Looking at some Different Classes

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I beat the game (and the Eye of the Goddess Mod) the first time around with a Fighter Hero, pretty much just pounding everything that stood against me into the dirt and wanted to take a look at some of the other classes as a Hero character. So far I've tried:

- An archer - working off the concept that it only takes 5 wounds to kill someone / thing.

- Elf spearman - pretty much the same reason, plus way down the road the Dragon Lance you build is one of the better weapons in the game.

- A Rogue and A Sapper.

So far - the whole kill 'em by wounds thing might be great later on, but it's a pretty weak method at the start, especially with the spear as you don't get access to trainers til later on when you can learn the good attacks that makes wounds a given. Also I found using an archer when the party is small, just makes it hard to protect him.

The Rogue managed to give me my first and only death by Bear. Real weak on the attack and Dranor just dupes all the skills.

My Sapper is interesting. Seems to give me the best of a fighter and thief. I've got mighty blow right off the bat and access to good strong weapons and he can do trap's and lock's, leaving the pickpocketing to Dranor.

I first started all this back in March after finishing the Eye of the Goddess mod and just now picked it all back up. Fun trying to remember what I was up to, not only once, but for 3 characters (got rid of the archer pretty quick). Thank heavens I hadn't left Avestrue yet.

I know the Battle Mage get's a lot of recommendations, but what and how have your hero's done?

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Well bit of an update. Made a Burglar - nice pick lock and disarm trap features like the sapper, just no start attack so makes for a weak attack team at the start.

Just for the heck of it I made up a Battle Mage. No hand to hand at all kind of worries me, I'll play with him some and see if his magic's enough to over come that problem.

I think my problem is I'm looking at everything from the short term / right out of the box - how will they do in Avestrue and Fredok quests? I know down the road these classes can be pretty strong, but if you have to die over and over cuz they're weak at the start I just don't see the point.

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So I gave up on the Battle Mage and switched him to an Elementalist since I remember playing with a Fire Elemental in River of Time. Once again, the class right out of the box is pretty weak with the Fire Elemental only doing 1 pt of damage.

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Well enough screwing around. Decided to press on with the Sapper. Seems there's not a Spear trainer in Fredock after all so looks like I made the right choice.

Already in the sewers chasing down the cultist murderers. I upgraded Gladys with Fire, Thunderblast and heal so she's a proper little combat mage now. I'll see how well it works when I confront the cultists.

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Ah the curse of stubby little fingers, other-wise known as DEX (and INT). Yes the sapper can pick locks .... on paper, but anything beyond the most basic test he fails.

With enough good lock picks he eventually gets things open, but without dumping a bunch of AP into bring his Dex and Int up, he's never going to be as good as Dranor. So while I guess I could say raising his skill up to 12 helped make it through the Thieves course, there really wasn't a reason to run the course until I got Dranor back.

So now it's time to play catch up with Dranor's pick pocket & lock pick skills.

Ahhhhh the things you don't remember when over a year's past since last playing.

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Seems the Autosave prior to the Thieves Course was still there so I just jumped back in time, got my AP back and instead of doing the course, went and rescued Dranor instead.

The course was no match for Stock Dranor and I breezed through it. I'm still using the Sapper to disarm traps and while he wasn't a 100% on them his stocky little self doesn't seem to suffer much when things go bang.

Upgraded some of the parties armor, got shields and I'll be on the look out for the first trainer that can teach how to use Dranor's fencing weapon to the best way. Vice going all pounding to dust this time, I think I'll run a mix of thrusting and pounding and see how that works out.

[Corlain]

I tried some stupid things in the 2nd game, like using Brawling and Throwing Weapons and giving Forgrimm Spears and Seduction... (spears are bugged on dwarves btw, don't try that).

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Didn't know about the Dwarf angle, but I used spears in River of Time to pretty good effect. Of course you find a trainer for them a lot sooner so you can actually make use of them.

I don't know why some of the stuff is even there, beyond I guess it's expected. Brawling?, Throwing knives?, Clubs? But if you want to just goof around I guess why not.

[Corlain]

Seduction is pointless in RoT too. You can put it on other characters, but they actually have to roll the skill when the thief guy would get a cutscene so they can fail and he can't. I haven't tried it on a female though, there are probably some points where it works.

If you give a spear to a dwarf he gets a weird miniature version and can't attack with it at all, I guess they thought no-one would even try that... but yeah otherwise spears are very good since you can kill the troll type enemies with wounds.

You can get infinite money with Brawling in RoT, but it's incredibly slow. Throwing axes' Knockdown move could maybe be semi-useful at a couple of spots, but it takes far too many points to learn and you can't even get it until you beat the arena. Not to mention my character had to beat it with only throwing weapons and brawling which was a 'bit' hard.

I should probably get back to that save and see if I can finish the game, although the NPCs would end up doing everything...

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Originally posted by Corlain:

Seduction though, there are probably some points where it works.

Can't remember which game as the details of things like that merge together, but there is at least One case where you can complete an action with an NPC via the seduction roll.
** Found it or atleast the first one: Blood Mountains you can use seduction to get past the Patriots quartermaster to get to the chest behind him.

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Finally found my list of trainers. Lunge for Fencing & Spears doesn't show up with a trainer until Tallon which is Chap. 7 out of the 11 totally so that's a long wait to make pointy things useful.