This game is relentless

[Chi-Ki]

Upscaling in prices is just...well like the real world :D It's just going up and up and up. Funny thing is I saw someone with 300 M and thought don't you have enough already? And now I'm thinking he/she is barely gettting by :D :D :D

You start paying 100 gold for industry. You get 1 guild affection or whatever. It goes 100>200>500>800>1400......and so on...I am on 100k now and you still get only 1 guild affection....LOL....

Then there's the relentless offers that they give you....can you not craft guns, if you don't buy engineer for 20 €? And scholar too....why did I level those skanks to level 4, if you can only use them, if you buy them...like street walkers they are....PASS.

I would like to hear, how much people already spend in this game...in game money and real world money. I only bought that pack that gives you 4 crafting slot,3rd quest and some gems? The 3-4 € one....in game is under 10 million I think.

SHOP TITANS CALM DOWN ! Take away couple of zeros....is this game run by some eastern country that we all know,which country I mean ? :D They have millions there in prices and they are poor.

*Slap*

Snap out Shop Titans :D

[BIT Bear]

I bought some gems before so I had enough cash for upgrades.
Every 10 gems converts to approx 2m gold. Other than that no.
The DLC packs are way too expensive imo.

[Chi-Ki]

For sure they are too much...20 € for engineer...and scholar and 2nd dragon aren't far behind...you keep them game. Then they wanna do you with champs, and so many more. If they weren't too greedy, I'd probably buy another upgrade for crafting/questing/expand-trade market pack they offered. And I only see price...I don't see that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ "discount" tag they parade around.

Yiou can convert gems to gold?

[BIT Bear]

Originally posted by Chi-Ki:

Yiou can convert gems to gold?

Yes. You can buy gems and then (after 48 hours) buy items with those gems and trade them back to the market for gold.

[Chi-Ki]

Oh...I thought there's some direct conversion. I don't really spend gold on market. I did buy few items out of quick necessity...but I just sell them on market. It's crazy how cheap people sell it...either they craft so much,they don't care how cheap it is...or have problem with inventory. But for example...easy sell 80k item goes for 10k and less....I don't mind selling ti for 70k...60-65k at minimum...

First few days game sucked me in hard. It was always something to craft or do. Now craft timers have gone up and I can easily log in few times a day and do little stuff. I know I can rush craft process, but I don't want to. Given how crazy upscaling is in this game...and that you can't even have certain npc's without coughing up real cash...I'm good playing this game slow...very very slow. Gave them 3-4€ and that's it. Again if they weren't so greedy,they might've gotten even another 15.

[M]

And what is with all of the OBNOXIOUS USER INTERFACE BOUNCING EFFECTS with nearly EVERY FREAKING CLICK? Its flippin LUDICROUS LMAO! Like UI designed by someone on lethal dose of illicit substances LMFAO smh man, DO THE DEVS even PLAYTEST this game? xD

[aardvarkpepper]

Saying they're greedy and whatnot - mmm, I don't know that I would single this game out. Most similar games (and "Western" nations aren't any better as they simply copy the model) have a monetization model involving game loops designed to not end and encourage spending. Whether you want to call it predatory or not, what I'm getting at is iIf one game charges 20 quid and another 40 quid for a feature, well, you have to figure, *both* games are still going to try to get you to spend hundreds of real hours or whatever in-game, and both are still going to try to pressure you to spend thousands.

For example, take engineer and scholar. Engineer lowers break chances, permanently unlocks guns (one of the most powerful weapon types), scholar gives bonus merchant XP, permanently unlocks wands was it? and I think maybe lets you craft runestones? (anyways wands are another of the most powerful weapon types). Both have a one-time cost that means you're going to spend on par with any other "AAA" game.

But even if you *do* buy engineer or scholar, so what? A free-to-play player can still purchase guns and wands on market. Even with engineer, your equipment will still break, even with scholar you're still going to grind hundreds of hours.

So really, no matter *what* you buy, you're just not going to reach that end. You could buy the monthly subscription Royal Merchant (which pay-to-play players correctly, I think, say offers the best "value" for reasons I won't get into here). But then, look at a lot of "AAA" games these days. Trying to push a monthly subscription model? Trying to push players to play hundreds of hours to earn in-game rewards? It's about par for course at this point.

If you say "yes, but they could charge less" - sure. But maybe they figure the players that don't spend a lot of money in the first place just aren't going to spend that money - and the players that *will* spend money will spend a *lot*. So maybe they're not targeting *your* money so much as they are other customers that will spend a lot more.

Which isn't to say you can't enjoy the game. The way I figure it, the game's a process, if you rush to get ahead, eventually any temporary boost you get is lost in the hundreds of hours of play or whatever you put in. Learn the game, if you want to spend okay, if not that's okay too.

[Chi-Ki]

I do enjoy the game. Now it's settled down. Crafting takes longer to take (and I don't want to rush it), so I check on it few times over the day...click-click-click....and that's it. The way game came out of the gate for my money (and as well as any other players money) is too aggressive. Remined me from scene from Ready Player One. Where that baddie wanted to flood UI with so much promos and what not.

I haven't played every game out there....but I can't remember a game, that was so aggressive on selling you stuff. Luckily I don't see "discount" only what the price is.

I get it...I spend waaaaaay too much money on SW:TOR over the years...where people would say it's not worth it....and it wasn't...but it was my choice to spend it.

I will say this....if all you (game) has to offer is upscaling like crazy to grind then game is trash. Now it's new and fresh for me...but down the road I doubt I'll think of it the same. People have lives to live, not spend all day in just one game.

[Wgurgh]

I would certainly agree you have not played every game out there if you think Shop Titans is so aggressive on selling you stuff. I am not saying they don't try to sell you things (and there is probably more aggressiveness early on that once you have played for a while)
I am not even saying their prices for things are "good"
What I will say, is they are one of the less aggressive games on selling you things I have seen, including some full price games.

I am pretty sure the game has more to offer than upscaling like crazy, but every person has to make their own choice if a game is worth their time and/or money

[Chi-Ki]

What else is to offer? You build up your shop...and prices for everythng just go up and up. Even pet food prices go up. Of course I don't expect them to keep prices like at level 1 prices. But paying 100 gold and getting 1 guild...I forgot what it was...guild heart...you know that thing you can then use to buy 100 bags or refill resources with 10 of those. Anyway 100 gold for 1...fair enough. 100k for 1.....no...no. If they gonna upscale price on that,then they need to upscale reward on that as well.

Again I still love the game. At start I just got gems left and right...without paying for them. Level 32 now....everything has settled down now. Just the way I like it. Slow and steady. Well the pricing still bothers me...but it is what it is. I don't regret giving them those 3-4€, but more than that for me this game isn't worth it.

[BIT Bear]

Well, you kind of explained the core gameplay loop. The higher your recipes get the more money you are being paid out for them. Market generally pays more because ppl are lazy and they have their own ways to make more money or use the items for (quick) exp.

So, because your recipes earn more money the investments in the city also rise. This promotes teamplay and having multiple people in your town diverse their investments.
The guild bags are pure rng incentives that vary between total garbage and major money/power boosters. But generally I can recommend going for them as much as possible regardless.

Also regarding my turning gems into gold strategy; that has about a max worth of 200m (but probably less) after that there are better sources to put your gems in. (mainly events)