are relics a big deal? should I rely on them?

[Professor14K]

I don't really get the importance of relics. I understand how they work but I don't know if they are really worth looking the map for them. Yes some relics are a game changer but it seems tedious to get them before fighting bosses everytime.

Im on NG+1 and I don't really rely on them for bosses since they disappear if I lock the world and lose to a boss.

What's the strategy here for relics in this game?

[Canman]

Yeah, I played the same way you did. When you start getting around NG+7 and beyond, relics become more important in order to stack enough health and damage to make it through some of the prime bosses (by then, you'll probably be able to do the normal bosses more or less hitless). Also, you'll be closer to running the entire dungeon in a single try, so you won't feel like you're grinding to get them.

I didn't even have enough resolve until later NG+ games to take more than one relic per run any way.

[Professor14K]

Originally posted by Canman:

Yeah, I played the same way you did. When you start getting around NG+7 and beyond, relics become more important in order to stack enough health and damage to make it through some of the prime bosses (by then, you'll probably be able to do the normal bosses more or less hitless). Also, you'll be closer to running the entire dungeon in a single try, so you won't feel like you're grinding to get them.

I didn't even have enough resolve until later NG+ games to take more than one relic per run any way.

If relics are mandatory to have in higher NG+ then I might quit playing tbh. the idea of spending 30 mins or more for hunting relics evertime I fight a boss is unbearable for me. especially since I take several attempts to beat a boos. that's a lot of time to be spent on relics hunting and figuring out the way to boss throne.

I hope I am misunderstanding it because i really have a good time playing this game and I want to play more but the relic system is exhausting and makes me thinking of quitting.

[Dark]

they aren't mandatory, but they become usable in later NG when you have the resolve to actually use them and are more likely to do full clears or clear several bosses on the same thread. Whether you do bosses as you find them, or clear to all boss areas and then do a boss rush after clearing the rest of the castle is up to you. You can still kill bosses without relics on a fresh hero as well.

You are still going to be hunting for chest and blue prints and materials on each run anyway, so you pick up the relics when you can. You end up with 350% resolve and even if you take every relic you find, still don't fall below the 100% threshold sometimes.

Also, to simplify. If you are focused STR, then get war drums and then whatever else. If you are INT, get what ever feels fun.

[FDru]

If you can't stand hunting the castle for relics then you aren't gonna like farming the castle for gold, which is required to progress anyway (unless your skills are god-tier).

It's basically like this: if you need castle upgrades to continue progressing then you're going to get relics anyway so you might as well figure out which ones are good and learn to love them.

[LiteYear]

There are definitely classes that benefit more form relics than others (I find Gunslinger is a class that really could use a few relics). I'd still probably look through the first area for them, as there is two guaranteed relic rooms, and usually another one. However, as I get later into the game, I'd rather find fruits over relics.

[CJones]

Originally posted by Professor14K:

Im on NG+1 and I don't really rely on them for bosses since they disappear if I lock the world and lose to a boss.

Wait, really? Guess I never tried, but that seems like some BS. Why shouldn't you be able to collect it again? It's not like it carries over to the next character.

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

I just hit NG+7 and i have like 320% resolve on top of 650/950 weight. AND i foten get 2-4 talent change shops throughout the world so i get another 40-80% during game.

There's usually 2-3 in the first area, 2-3 in the second area, 3 guaranteed + maybe 2 in the 3rd area, 2 quaranteed and maybe another 2 in the 4th area, 1-3 in the 5th area and 1-3 in the 6th area, so i can spend resolve on relics like crazy throughout a whole run.

Depending on the class and weapon, different relics work for different builds, typically i try to aim for crit chance, crit damage, war drums, and then everything thats under 30% so i can boost war drums, try to get 2-4 wardrums tbh, the bone for 30% max hp is good, but i typically find on average 5 fruits per game and i currently heal for 155hp per kill with both 5's on the runes.

TBH getting overcharged mana and magic damage on a hero that has prismatic is one of my fav builds for aoe dots. But hephastus hammer + wings + sequet stinger + amaterasu is also godmode dps.

Another good build is getting 5s of invincibility and 3+ stacks of 100% bonus dmg during invincibility.

So yeah, RELICS are good.

[Zeforas]

Relics are OP. You can easily double or even triple your damage when you go high enough in NG+7 and beyond.

[Stanis23]

Int heavy chars are a bit more reliant on relics I think since their normal attack not as strong while int boosts magic damage from relics instead.

Soul Tether pretty much can wipe the screen with a click and even more so if can stack. Even stuff like Voltaic Circ would help out with DPS a lot, and a single Freon's Reward would provide enough healing for me to run through the entire game without dropping low ever.

But yeah, relics are OP, just a bit unreliable but with max 10 rerolls it should narrow down quite a bit.

[Professor14K]

Originally posted by Lunatic Heretic:

I just hit NG+7 and i have like 320% resolve on top of 650/950 weight. AND i foten get 2-4 talent change shops throughout the world so i get another 40-80% during game.

There's usually 2-3 in the first area, 2-3 in the second area, 3 guaranteed + maybe 2 in the 3rd area, 2 quaranteed and maybe another 2 in the 4th area, 1-3 in the 5th area and 1-3 in the 6th area, so i can spend resolve on relics like crazy throughout a whole run.

Depending on the class and weapon, different relics work for different builds, typically i try to aim for crit chance, crit damage, war drums, and then everything thats under 30% so i can boost war drums, try to get 2-4 wardrums tbh, the bone for 30% max hp is good, but i typically find on average 5 fruits per game and i currently heal for 155hp per kill with both 5's on the runes.

TBH getting overcharged mana and magic damage on a hero that has prismatic is one of my fav builds for aoe dots. But hephastus hammer + wings + sequet stinger + amaterasu is also godmode dps.

Another good build is getting 5s of invincibility and 3+ stacks of 100% bonus dmg during invincibility.

So yeah, RELICS are good.

My only fear is that what if I die at one of the later bosses 5th, 6th or 8th. I will lose all the relics and fruits I gathered. Am I expected it to do it all over again for all the regions? if so, then what if I die multiple times at some bosses? So much time will be wasted on hunting relics and fruits. Im not sure I can play while keeping this in mind.

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

Originally posted by Professor14K:

Originally posted by Lunatic Heretic:

I just hit NG+7 and i have like 320% resolve on top of 650/950 weight. AND i foten get 2-4 talent change shops throughout the world so i get another 40-80% during game.

There's usually 2-3 in the first area, 2-3 in the second area, 3 guaranteed + maybe 2 in the 3rd area, 2 quaranteed and maybe another 2 in the 4th area, 1-3 in the 5th area and 1-3 in the 6th area, so i can spend resolve on relics like crazy throughout a whole run.

Depending on the class and weapon, different relics work for different builds, typically i try to aim for crit chance, crit damage, war drums, and then everything thats under 30% so i can boost war drums, try to get 2-4 wardrums tbh, the bone for 30% max hp is good, but i typically find on average 5 fruits per game and i currently heal for 155hp per kill with both 5's on the runes.

TBH getting overcharged mana and magic damage on a hero that has prismatic is one of my fav builds for aoe dots. But hephastus hammer + wings + sequet stinger + amaterasu is also godmode dps.

Another good build is getting 5s of invincibility and 3+ stacks of 100% bonus dmg during invincibility.

So yeah, RELICS are good.

My only fear is that what if I die at one of the later bosses 5th, 6th or 8th. I will lose all the relics and fruits I gathered. Am I expected it to do it all over again for all the regions? if so, then what if I die multiple times at some bosses? So much time will be wasted on hunting relics and fruits. Im not sure I can play while keeping this in mind.

Thats why i suggest to everyone that when you start a fresh run, just aim to clear every room and discover every room in each biome, that way you clear all 6 areas, have 3-7 fruit, having spent 200-300 resolve on relics for your build and maybe even changed talents 1-4 times for more relic resolve, THEN clear the bosses while your suped up.

[Professor14K]

Originally posted by Lunatic Heretic:

Originally posted by Professor14K:

My only fear is that what if I die at one of the later bosses 5th, 6th or 8th. I will lose all the relics and fruits I gathered. Am I expected it to do it all over again for all the regions? if so, then what if I die multiple times at some bosses? So much time will be wasted on hunting relics and fruits. Im not sure I can play while keeping this in mind.

Thats why i suggest to everyone that when you start a fresh run, just aim to clear every room and discover every room in each biome, that way you clear all 6 areas, have 3-7 fruit, having spent 200-300 resolve on relics for your build and maybe even changed talents 1-4 times for more relic resolve, THEN clear the bosses while your suped up.

this really sound like a smart plan. Clear all areas first then do bosses second. This will ensure I will have broken build and less likely to die.

thanks for the advice. but what about the snowy biome? is's locked behind the skeleton boss. how to approach this situation? should I beat skeleton as the first boss after clearing other areas?

[LiteYear]

There's a semi-secret passage on the right-most platforms with a prompt telling you you can get past the gate. Go into the wall and there's another prompt with a one-way path that'll put you beyond the gate.

[Professor14K]

Originally posted by LiteYear:

There's a semi-secret passage on the right-most platforms with a prompt telling you you can get past the gate. Go into the wall and there's another prompt with a one-way path that'll put you beyond the gate.

thanks. didnt know that was possible.

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

Everyones different and probably chose castle upgrades differently but, i specced the gold gains, weight, and weapon damage out asap, with high strength (currently 470) and some intelligence (about 150) i use both the lifesteal and soulsteal runes both at rank5 and i heal for around 255hp per kill, so i don't have to worry about dying against regular mobs, at best a room full of commander tier 3's and an invulnerable buffer is the biggest issue.

So i typically have between 160-300% gold gain and 280-320% resolve at the start of a run, full clear the entire world and then go on a boss run.

By the time i start on bosses, i'm already hitting around 1k dmg non crit, having 2-4k hp and can just powerhouse through them, even getting down to 100hp left on the win, i just fully heal upon entering the next throne anyway.