Ride 4 or MotoGP21 ?

[Vanrayne]

Hi, total beginner here, I have been playing mainly F1/WRC in the past, never played a bike game before. Which of these would you suggest for me to get? I prefer realism over arcade physics. Thanks!

[kensai606]

Motogp21 all day, every day.
Ride 4 is as arcade as a game can get. Think project cars 3, but the version for pre school children. That's Ride 4.
The reason: the AI is terrible and was unable to cope with the physics. So top speed was capped as an emergency measure. Since then the physics has been progressively nerfed in an attempt to keep the AI on their bikes. The complicated physics modelling has been completely abandoned. One of their efforts was to add a very large invisible weight on the handlebars, that's exactly how the bikes behave when you crest a hill.

Motogp21 has insanely realistic bikes, the 2 strokes in particular are excellent fun to try and master.

[Freerider™]

So far I've seen a complete yardsale across the board in MotoGP 21 from the AI. I've never seen AI crash as much and often as that game is as of now. I've seen it in all the videos on youtube, but of course, they MAY fix it at some point who knows.
I just find it hard listening to you trying to hide that truth.

Here's one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG4ua8vUcQ0

[ExtTM]

Originally posted by PnPride:

Hi, total beginner here, I have been playing mainly F1/WRC in the past, never played a bike game before. Which of these would you suggest for me to get? I prefer realism over arcade physics. Thanks!

MotoGP is a little more sim compared to RIDE 4. You have 3 point tyre wear and brake temperatures to manage which adds in lots of immersion. But on the other side, you have limited amount of tracks to race on, with limited/very similar type of bikes. There is no day/night cycle. Career mode is very linear, where you just race through seasons after seasons.

RIDE 4 is a little bit simplified. It does not have 3 point tyre wear or the brake temperatures to manage. On the bright side, it has lots of different bikes with different characteristics + Lots of different tracks (Even the Nords and daytona), which results in trying out different track/bike combos. It has 24 hour day/night cycle which is really impressive. Career mode is nice and varied.

Personally, I prefer RIDE 4 because it has that immersive feel and hardcore simulation aspects when you need it (In Endurance races), and it can be arcade when you want it to (Generic AI races). Best of both worlds. The only thing I miss in RIDE 4 is the 3 point tyre wear from MotoGP but oh well, it makes it for it in other ways.

[kensai606]

Limited/similar bikes? As its a motogp game I would say that's an obvious given. But be fair, they've gone from 1992 500cc 2 strokes to modern day bikes. There's 250cc and even E bikes about to drop.
The bikes are individually modelled, the characteristics are distinct so I've found plenty to maintain my interest.
I think there's 24 tracks, again, that's plenty.

ANNA AI has been a dismal failure this year. Ride 4 is shocking, the AI is ridiculously easy to beat. Motogp has its problems too, but not as badly. I'm currently racing Motogp 2 which DOESN'T have the AI problems.

It all boils down to what you're aiming for.

[ElisuR]

They are so similar, but i say Ride 4

[LosPollos]

i learned to play Ride 4 when it was new and my experience with the downgrade update is it is terrible to re learn it its just me maybe

[LosPollos]

Ride 4 also brings to many pay dlc for my opinion they make a good funy game pretty bad with downgrade update why should i support them selling a game as new most realistic bike title and remove all realistics...... its like i sell a shooter and upgrade it to football title lol ( didnt tried motogp yet)

[Vanrayne]

Thanks for comments everyone, I gave RIDE 4 a chance and overall it is fun to play with all assists off but i have a big problem with one thing. Unless I'm taking a perfect line with perfect breaking point, AI just ram into me constantly what cause lots of accident. Never had problems like that in F1 games. Is it game lacking AI or my lack of technique?

[ExtTM]

Originally posted by PnPride:

Thanks for comments everyone, I gave RIDE 4 a chance and overall it is fun to play with all assists off but i have a big problem with one thing. Unless I'm taking a perfect line with perfect breaking point, AI just ram into me constantly what cause lots of accident. Never had problems like that in F1 games. Is it game lacking AI or my lack of technique?

F1 games have some of the best AI that you can find in any racing game out there. As of RIDE 4, it is mostly hit or miss. Sometimes it works great, sometimes it will ram you if you brake early. Way around it is, for the first few minutes into the race, try to stay off the racing before entering the corner. I've been trying this little trick for a while and it is much much better now.

Later down 1-2 laps, when the field gets spread out, you can ride as you normally would, on the racing line.

[kensai606]

Because the AI is so bad milestone cheats, 1 rider will break away and will be way out in front. This way you'll only race 1 AI rider, not all of them.
So just stay safe until the breakaway.

[Vanrayne]

Thanks, I'll try that. Cheers.

[PSICOPATA]

Sure RIDE 4 , trust me... The others , are 50% aracade...

[3dfx]

The feel of the bikes in Ride 4 is much better, those of motogp are anything but real. And I'm not saying that Ride 4's are the best of this life but at least it transmits better what happens on the asphalt or even the engine retention, which could still improve a lot. Another thing is the direction changes, in motogp it is as if you had to change a cow from side to side, the motorcycle feels heavy and slow, in real life with a little counter handlebar and help from the body you change the motorcycle sideways In nothing. In Ride it also happens with some motorcycles but it is less pronounced.
I bought the gp20 on sale from the Ps store and as soon as I tried it I uninstalled it. Now I have bought this on PC thinking that with the change in physics the control would have changed ( because the gp20 was surreal ) and yes, it has improved somewhat but not at the level of the Ride4.

[Frey]

I've never played so much the Motogp, boring tracks, and bikes, the track and bike list for Ride 4 is awesome....

[Ant]

If you'd played MotoGP 15, VRTG, 17, 18, 19, 20 and now 21, you'd probably be as bored with the format and repetition and lack of innovation as everyone else should be by now. '21 isn't much different from '20, and apart from a few minor changes you might as well be playing almost any of them.

That's not all Milestone's fault of course - the MotoGP track list has been the same for years and knowing it'll be the same again next year doesn't create much excitement. Yes, Portugal was a welcome addition, and Kimiring, where almost every bend seems off-camber might add some excitement (if they ever get there), but the format is very formulaic and leaves little for innovation or expansion. You can't even carry on your career from the previous year, and have to start, yet again, as a rookie.

But if your interests lie in a more "technically orientated" and competitive offering, then MotoGP 21 is the choice. Especially if you've never played a bike game before and it's the sport challenge rather than the fun factor which appeals - the repetitiveness of it all won't hit you for another season or two. Yes we all want to emulate our MotoGP heroes and imagine ourselves competing among them and, if that's what you want then go for MotoGP.

On the other hand, Ride 4 offers a large range of tracks and a long list of bikes which, despite the sometimes dodgy physics and questionable AI (also true of MotoGP), keeps a high level of interest and adds fun into the equation.

If it's the riding which is the qualifying factor, and I reckon for most IRL riders that's what it is, then Ride 4 is where you need to be. Nowhere else will you get to have a go on such a range of machinery. No, it's not a perfect simulation, but it's pretty good and to try to ride an H2R fast around Nurburgring, or really any of the bikes on any of the tracks even with the imperfections just gives you that rider buzz.

Last point - personally I have both (I suspect most do), because they're not the same but they do compliment each other nicely.

First computer C64, if it helps.