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I played Castlevania 3 like 4 years ago and I am in my mid 20s. There is no nostalgia there. You have no idea what you are talking about.
I've played nearly all classicvanias for first time just few years ago and without being brainwashed by nostalgia I can tell that CIII was far from perfect mostly because how it was bloated with junk bossfights. Sure, not even close to simon quest tier of terrible bossfights but still it massively dragged down whole expierience. I've finished both japanese gigachad and american virgin versions.
Rondo of Blood was apogeum of classicvanias imo
It does. This doesn't mean that CotM is terrible and shouldn't be played. This series is as close to classic NES Castlevania as it's going to get. The mechanics and bosses are all improved to modernize the gameplay a bit.
No game will be better than Castlevania 3 because of your nostalgia.
Exactly. If you can't handle anything that doesn't live up to a classic then maybe this genre isn't for you.
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I played Castlevania 3 like 4 years ago and I am in my mid 20s. There is no nostalgia there. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Then your statement doesn't make sense. Why does this game have to be as good as CV3 in order for you to play it? Bringing up CV3 only matters to the discussion if you have nostalgia for it.
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I can tell that CIII was far from perfect mostly because how it was bloated with junk bossfights.
Oh stop it. No one said that at the time. It was impressive how massive the game was. We went from five stages in the first game to over 10 in the sequel and with multiple paths and multiple characters to switch on the fly. Games weren't doing that stuff back then.
Sure, not even close to simon quest tier of terrible bossfights but still it massively dragged down whole expierience.
How does having far more bossfights and with more variety than CV1 and CV2 "drag down" the experience? The game was a huge step for the series.
I've finished both japanese gigachad and american virgin versions.
Nice resume but who f***ing cares? This doesn't help make your opinion make sense.
And are you going with the "I've played a lot of games so my opinion is more right" argument here? That never goes well.
Rondo of Blood was apogeum of classicvanias imo
And a majority of the fanbase never got to play it until years later.
WTF
Why does he need nostalgia to compare the game to one that is arguably one of the greatest in the gender? The only thing that doesn't make sense is you.
Yes, and that's a nostalgia-ridden statement since you're lumping ALL modern games into one group and that's a laughable and stupid contention. There are plenty of modern games that match up to and exceed the classics, especially in this genre.
You can't take issue with me calling out your nostalgia and then make some grand statement about no modern game will ever match up to the classics. This invalidates your opinion of CotM since you clearly were never going to give the game a chance since you believe it won't match up before even trying it.
>I don't think it has to be AS good as CV3 to be worth playing, but my original post stating that COTM 1 not coming anywhere close to the quality of CV3,
Yes, but that statement makes no sense. You also didn't site any examples from any game of why it's "not close." CotM's bosses are better, the mechanics are better, the side characters are better, the side weapons are better, and the extra content and bosses are certainly all better. Which part of CotM is "not even close?" You didn't explain any of this and just made some grand statement that explains nothing. This isn't commentary on CotM since you didn't talk about CotM. This is commentary on your nostalgia.
>When I finished COTM 1, I wished that I had just replayed CV3
As I stated in my first post, it's clear you're going to feel that way if you play ANY game of this genre so you may as well not bother with them. You have CV3 stuffed so far up your ass that you'll never enjoy anything else. Like I said, nothing of what you're saying has to do with CotM at all. I'm not even sure if you've actually played it at this point.
>WTF
Why does he need nostalgia to compare the game to one that is arguably one of the greatest in the gender? The only thing that doesn't make sense is you.
Because he's obsessed with CV3 and it's ruining his enjoyment of everything else. Try to read the question you quote first.
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>Its better than CV3 i dont know what you people are smoking.
If someone says CV3 is better that's fine but this idea of how CotM "isn't even close" is clearly just someone stating hyperbole for the sake of effect. Probably just to troll all the young whippersnappers who like newer games.
What the hell is wrong with you? No one here is blinded by nostalgia or anything, OP is simply asking whether CotM 2 has better level design than CotM 1. He brought up Castlevania 3 as a reference point since it's of the exact same genre and is, in his opinion, much more well made. There's no need for OP to write an essay on why it's better, because that's not the point.
Dude I am comparing COTM 1 to CV 3. I never said all modern games vs all classic games.
>"You can't take issue with me calling out your nostalgia and then make some grand statement about no modern game will ever match up to the classics. This invalidates your opinion of CotM since you clearly were never going to give the game a chance since you believe it won't match up before even trying it."
I never said that modern games can't catch up to the classics and I don't have nostalgia for a game I played 4 years ago in my 20s. I had every hope COTM 1 would be just as good as CV3.
>"Yes, but that statement makes no sense. You also didn't site any examples from any game of why it's "not close." CotM's bosses are better, the mechanics are better, the side characters are better, the side weapons are better, and the extra content and bosses are certainly all better. Which part of CotM is "not even close?" You didn't explain any of this and just made some grand statement that explains nothing. This isn't commentary on CotM since you didn't talk about CotM. This is commentary on your nostalgia."
I am sure there are people who think COTM 1 is better for a variety of reasons including level design, and that is fine. I didn't start this thread to write an essay about my opinions on CV3 vs COTM 1. I explained my opinions of existing games in the genre because I was hoping that someone who shares my opinions on games in this genre (that CV3 is a lot better than COTM 1, mainly due to level design) would come in and say whether or not COTM 2 improved on COTM 1 in their opinion. Someone of this type giving me their opinion would be more valuable to me because I am more likely to share my tastes with them when it comes to the genre. Someone telling me that COTM 2 is really good who also says that COTM 1 was good wouldn't be as helpful to me because we don't share similar tastes on what makes this genre is good. It's fine if someone has that opinion, but it wouldn't be helpful for the purpose of this thread.
>"As I stated in my first post, it's clear you're going to feel that way if you play ANY game of this genre so you may as well not bother with them. You have CV3 stuffed so far up your ass that you'll never enjoy anything else. Like I said, nothing of what you're saying has to do with CotM at all. I'm not even sure if you've actually played it at this point."
I enjoy modern games here or there. Some of my favorite games are relatively modern. If I were to make a favorite 20 games list, I think it would be well distributed across gens 4-9. I don't have CV 3 stuffed up my ass. I just think it was the best executed classicvania style game by far. (There aren't many in this genre to begin with either) It has nothing to do with nostalgia (Again, I played it 4 years ago), it being retro, or some ulterior motive. For you, Is there really no game from any genre in your mind that stands tall above the rest? Why is it a crime for me to think CVIII is by far the best classicvania?
On spot. Why can't my opinion be genuine?
He said a hell of a lot more than that. But it's really nice of you to make excuses for him.
Also, it's a bad question. We have no idea what he thought didn't work in CotM1 compared to CV3 so we have no f***ing clue if CotM2 would be "better" in his mind. Better at what? Like I've said repeatedly, OP elaborates on nothing.
>He brought up Castlevania 3 as a reference point since it's of the exact same genre and is, in his opinion, much more well made.
A nonsensical opinion and I explained why it's nonsensical. And one he doesn't go into detail over. He just hides behind the victim act of "I can't have my own opinion??" rather than wanting to defend how bad it is.
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>I am sure there are people who think COTM 1 is better for a variety of reasons including level design, and that is fine.
It is. Because they actually site specific things it does better. You don't. Just say it's "by far" better says nothing and makes no sense. What is "far better" in CV3 compared to CotM? And I don't want a thing of things you like more...I want things that are "far better." You'll be hard-pressed to find anything outside of your own fandom for it. The fact that you refuse to elaborate on this tells me you didn't think the opinion through.
>I don't have CV 3 stuffed up my ass. I just think it was the best executed classicvania style game by far. (There aren't many in this genre to begin with either)
There's not a lot of stage-based action platformers? Are you crazy? The genre is filled with them. I just played Slain Back from Hell a few weeks ago and it's absolutely like all the classic side-scrollers we grew up with. All this tells me is you're a bit sheltered on the subject. To say CV3 is great is one thing...to act like it's original is another. Side-scrollers were easily the biggest genre at the time and CV was one of many.
>Why is it a crime for me to think CVIII is by far the best classicvania?
Because the phrase "by far" is hyperbole and it makes it look like a fanboy statement. There is no game in this genre that is "by far" better than all the others since there are so many of all types.
Also, please stop calling it "classicvania," whatever that means. The game is called Castlevania and it's not its own genre. I'm not even sure what you're comparing when you drop that qualifier. Is this just counting side-scrolling Castlevanias and CotM? This doesn't seem like a large list so perhaps my mistake is thinking you're comparing to CV3 to more games than you actually are.
All you did was attack ancillary points that I made in my post, most of which cannot be properly addressed if you ignored the main point. If you still don't even understand WHY I made the OP or have said certain things, despite me extensively describing why, its no wonder you don't understand why people are calling you out.
To help with your confusion on the term "classicvania": If you don't know, the Castlevania franchise became a metroidvania genre series later in its life. Classicvania distinguishes the original style of Castlevania that includes 1,3 ROB and some others. Classicvania is also used as a semi-known term of art to refer to games that are actually similar to the old castlevanias on a mechanical level. A sub-genre that is quite sparse. Believe it or not, some people try to group up games beyond superficial qualities like "side-scroller".
You never really described why COTM 1 has better qualties than C3 as you claim you did, btw. All you did was make conclusory statements that the bosses, side weapons, characters, extra content were better in COTM 1 than in C3. This is no different from me making a conclusory statement that the level design in C3 is better than COTM 1. And BTW, I do think the bosses, side weapons, and characters are all better in C3 than in COTM 1, but that was never point of this thread.
But I will explain again, the whole point of me referencing Castlevania 3 was to invite people with similar existing opinions on C3 and COTM 1 to share their thoughts on COTM 2. I never created this post to assert that C3 is objectively better than COTM 1 or to debate with COTM 1 fans that C3 is better. I just wanted to know how people with similar opinions as me on C3 and COTM 1, thought of COTM2. I don't need to justify my opinions for this reason. Any genuine and thoughtful analysis on the level design, (or bosses, side weapons, and characters that you brought up) would take several pages of writing and hours of study, which is not warranted when all I wanted was opinions on COTM 2 from people who shared my opinions on C3 and COTM 1.