Monthly reminder that we never received true Offline mode like promised.

[Nettu]

You still need an internet connection to play a complete singleplayer game.

[Nettu]

Originally posted by Hunu:

Originally posted by Pandorian:

Not OP but this is what I was given in their post last month by someone else.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1267910/discussions/0/4737210531943251900/

Okay, I don't want to reignite the debate that already existed in that thread, but it's misleading to say the mode was promised.

"Currently you still need an internet connection to load the game, but once it is loaded into a character you don't need internet connection.

The Offline Client is in progress and is due for release soon!"

Is the quote from "Malcs".

It definitely says they planned to release it, but it definitely doesn't promise it.

Have they addressed the issue since? I mean that thread is from 2021, is it not clear yet that it's not coming? lol. (Happy to be proven wrong if it manifests.)

I guess we have different opinions on how to interpret the meaning of said things. Not that i have a source for it right now, but Malcs stated on other occasions how the online aspect only was temporarily necessary for hotfixes until the game reached out of beta, and thus would be removed later. Making the offline client sort of the intended package once the game finishes, and not the other way around.

Not a word since. And I'd say we'll never get it, since i've voiced this on numerous occasions both here and in their discord, only to be silenced by the crowd. The maker himself surely must know that a certain number of individuals aren't happy with this what i would call a straight up lie in the face. Since i wouldn't bother buying this game if i knew the result.
And i strongly suspect that this change came with the Jagex partnership, and therefore their policies and DRM schemes have been pushed onto the game.

[Pandorian]

I got curious and decided to collect when Malcs mentioned the Offline Client in Discord. I can definitely see where people could get the impression that it was promised but I couldn't actually find anywhere he came out and said that it would happen.

Yeah offline is planned, but not until full release unfortunately. -Malcs December 16, 2020 (Discord)

Offline mode is something that is being considered, but only when the game is fully released -Malcs December 29, 2020 (Discord)

SECTION 1 SUGGESTIONS THAT WILL OR MAY HAPPEN (Not 100% Confirmed)
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9) Offline/Standalone version of the game
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-Malcs February 15, 2021 (Discord) Last Edit: September 1, 2023

--shortened for brevity

This is the 3rd server issue in 2021 though, so I might start looking at alternatives ... Although the steam client is getting its offline soon -Malcs May 6, 2021 (Discord)

-- One comment in between the two messages that is unrelated

I also agree, and its a slow work in progress.

Steam is getting it's offline client soon, so Mobile should come after that
-Malcs July 1, 2021 (Discord)

what is true offline mode? [not requiring any internet connection, since i frequently dont have one.]

oh that kind of offline

not[sic] ETA on that

-Malcs September 29, 2021 (Discord)

--In 3 message conversation, relevant parts shown in []

No mentions past this point however I do note that the Suggestions list still has the offline client listed and was edited at the beginning of last month. For those of you wondering, Jagex publisher was announced October 21, 2021.

Further quotes:

IT doesn't have an offline mode right now -StrawHat April 26, 2022

For those of you quoting me. I don't really have a horse in this game so I'm not going to be defending/attacking this position. I have a stable internet connection but I am sympathetic to those who don't or have other concerns. I understand where they are coming from but that is best off for them to argue the case.

[Hunu]

It does seem like the developers would like this to quietly go away after strongly hinting on a number of occasions (including to potential customers presumably) that something like that was on the way.

On the other hand, I think if I had decided I wouldn't buy a game with always online DRM, I would wait until the offline mode had been implemented.

I also have no skin in this argument since the always online thing isn't a problem for me, but I do support people who want that, and I do see how dumb it is not to get rid of the DRM after a) saying you planned to, and b) after the game is already cracked. DRM only punished legit players.

[TrinitySeven]

Zero arguments involved. You state there was other than promises? If someone made the statement that they would do something HOWEVER it was said THEN their word should be good enough. You think they have to pinky swear or something to make it legit? Well figures people would be like that on such basic issues. The BASICS are that DRM is almost ALWAYS a horrid idea for the consumer...so unless you are a business owner then you arguing NEUTRAL or FOR said practise just shows an utter case of pure ignorance of a high degree. You can foist your beLIEfs all you wish, yet you are up against knowledge, and I am pretty sure you realise how that goes, thus the silence! Also at the very least Malcs should surely come and explain why the change in plans, or even better yet PUT in place some understanding that the offline WILL at some point be available like was originally stated. I get it PEOPLE are allowed to change their minds, or make different plans, EVEN WHEN PROMISED...yet to be silent on the issue when PEOPLE DID make purchases based on what the original plan was is pretty disingenius/underhanded! Yes probably jagex in their business like greed are at least partially responsible for encouraging such lies...corporations (dead bodies) often do such against real life human beings! Remember who will still be around after they are all gone though, have a good one all!

[Ann☆ﾟ.*･｡]

this is funny. you get this game through steam, which requires 'internet'
you get steam through 'internet'
you know about this game through 'internet' and probably not mouth-to-mouth
and now you'd wish to undo it to offline?
you probably should invest in melvor idle CD version and install like you're back in year 2000 with serial key at the back of the product.

Originally posted by Rabin:

Originally posted by Ann☆ﾟ.*･｡:

if you can still reply this forum that means internet should never been an issue to begin with.

This just shows how unaware you are of the eventual consequences of online DRM. Say if something happens and the developer is either unable or unwilling to keep the servers up for any reason, financially or if he dies. Guess what happens then? Your game goes bye bye.

Does it really feel that fun to be solely dependent on a single person, so that you can even boot the game you paid for? Which by the way has no multiplayer aspects at all, entirely singleplayer. Always online makes no sense at all.

then why are you buying this game in the first place if you are looking for offline gameplay? do you not look at system requirement Network: requires broadband connection?

[Hunu]

Originally posted by Ann☆ﾟ.*･｡:

this is funny. you get this game through steam, which requires 'internet'
you get steam through 'internet'
you know about this game through 'internet' and probably not mouth-to-mouth
and now you'd wish to undo it to offline?
you probably should invest in melvor idle CD version and install like you're back in year 2000 with serial key at the back of the product.

What's funny is how you can't see a situation beyond your own.

As unlikely as it may seem to you, a reasonable number of people don't have access to the internet at all times. Good example might be someone in a country at war, or from a developing nation. Could be someone with a bad home life and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ parents who give them internet only an hour a week or some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.. I could keep coming up with perfectly legit reasons that people might not have access at all times.

I won't even dignify the "you know about this game through 'internet'" bit with a response...

You mock about the CD key thing, but I like many people would be totally okay with that... It's not the inconvenience or thing worthy of mockery that you believe it is. Plenty of games I bought that had CD-keys also had some online part of the game and patches/updates to the game.

And if I had my game on a CD, and it didn't require internet to play, when Steam goes offline forever, or the developer decides to stop selling their game, or dies, or other reasons mentioned in this thread that you ignored (why am I wasting my breathe!!!) I will still have access to the game I paid for.

You realise you're arguing FOR a system where you can't sell your games when you have no interest in playing them anymore. Or when the server that has the games or authenticates stops being available, so does your game/content. No offence, but you're basically the enemy, maybe not intentionally, but perhaps through ignorance you are licking the capitalist boot and calling it dandy.

[Nettu]

Originally posted by Ann☆ﾟ.*･｡:

this is funny. you get this game through steam, which requires 'internet'
you get steam through 'internet'
you know about this game through 'internet' and probably not mouth-to-mouth
and now you'd wish to undo it to offline?
you probably should invest in melvor idle CD version and install like you're back in year 2000 with serial key at the back of the product.

Originally posted by Rabin:

This just shows how unaware you are of the eventual consequences of online DRM. Say if something happens and the developer is either unable or unwilling to keep the servers up for any reason, financially or if he dies. Guess what happens then? Your game goes bye bye.

Does it really feel that fun to be solely dependent on a single person, so that you can even boot the game you paid for? Which by the way has no multiplayer aspects at all, entirely singleplayer. Always online makes no sense at all.

then why are you buying this game in the first place if you are looking for offline gameplay? do you not look at system requirement Network: requires broadband connection?

If you still haven't figured out that this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with not having an internet connection, i believe it's a futile exercise to keep explaining the reason to you..

I bought it in good faith that the developer would keep his word and take away the online requirement once the game launches, like he stated himself. I recognize now that i shouldn't have trusted that though. I think i recognize you from the Discord server, striked me as pretty odd individual who defends the position of always online on a singleplayer game until the last breath?

[Nettu]

Originally posted by Hunu:

It does seem like the developers would like this to quietly go away after strongly hinting on a number of occasions (including to potential customers presumably) that something like that was on the way.

On the other hand, I think if I had decided I wouldn't buy a game with always online DRM, I would wait until the offline mode had been implemented.

I also have no skin in this argument since the always online thing isn't a problem for me, but I do support people who want that, and I do see how dumb it is not to get rid of the DRM after a) saying you planned to, and b) after the game is already cracked. DRM only punished legit players.

It certainly seems so. I however will not take part in that silence, and will keep shining light on this shady behavior that so many gaming companies and even standalone devs like this one practice.

[TrinitySeven]

Originally posted by Rabin:

Originally posted by Ann☆ﾟ.*･｡:

this is funny. you get this game through steam, which requires 'internet'
you get steam through 'internet'
you know about this game through 'internet' and probably not mouth-to-mouth
and now you'd wish to undo it to offline?
you probably should invest in melvor idle CD version and install like you're back in year 2000 with serial key at the back of the product.



then why are you buying this game in the first place if you are looking for offline gameplay? do you not look at system requirement Network: requires broadband connection?

If you still haven't figured out that this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with not having an internet connection, i believe it's a futile exercise to keep explaining the reason to you..

I bought it in good faith that the developer would keep his word and take away the online requirement once the game launches, like he stated himself. I recognize now that i shouldn't have trusted that though. I think i recognize you from the Discord server, striked me as pretty odd individual who defends the position of always online on a singleplayer game until the last breath?

Yes, seems an utterly brain-less one who would straw-man such a basic simple understanding which every consumer SHOULD study if they are IGNORANT about DRM. This one is well aware they are straw-manning, either that or they are just too tiny to grasp even the basics of the conversation at this point. You are probably correct about them being in the discord spamming the same inane ramblings about their confusion (intentional or accidental it makes little difference). Yes, explaining 2-3x the core issue is something I would avoid also, they will just keep spouting more ignorant/inane non-issues to try and side-line the discussion.

[Dex]

The only reason I want a true offline mode is because as soon as I loaded up this SINGLE PLAYER game I was met with a "buy merchandise" pop-up, a LOG IN SCREEN, and an entire left side of the screen that was trying to sell me even more ♥♥♥♥ with links to the store. I didn't realize Runescapes ♥♥♥♥♥♥ monetization was going to be part of the game as well.

Refunding.

[Nettu]

Originally posted by Dex:

The only reason I want a true offline mode is because as soon as I loaded up this SINGLE PLAYER game I was met with a "buy merchandise" pop-up, a LOG IN SCREEN, and an entire left side of the screen that was trying to sell me even more ♥♥♥♥ with links to the store. I didn't realize Runescapes ♥♥♥♥♥♥ monetization was going to be part of the game as well.

Refunding.

Good point. We all have our reasons to not like online only DRM, that is there for no reason at all.