Game has Lootboxes? ~250€/$ for a guaranteed legendary skin of your choice!

[Kimimao]

Hello community,

I've just read this in the FAQ:

"Some outfits require Surprise Egg drawing. Players can obtain "Egg Coupon" by leveling up or through in-game purchases."

Surprise Egg drawing = Lootbox? And you can get "Egg Coupons" ( probably to open the lootboxes ) by playing the gaming/leveling up or buy buying them with real money? ( Ingame purches )
What else is there to buy in the shop with real money besides the "Egg Coupons"? Overall this is a Buy-To-Play product.

70% Outfits will be earnable ingame but it seems like 30% will be in the Surprise Egg drawings or directly purchasable with real money?

Based on the "Sure Egg" mechanic you have to pay around 210€/$ - 250€/$ to get a guaranteed legendary skin of your choice in a Buy-To-Play product...

Worst case scenario:

Every 70 draws, you get a guaranteed legendary skin.

70(1 Star)+70(2 Star)+70 egg draws = 210 egg draws needed.

One egg draw costs 120 Nemo Bucks which might equal 1€ or 1,20€ | 1$ or 1.20$, so you need to spend like 210€/$-252€/$ for 1 guaranteed legendary skin of your choice in a B2P game......

[triples]

Yes it does

[Schism]

You can't get the same outfit more than once with this mechanic and even thought it might look frustrating it is still better than other games %(from what I understood/saw in the playtest).

That being said if you want a legendary skin for the otter or the pup you might RNG something else, which means you will have to roll more.(I heard the beta testers from 3 years ago will get 10 free coupons, and we have no idea of what the rate from E/$ to Nemo bucks is but I remember 1xRoll is 120 Nemo bucks probably 1$ worth and the 10x rolls is around 10$(1200 Nemo bucks) we will see at release for sure, you can also earn nemo bucks through the battle pass, which looked like its seasonal(as in non-purchasable) and goes to lvl 100).

On the other hand servers are not FREE upkeep.
They do have skins that are only $(nemo-bucks) related.

DO with this information what you will.

[Niko Bellic]

Yes, but it seems like they are easily earnable for free.
What I know:
Most of the skins in the game are earnable for free. There are two currencies: cookies (free) and Nemo bucks (paid).
The free currency can be used to get surprise eggs, which will unlock skins, and the paid currency can be used to directly purchase skins on the Item Shop.
Hundreds of skins are completely free (70%), and some can be purchased on the Item shop.
$20 gets you the game and hundreds of skins you can unlock by playing the game.

[Schism]

Originally posted by Niko Bellic:

Yes, but it seems like they are easily earnable for free.
What I know:
Most of the skins in the game are earnable for free. There are two currencies: cookies (free) and Nemo bucks (paid).
The free currency can be used to get surprise eggs, which will unlock skins, and the paid currency can be used to directly purchase skins on the Item Shop.
Hundreds of skins are completely free (70%), and some can be purchased on the Item shop.
$20 gets you the game and hundreds of skins you can unlock by playing the game.

Eggs are purchasable with Nemo Bucks from the last playtest, not with cookies.
120 NemoBucks -> 1 Egg Roll
1200 NemoBucks -> 10 Egg Rolls

If you have other information than the last playtest it better be from the mouth of the devs.
xD

Tho as mentioned previously it didn't look like you get twice the same skin, so its by elimination.(will love to have more information about this from recreate)

[Kimimao]

Also in this new playtest you can now also purchase Bones/Cookies with realmoney ( Nemo-Bucks ) theres an exchange if you click on the Bones/Cookies icon.

In the worst case scenario you have to pay like 250€ for the legendary skin of your choice: Every 70 Eggs from the machine are a guaranteed legendary skin. With the "Sure Egg" mechanic you would need 70 egg draws ( First star on Sure Egg ) + another 70 egg draws ( Second star on Sure Egg ) + another 70 egg draws ( You finally get the legendary skin you've chosen with the Sure Egg mechanic ) if you havent gotten it already from a random draw. ( But the more legendary skins there are in the future, the more unlikely it will be that you get your desired legendary skin by a random draw.

So 70+70+70 egg draws = 210 egg draws needed.

One egg draw costs 120 Nemo Bucks which might equal 1€ or 1,20€ | 1$ or 1.20$, so you need to spend like 210€/$-252€/$ for 1 guaranteed legendary skin of your choice in a B2P game......

[Schism]

Originally posted by Kimimao:

Also in this new playtest you can now also purchase Bones/Cookies with realmoney ( Nemo-Bucks ) theres an exchange if you click on the Bones/Cookies icon.

In the worst case scenario you have to pay like 250€ for the legendary skin of your choice: Every 70 Eggs from the machine are a guaranteed legendary skin. With the "Sure Egg" mechanic you would need 70 egg draws ( First star on Sure Egg ) + another 70 egg draws ( Second star on Sure Egg ) + another 70 egg draws ( You finally get the legendary skin you've chosen with the Sure Egg mechanic ) if you havent gotten it already from a random draw. ( But the more legendary skins there are in the future, the more unlikely it will be that you get your desired legendary skin by a random draw.

So 70+70+70 egg draws = 210 egg draws needed.

One egg draw costs 120 Nemo Bucks which might equal 1€ or 1,20€ | 1$ or 1.20$, so you need to spend like 210€/$-252€/$ for 1 guaranteed legendary skin of your choice in a B2P game......

Just a heads up lower tier costumes repeat themselves.
Common - Exchange rate of 150x Cookies
Uncommon - Exchange rate of 450x Cookies
Rare - haven't gotten a rare duplicate(didn't get even a rare) 1500x Cookies maybe
Epic - same Haven't gotten one but I would think its around 3000x Cookies maybe
Legendary - one you have all maybe around 5000x Cookies per repeatable legendary

So basically you will have a lot of cookies that will require spending, probably they will add another incentive in the shop for like 1millionx Cookies Skin.

It is a predatory gatcha system, unfortunately.

What I wanna know is how some have the Half Life Costume?

[gutslab1]

this game already cost $20 to buy (higher than other games with similar mechanics) and now you have this lootbox junk, it's so disappointing

[☢ Vi ☢]

I honestly don't understand why so many people take issue with this. They're just skins... They have absolutely Z E R O impact on the actual gameplay, and the vast majority of them you can get just by playing the game.

[XYA]

Maybe because people would love to actually earn things in game instead of paying extra money? Imagine you play the claw game but you only pay for the gameplay no prizes included and you have to pay extra for a random reward.

[Schism]

Originally posted by Vixie:

I honestly don't understand why so many people take issue with this. They're just skins... They have absolutely Z E R O impact on the actual gameplay, and the vast majority of them you can get just by playing the game.

I will try to explain to you in detail how this system works.

There are in total of ~170 skins in the game(unlocked via achievements, shop and GATCHA system), the Gathca system has 68 skins in total(~40% of the game, 62 repeatable and 6 non-repeatable, the legendary ones you can get 100% after 420 pulls~420$ if the exchange rate is 120NemoBucks-1$), basically you have 40% of the game behind a paywall that does not give you what you want, the common, uncommon, rare and epic skins are repeatable that means you will have to spend an exaggerated amount of money on a game that already has Nemo-Bucks only skins(so your excuse of "supporting the devs" does not fit into this equation at all):
-Llegendary - 30$
-Epic - 16$
-Rare - 8$
-Uncommon - 3$
So there is already a way to "support" the game/devs through the shop, there is no need for a system in which people need to spend THOUSANDs of dollars just to get 100% of the game.

In the future if they remove/add to the Supper EGG/Gatcha system the chances of getting what you want will be even Lower.

The amount of stuff you can do in the Supper Egg system for free is limited, especially since the repeatability of the rarity chances is:
Common - 43.50%
Uncommon - 30.00%
Rare - 20.00%
Epic - 5.00%(1 in 10 is Epic - grief mechanic)
Lengedary - 1.50%(1 in 70 is Legendary and non-repeatable, grief mechanic)
The Epic ones, even tho they have a sure fire 1 in 10, you can get the same skins after 180 pulls basically you will be rewarded just cookies after the first one, that you can use in the shop for certain skins(pointless since you want a certain EPIC skin).

This is NOT an Ok system however you wanna spin it and I'm kinda baffled that some of the mods have been silencing the Forums with the subject being "the comments in regards to this system are HATEFUL".

Hope you get it after this, "white knighting" this type of behavior for any devs/game/institution is pretty much not healthy for any community(imagine you go in a hospital and you need to gamble until you get the services you want, wonder if you would still vote for a government that institutes such a law, the developers have the power to change this as long as people ask them to introduce a proper system, politely, more specifically a system that is gameplay-oriented).

[☢ Vi ☢]

Originally posted by Schism:

Originally posted by Vixie:

I honestly don't understand why so many people take issue with this. They're just skins... They have absolutely Z E R O impact on the actual gameplay, and the vast majority of them you can get just by playing the game.

I will try to explain to you in detail how this system works.

There are in total of ~170 skins in the game(unlocked via achievements, shop and GATCHA system), the Gathca system has 68 skins in total(~40% of the game, 62 repeatable and 6 non-repeatable, the legendary ones you can get 100% after 420 pulls~420$ if the exchange rate is 120NemoBucks-1$), basically you have 40% of the game behind a paywall that does not give you what you want, the common, uncommon, rare and epic skins are repeatable that means you will have to spend an exaggerated amount of money on a game that already has Nemo-Bucks only skins(so your excuse of "supporting the devs" does not fit into this equation at all):
-Llegendary - 30$
-Epic - 16$
-Rare - 8$
-Uncommon - 3$
So there is already a way to "support" the game/devs through the shop, there is no need for a system in which people need to spend THOUSANDs of dollars just to get 100% of the game.

In the future if they remove/add to the Supper EGG/Gatcha system the chances of getting what you want will be even Lower.

The amount of stuff you can do in the Supper Egg system for free is limited, especially since the repeatability of the rarity chances is:
Common - 43.50%
Uncommon - 30.00%
Rare - 20.00%
Epic - 5.00%(1 in 10 is Epic - grief mechanic)
Lengedary - 1.50%(1 in 70 is Legendary and non-repeatable, grief mechanic)
The Epic ones, even tho they have a sure fire 1 in 10, you can get the same skins after 180 pulls basically you will be rewarded just cookies after the first one, that you can use in the shop for certain skins(pointless since you want a certain EPIC skin).

This is NOT an Ok system however you wanna spin it and I'm kinda baffled that some of the mods have been silencing the Forums with the subject being "the comments in regards to this system are HATEFUL".

Hope you get it after this, "white knighting" this type of behavior for any devs/game/institution is pretty much not healthy for any community(imagine you go in a hospital and you need to gamble until you get the services you want, wonder if you would still vote for a government that institutes such a law, the developers have the power to change this as long as people ask them to introduce a proper system, politely, more specifically a system that is gameplay-oriented).

I'm not white knighting it buddy, and I understand how it works. I just don't understand why people care so damn much about skins as a whole. The gameplay is what matters, and it's fun as hell in that regard. Skins make no difference whatsoever to how my animal controls or my ability to beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of my friends.

[Schism]

Originally posted by Vixie:

Originally posted by Schism:

I will try to explain to you in detail how this system works.

There are in total of ~170 skins in the game(unlocked via achievements, shop and GATCHA system), the Gathca system has 68 skins in total(~40% of the game, 62 repeatable and 6 non-repeatable, the legendary ones you can get 100% after 420 pulls~420$ if the exchange rate is 120NemoBucks-1$), basically you have 40% of the game behind a paywall that does not give you what you want, the common, uncommon, rare and epic skins are repeatable that means you will have to spend an exaggerated amount of money on a game that already has Nemo-Bucks only skins(so your excuse of "supporting the devs" does not fit into this equation at all):
-Llegendary - 30$
-Epic - 16$
-Rare - 8$
-Uncommon - 3$
So there is already a way to "support" the game/devs through the shop, there is no need for a system in which people need to spend THOUSANDs of dollars just to get 100% of the game.

In the future if they remove/add to the Supper EGG/Gatcha system the chances of getting what you want will be even Lower.

The amount of stuff you can do in the Supper Egg system for free is limited, especially since the repeatability of the rarity chances is:
Common - 43.50%
Uncommon - 30.00%
Rare - 20.00%
Epic - 5.00%(1 in 10 is Epic - grief mechanic)
Lengedary - 1.50%(1 in 70 is Legendary and non-repeatable, grief mechanic)
The Epic ones, even tho they have a sure fire 1 in 10, you can get the same skins after 180 pulls basically you will be rewarded just cookies after the first one, that you can use in the shop for certain skins(pointless since you want a certain EPIC skin).

This is NOT an Ok system however you wanna spin it and I'm kinda baffled that some of the mods have been silencing the Forums with the subject being "the comments in regards to this system are HATEFUL".

Hope you get it after this, "white knighting" this type of behavior for any devs/game/institution is pretty much not healthy for any community(imagine you go in a hospital and you need to gamble until you get the services you want, wonder if you would still vote for a government that institutes such a law, the developers have the power to change this as long as people ask them to introduce a proper system, politely, more specifically a system that is gameplay-oriented).

I'm not white knighting it buddy, and I understand how it works. I just don't understand why people care so damn much about skins as a whole. The gameplay is what matters, and it's fun as hell in that regard. Skins make no difference whatsoever to how my animal controls or my ability to beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of my friends.

If "it didn't matter", it wouldn't be locked behind a paywall, if "it didn't matter" the corgi avatar would be enough and you wouldn't post here about how "it didn't matter".
The truth is that it does matter and customization is part of GAMEPLAY whether you accept that or not.

[Ronald]

Originally posted by Vixie:

I'm not white knighting it buddy, and I understand how it works. I just don't understand why people care so damn much about skins as a whole. The gameplay is what matters, and it's fun as hell in that regard. Skins make no difference whatsoever to how my animal controls or my ability to beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of my friends.

Some of us aren't 15 and remember a time where skins weren't locked behind paywalls and were easily obtainable in a reasonable amount of time, only adding to the gameplay (for free).
They can be fine in F2P games, but when the game costs as much as this one does, it should have little to no microtransactions.