unlock tile with 5m gold and elite neckles of strenght, ranged and magic.
Archeology has some interesting items, i would go atleast for accuracy gem that need just lvl 12.

I see. Thanks. If I pickup some level ups for those I'll aim for those thresholds.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Publicado originalmente por RaptorSolutions:

Publicado originalmente por Dwane Dibbley:

Cartography is good for active buffs, but it requires some time as certain buffs need pretty high skill, i would go for lvl35 for 17,14 that provides +2% auto eat treshold which might sometime helps you to safe idle (and like 40 amulets for FEZ). Theres also quite few lvl35 tiles with 1m gold rewards. And lvl35 unlocks pirate treasure which unlock tile with 5m gold and elite neckles of strenght, ranged and magic.
Archeology has some interesting items, i would go atleast for accuracy gem that need just lvl 12.

I see. Thanks. If I pickup some level ups for those I'll aim for those thresholds.

Its still just optional, cartography/archeology shouldnt be your unlocking priority so pick it only if you have no better choices.