I'm sorry, but I have to refund this...

[Dopey Shepard]

First of all, I do support honest developers, and while this game was in fact quite appealing, and even showed promises with a high number of players and engagement on discussions I personally was quite left out of all of it

Why? Because the damn thing just wouldn't work on my system at ALL.

My specs: Windows 7 Max, i53470, RX 588. I have no clue how this game of ALL idle free games on steam just wouldn't work. I have no issues whatsoever running any other game here on steam. This thing starts and then just automatically minimizes itself and still runs in my background eating up 25% of my CPU, so I have to shut it down through task manager, I can't play it at all. At other times it doesn't even start at all, it just shuts down by itself instantly when I click "Play"

Seriously, what is this? I have tried everything I could, I turned off steam overlay, disabled AMD radeon relive, turned off skype, poweriso, utorrent, even my MSI afterburner, restarted my PC a whole bunch of times, moved the game to different HDD, it simply won't work, like, ever

The only way I can possibly play this game is to play through a Melvor Idle.exe in steam folder itself, that thing runs PERFECTLY fine, doesn't even drop any frames, nor does it shut itself down and work in background, or not start at all. No issues there

So that's basically it. I was able to get the game, and now I still have the folder, with that said .exe file, and I can still play the game even though I refunded

I understand some people will be disappointed with such a decision but what was I supposed to do? I felt like a neutered dog, because my playtime doesn't accumulate, I trigger no achievements etc.


So yeah, I'll maybe actually buy this when the issue is resolved, cuz I don't want to spend money to feel castrated and getting an inferior product to everyone else


p.s. game is quite weird though. I literally just fished for days, got myself millions of gold, and now I don't even know what to do, really. Is there no "abdication/reset/reincarnation" system at all? Because it feels like, this, being an idle game, is just way too short for you to actually max out everything and you don't even need everythign in this game when fishing is already so damn OP

Just.... maybe make leveling a bit slower? Cuz I literally got to lvl 90 in fishing quite fast, in like 48-72 hours. By idle game standards it's just way too fast, and progressions and fish selling prices were getting increased like crazy

If anyone played Anti-Idle on KG, you would know "fishing" system from there. It's quite long to get max mastery and all that and getting every single Rank (max 50 or 60) felt like an actual achievement. In here you don't really feel anything, you start fishing a new fish, with mastery 1, come back after a couple of hours, and it's already like 50, and gets no junk at all. You don't really feel the accomplishment, but maybe that's just me

[ahaah202]

You could try playing on the website instead of steam. Only just started, feel the same about fishing. Combat/slayer might be better, at least there's some risk involved

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by ahaah202:

You could try playing on the website instead of steam. Only just started, feel the same about fishing. Combat/slayer might be better, at least there's some risk involved

i mean, I have it as .exe on steam, don't want to play idle games in browser, forget it, you have to play them on a separate tab so that they play at full speed, and they arguably slow down your system more and take more out of your CPU in browser, so I'm happy to see lots of these idles on steam

However, with this being the only payable idle I was interested in....not having the ability to run it through steam was heart-breaking

[Malcs]

I'm sorry this happened to you. I'll do what I can to resolve issues like this.

Honestly, just playing the game if it works is perfectly fine by me, even if you refunded.

In regards to progression - Just note that Level 92 is halfway to level 99 in terms of XP. Yeah you got to level 90 in 3 days, but you're not halfway there yet and there is 20 skills in the game (With 4 more to come).

[Dopey Shepard]

Originally posted by Malcs:

I'm sorry this happened to you. I'll do what I can to resolve issues like this.

Honestly, just playing the game if it works is perfectly fine by me, even if you refunded.

In regards to progression - Just note that Level 92 is halfway to level 99 in terms of XP. Yeah you got to level 90 in 3 days, but you're not halfway there yet and there is 20 skills in the game (With 4 more to come).

Ok, I understand. I just wish the progression was slower, especially in regard to mastery milestones like 25/50/etc. but you do what you want to, of course))

[Malcs]

Originally posted by Dopey Shepard:

Originally posted by Malcs:

I'm sorry this happened to you. I'll do what I can to resolve issues like this.

Honestly, just playing the game if it works is perfectly fine by me, even if you refunded.

In regards to progression - Just note that Level 92 is halfway to level 99 in terms of XP. Yeah you got to level 90 in 3 days, but you're not halfway there yet and there is 20 skills in the game (With 4 more to come).

Ok, I understand. I just wish the progression was slower, especially in regard to mastery milestones like 25/50/etc. but you do what you want to, of course))

Combat is where you'll find the game to be "slow".
Some skills are fast, some are slow, and others are bottlenecked by resources required from other skills.

[richttaylor]

No doubt that fishing is one of the fastest skills to get to 99 in the game. Try going for 99 herblore if you want one that's really going to take some time. Maybe a week of thieving to get enough seeds and then you'll need weeks of farming to get enough herbs. I probably had 40-60m farming xp by the time I had enough herbs to get to 99.

Been playing well over 6 months and haven't finished all 99s yet.. I could've finished by now, but I get side tracked with other goals.

[Elenoe]

uh, I wouldn't exaggerate :) and herblore is actually one of the faster skills, it just needs resources which however you get on the background so no stress there. I've done thieving for maybe 15hrs? Some more support from WC. And farming is not exactly slow either.

But the game is not fast as it may seem. As Malcs said, it inherits Runescape's scale where 92 means half way done. There are more skills, they are slower. And combat itself is the other half of the game where most updates go. And while gold eventually becomes just bank fodder, it's nowhere near the first week of playing :) Shop only shows things you are allowed to purchase. Not everything that is purchasable.

So if one does a single skill and call it "finished" and "too short"... it's like calling a game too short after finishing tutorial :)

[Nathiri]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

herblore is actually one of the faster skills, it just needs resources which however you get on the background so no stress there. I've done thieving for maybe 15hrs? Some more support from WC. And farming is not exactly slow either.

Herblore seems to be alright with planning ahead, since you can craft two useful pots early and the rest can wait while you save reagents from doing other things. e.g. I made it to 99 farming and haven't even got all the carrots and pigtayle I want for herbing yet, let alone snapegrass. But that's fine since other things happen in the meantime.

I've found the FM grind to be slow but it's also very convenient to have true idle activities for busy days.

[Salmon Snake]

People always bring up the "92 is the halfway point" not thinking about that you have plenty of better skilling methods unlocked so its way past half way.

[Elenoe]

the point is not in the "exactly half a way". The point is the not-so-obvious scale, like getting to level 50 only requires less then 1% of XP and you will get there in no time compared to the rest of path, no matter what "better skilling method" (like getting 92xp instead of 45xp, yay) is ulocked :)

So it really FEELS much faster then it actually is to finish every and all skills. Even without touching combat which has its own goals and delays going waaay beyond skill levels.

And even then the first completition goal currently takes 3 months (that one about skills themselves, not gear, not abilities, not purchases). Which is not exactly "too short". And it's not "the end" either

[richttaylor]

Originally posted by Liguar:

Originally posted by Elenoe:

herblore is actually one of the faster skills, it just needs resources which however you get on the background so no stress there. I've done thieving for maybe 15hrs? Some more support from WC. And farming is not exactly slow either.

Herblore seems to be alright with planning ahead, since you can craft two useful pots early and the rest can wait while you save reagents from doing other things. e.g. I made it to 99 farming and haven't even got all the carrots and pigtayle I want for herbing yet, let alone snapegrass. But that's fine since other things happen in the meantime.

I've found the FM grind to be slow but it's also very convenient to have true idle activities for busy days.

I guess mastery update made farming a lot easier. When I did it you needed 280-300 herb seeds and 1,200 allotment seeds to reach the point where you got back more seeds than you spent. For Barrentoe, you only get a few per hour with thieving and it literally was a 7-10 day thieving grind to reach the seed self sufficiency break point.. their always was a somewhat faster high level slayer grind for Barrentoe, but I wanted to max all skills first. Carrot seeds were also slow to reach self sufficiency because the only reasonable source was to thieve them and they were quite slow as well. Now you could just farm easy to get potatoes and garum till you fill the mastery bar and then keep farming them and put the mastery xp in to the slow to get seeds.

At 222M farming xp now and over 100k of every herb. Could be way higher xp but goals like hoarding 100k of every herb and aiming for full mastery asap means a lot of slow xp. Currently half way to 200k garum and they're really pitiful xp. It really does go fast once you get all the necessary seeds self sufficient.. lol

[Elenoe]

Originally posted by richttaylor:

Now you could just farm easy to get potatoes and garum till you fill the mastery bar and then keep farming them and put the mastery xp in to the slow to get seeds.. lol

now that is very strange idea about how "easy" way looks like :) This would actually be pretty slow as well.

But yeah, barrentoe specifically can be supported by others. It's the only thing I've leveled to 99 before a single seed was planted. So I can do it with 4 starting seeds I've had. Just not by using potatoes and garum (WTF would anyone choose those?) but from carrots/grass/pigtayle. But aside barrentoe you grow all crops and herbs normally allong the way. And you only purchase starting mastery for them to 50 as you go up through them. Just like any other skill.

There really is zero need for only doing a single thing and having fracture of mastery XP through the pool instead of using full mastery from all items there are. That goes for all skills.

A side note.. barrentoe itself has only little use anyway. So not having it actually doesn't affect leveling at all. You get farming to 99 without it. You get herblore to 99 without it. You do combat without it.

What mastery system is actually helping with is that initial 30-60 mastery to any new item before you even touch it. That one is saving time.

[richttaylor]

Originally posted by Elenoe:

Originally posted by richttaylor:

Now you could just farm easy to get potatoes and garum till you fill the mastery bar and then keep farming them and put the mastery xp in to the slow to get seeds.. lol

now that is very strange idea about how "easy" way looks like :) This would actually be pretty slow as well.

But yeah, barrentoe specifically can be supported by others. It's the only thing I've leveled to 99 before a single seed was planted. So I can do it with 4 starting seeds I've had. Just not by using potatoes and garum (WTF would anyone choose those?) but from carrots/grass/pigtayle. But aside barrentoe you grow all crops and herbs normally allong the way. And you only purchase starting mastery for them to 50 as you go up through them. Just like any other skill.

There really is zero need for only doing a single thing and having fracture of mastery XP through the pool instead of using full mastery from all items there are. That goes for all skills.

A side note.. barrentoe itself has only little use anyway. So not having it actually doesn't affect leveling at all. You get farming to 99 without it. You get herblore to 99 without it. You do combat without it.

What mastery system is actually helping with is that initial 30-60 mastery to any new item before you even touch it. That one is saving time.

Barrentoe is used for diamond luck potions which is the number one most useful combat potion of all of them (gone through 8k of them so far and will be using them non-stop for at least one more month finishing up dungeon item completion..). It's why people save every diamond they get. It's also used for damage reduction pots. Level 4 dr pots are required if you ever intend to pass the Into the Mist dungeon and lots of people have used them in the past to get in to other high level dungeons earlier than their dr and hp would allow them. Both of those pots, the seconds are a very slow and tedious grind as well.. so it's ideal to make them at 95% mastery and after 99 for double potions. And ideally, with level 4 herblore pots and having gotten them to mastery 99 before so you get as many extras as possible. Crown with lots of stone charges and Aoropheat's being icing on top of all that as well.. for more extras.. lol

I maxed farming mastery with almost only carrots, snape, and high level herbs. Each harvest paid out somewhere around 1m mastery xp towards the end and it was actually a pretty quick process.. somewhere within 4 to 6 weeks of mastery release.

[Echelon86]

The fact there's ANY issues on this game when it's 14.50 on steam yet FREE on browser is a slap in the face. Yet there's TONS of issues on steam. Anyone who paid for an inferior product to browser version got scammed.

[SleipnirS]

Been trying to launch the game for like 5-10 mins now ... it just keep closing itself. While I know that, randomly, it'll stop doing that and let me play for hours straight, it is insanely frustrating and I didn't expect such problems.