Food / Cooking

[JustATextBox]

Maybe it's just me, but some of the food/cooking options seem a little.. unbalanced / not well thought out

Taking a look at the Beef Pie for example - it requires 1 raw beef, and 1 bag of flour. Raw beef is incredibly easy to collect, from the very start of the game. And flour is an incredibly cheap item to purchase in the shop. It only requires 17 cooking, as well as a furnace (15 FMing, 15 smithing and some logs/bars as a 1 time unlock). For this, you get 240/2400 healing.

Then you have something like the Meat Pizza Slice. This requires 2 tomatoes, 2 raw beef, 1 bag of flour, and 1 cheese. So you're looking at double the Beef Pie in terms of raw beef + in terms of shop materials (1 flour vs 1 flour + 1 cheese) as well as needing 2 tomatoes. Tomatoes only being obtainable with either farming or as a very rare drop from thieving. It requires 25 cooking, as well as the furnace that the beef pie required. For this, you get 8 slices of pizza, that heal for 32/320 each. For a total of either 256/2560.

For higher requirements, plus needing an extra skill (thieving or farming), plus needing double the requirements.. you get 16/160 more healing. How does this make sense?

I can't think of any real reason that you'd ever want to craft the meat pizza slice instead of the beef pie, if you take gathering resource into account then there's no situation in which the meat pizza slice would be better health/hour or even better XP/hr. Actually, tomatoes are perfectly usable as food by themselves, giving 13/130 each.

Beef pie = 240/2400 + 2 tomatoes at 13/130 each is 100 more healing than the meat pizza slices would be.

The beef pie just seems insane value. It sort of loses out to some of the higher recipes, like whales, manta rays or carrot cakes.. but those have much higher requirements in both cooking and fishing/farming/thieving

[Truth_X_ile]

Variety, but yeah, you're right, lots of balance changes are needed for cooking, we'll see what happens as the game is updated in the future

[Misery1ndex]

Yeah, the food in this game doesnt make any sense. like almost every recipe is useless. Use Beef Pie to heal up until 85 when you can get Manta Rays, then use those until you get whales. so 17 then 85, then 95. Thats a massive gap without having any food better than beef pie.

[Kryptos]

Farming isn't something you should be ignoring if you are. You can level it up alongside whatever you are actively training.

I wouldn't even put it as a con in the list of things Pizza has going for it.

"Beef pie = 240/2400 + 2 tomatoes at 13/130 each is 100 more healing than the meat pizza slices would be."

Yeah, but then you have 2 different foods, what if you are in a dungeon? You will need To have 90 cooking AND spend 85m to switch to your precious scale tilting tomatoes.

You may as well just use Pizza as it can be used without the need for expensive store upgrades.

[JustATextBox]

Originally posted by Kryptos:

Farming isn't something you should be ignoring if you are. You can level it up alongside whatever you are actively training.

I wouldn't even put it as a con in the list of things Pizza has going for it.

"Beef pie = 240/2400 + 2 tomatoes at 13/130 each is 100 more healing than the meat pizza slices would be."

Yeah, but then you have 2 different foods, what if you are in a dungeon? You will need To have 90 cooking AND spend 85m to switch to your precious scale tilting tomatoes.

You may as well just use Pizza as it can be used without the need for expensive store upgrades.

My post is like almost a year old so I don't remember every little detail but I definitely wasn't ignoring farming

My point was just that at *best* the meat pizza slice is the tiniest little upgrade ever over a beef pie. And that's in the singular situation you described - within a dungeon. The second you leave the dungeon, the beef pie is better again

Yet for being just a tiny upgrade, you have to utilize an entire extra skill - farming. You also have to actually get the seeds in the first place, which means either killing more enemies or thieving which is yet another skill being used.

You would think for all of this extra work you'd be rewarded with something substantial, ya know?

Compare bread with chicken, the first two unlocks within cooking. Bread only requires gold to buy the flour, and then it heals you for either 30 or 33.

Chicken on the other hand requires.. well, chicken. This means you're now having to do combat before being able to gain any, but look at the healing difference. Instead of 30/33 you're getting 90/99. It's literally triple the healing, but most certainly requires more time investment

I think bread vs chicken is perfectly fine, one has essentially no time investment but isn't very good whereas the other has a time investment and is noticeably better.

Now if we go back to the pie vs pizza situation.. they both seem like they should be early game food. They require beef, which only drops from 1 very low level monster. My math could be wrong here, but from what I see..

At minimum, it's going to take you ~5.2 seconds per cow kill. This is assuming you 1 shot the cow, and have a weapon with a 2.2 attack speed. It's very possible you won't 1 shot it early on, but let's leave that factor out of the equation.

To cook either item, it takes at *minimum* 13.2 seconds.

You get ~3 beef per cow kill on average, so let's try to make.. 10 of each item.

To cook 10 beef pies, it takes on average ~100.8 seconds. This gives you 2,400 healing.

To cook 10 meat pizzas, it takes on average ~116.4 seconds. This gives you 2,560 healing.

The 10 beef pies are ~23.809 healing per second invested.

The 10 meat pizzas are ~21.993 healing per second invested.

Maybe if we scale it to like.. 10000 it'll become more fair?

To cook 10k beef pies, it takes on average ~97,336.8 seconds. This gives you 2,400,000 healing.

To cook 10k meat pizzas, it takes on average ~114,668.4 seconds. This gives you 2,560,000 healing.

The 10k beef pies are ~24.65 healing per second invested.

The 10k meat pizzas are ~22.32 healing per second invested.

The meat pizzas are just worse in the long term. That's really all there is to it, unless my quick maths is off, which it could be