Scam machine

[Rizako]

Whoever made this absolute disgusting scam machine should get fired. The fact that you can get the MOST PERFECT GRAB on one of the animals in the claw machine and have it stolen from you by a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ INVISIBLE WALL is absolutely disgusting. I would've had every skin by now if not for the complete scam that this machine is....

[Sir Sid]

lmao just like the real life ones

By the way, one time it bugged for me and I could control the character in the machine and walk out the hole xD LOL

[Rizako]

Originally posted by Sir Sid:

By the way, one time it bugged for me and I could control the character in the machine and walk out the hole xD LOL

That happens if you havent gotten a skin in a while I think. Happened to me too lol.
But yeah I understand real life claw machines are an absolute scam but come the fck on really, claw machine in a videogame has to scam too. Its so absurd.

[ChefX6]

yeah. WTF is this Scam Machine Devs ?

[Umbrella]

For goodness sake, stop complaining, you can literally get all the skins FOR FREE.

You get free Nemo Bucks just playing the game, you get loose change for the machine.
Why is everyone crying about a cheap shortcut that can get you the skins quicker?

Oh wait, they spend every Nemo Buck as soon as the get it and when something like this comes along you want to complain about the game having in game transactions, fml, go play FIFA if you want to talk about scam games.

[Rizako]

Originally posted by Umbrella:

For goodness sake, stop complaining, you can literally get all the skins FOR FREE.

You get free Nemo Bucks just playing the game, you get loose change for the machine.
Why is everyone crying about a cheap shortcut that can get you the skins quicker?

Oh wait, they spend every Nemo Buck as soon as the get it and when something like this comes along you want to complain about the game having in game transactions, fml, go play FIFA if you want to talk about scam games.

Stop defending scummy practices. I don't care how many nemo bucks you get for free but if you end up literally WASTING them because of a SCAM then there's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ problem.

[Mewffa]

OP, while I absolutely agree with you, please don't take a game this serious. It's not good for your heart

[Jelly_Fish]

true bro AWFUL MINI GAME

[Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC]

"I am not guaranteed an instant win every single time so therefor its a SCAM! WHAAAAAAAH! A chance to win FREE things is GREEDY! WHAAAAH"

FFS Its free. The battle pass gives us free tokens. The game gives us plenty of free Nemo bucks if we want to use them. The event is free.

Starting to think more than half of the players don't understand the definition of the word scam. And I bet plenty of them happily own and play games with optional loot boxes which can only be opened with real money.

[Calico]

You understand that Nemo Bucks can be bought with real money, right? Just because they give away stuff for free doesn't mean there isn't also a real world cost. Casinos operate the same way, and it's problematic in a game for kids. Especially since the claw machine appears to be skill based, but is RNG behind the scenes. It's intentionally deceptive.

[Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC]

Originally posted by Calico:

You understand that Nemo Bucks can be bought with real money, right? Just because they give away stuff for free doesn't mean there isn't also a real world cost. Casinos operate the same way, and it's problematic in a game for kids. Especially since the claw machine appears to be skill based, but is RNG behind the scenes. It's intentionally deceptive.

Beyond your own personal experience of not winning...Do you have any evidence to support that the game is entirely using a random number generating mechanic rather than any amount of skill?

[Calico]

Originally posted by Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC:

Beyond your own personal experience of not winning...Do you have any evidence to support that the game is entirely using a random number generating mechanic rather than any amount of skill?

There are folks on the official forums that have been analyzing it and working off of information that was posted to China's version of YouTube. Basically what they're saying is that each time you use the claw machine, you have specific odds of winning. The outcome is predetermined before you even use the machine. There's also a pity mechanic that gives you a win if you lose too often to keep you playing it. There are videos where people make the claw grab nothing, but one of the prizes gets up on its own and jumps into the prize bin.

Someone else also mentioned that China has very strict regulations for gambling, which includes loot boxes in video games. So making the game use a claw machine, which is considered a game of skill (even if IRL ones are rigged anyway), it avoids those regulations even with RNG under the hood.

That said, my point was more that defending the claw machine because it's "free" is disingenuous. A kid with a parent's credit card could blow $1000 of real world money to get all the prizes. I know that's no different from a real arcade, but given what I've read on the forums, it would at least sit better with me if the game was actually relying on the physics of it instead of hidden odds.

Then again, maybe that's not true, but my own experience leads me to feel like it at least has the ring of truth to it. I don't understand taking pride in defending a game mechanic where you can pay real money and receive *nothing* in a paid game.

Edit: typos

[Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC]

Originally posted by Calico:

Originally posted by Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC:

Beyond your own personal experience of not winning...Do you have any evidence to support that the game is entirely using a random number generating mechanic rather than any amount of skill?

There are folks on the official forums that have been analyzing it and working off of information that was posted to China's version of YouTube. Basically what they're saying is that each time you use the claw machine, you have specific odds of winning. The outcome is predetermined before you even use the machine. There's also a pity mechanic that gives you a win if you lose too often to keep you playing it. There are videos where people make the claw grab nothing, but one of the prizes gets up on its own and jumps into the prize bin.

Someone else also mentioned that China has very strict regulations for gambling, which includes loot boxes in video games. So making the game use a claw machine, which is considered a game of skill (even if IRL ones are rigged anyway), it avoids those regulations even with RNG under the hood.

That said, my point was more that defending the claw machine because it's "free" is disingenuous. A kid with a parent's credit card could blow $1000 of real world money to get all the prizes. I know that's no different from a real arcade, but given what I've read on the forums, it would at least sit better with me if the game was actually relying on the physics of it instead of hidden odds.

Then again, maybe that's not true, but I don't take pride in defending a game mechanic where you can pay real money and receive *nothing* in a paid game.

Edit: typos

That was a long way of saying "no".

However, I did find your "what if" situation cute.

[Calico]

Originally posted by Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC:

That was a long way of saying "no".

However, I did find your "what if" situation cute.

You didn't even read what I wrote. So this conversation is over.

[Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC]

Originally posted by Calico:

Originally posted by Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC:

That was a long way of saying "no".

However, I did find your "what if" situation cute.

You didn't even read what I wrote. So this conversation is over.

I did read it. Your evidence was "but but but...other people are guessing on the internet!!!" + hypothetical situation.

Anyone in the PA forum, which I have been in since launch, knows every thread is just people arguing with Igor.

I know grade school math is painfully difficult...but nobody is going to blow $1000 on getting all of those skins.

We already learned that after max 7 misses the game gives you a free pity win. Sooo...even if you missed every single draw, even if you did not collect a single token off the battle pass, and even had the absolute worst luck with every pity win. At 120 nemo bucks per draw it adds up to the cost of around 2 premium skins....for 7 skins.

[NovacaineV]

not gone lie one of them jumped out lol