One question they have not yet answered, as far as I know, is whether all the official FS2020 missions will also be a part of 2024. So bush trips etc.

Why this matters?
Many users will still have bush trips and other missions unfinished. Because there are a lot of them. So to both update to FS24 and keep flying the FS20 missions, they would have to have both of them installed at the same time. Which however would require a lot of space. And many modern SSDs just don't have that.

Ursprungligen skrivet av InfoSoph:

One question they have not yet answered, as far as I know, is whether all the official FS2020 missions will also be a part of 2024. So bush trips etc.

Why this matters?
Many users will still have bush trips and other missions unfinished. Because there are a lot of them. So to both update to FS24 and keep flying the FS20 missions, they would have to have both of them installed at the same time. Which however would require a lot of space. And many modern SSDs just don't have that.

Most of modern SSDs have more than enough space for bot MSFS games at the same time.
Most users might not have the space but it's not SSDs problem.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eleni:

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheMole:

The fans are already parrotting: "Can't you read??? Everything will work with the new game!!!"

Everything? And for how long?
And how about all the third party add-ons I have bought?

I know it from other games, and if certain things cannot be used or soon aren't supported anymore, the same people will be parrotting: "That was clear from the beginning! Can't you read???"

So when 2024 comes out, we will lose any support for 2020 in a short while. That's pretty clear.
No new DLCs will come out for 2020, so if you want new stuff, you MUST switch.

I think this is the way it will go from now on.
Switch to the next version every 4 or 3 or 5 years and keep going.

It's a hidden subscription - which might be fine.

But it annoys me that they do all this to give the illusion that nobody needs to switch.
Just make one working and flourishing game and I will gladly buy new DLCs and even pay yearly sums to keep things going.
Just be honest and transparent.

Again, their QnA answered Your question about Third Party Addons

"Will all purchases users have made from the Marketplace be transferrable to the new simulator?

With very few exceptions, virtually all add-ons that work in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) today will function in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. Add-ons that were purchased from the in-simulator Marketplace will not need to be re-purchased in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024."

Also info about MSFS 2020 is also very clear
"What kind of support can Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) players expect to see once Flight Simulator 2024 has been released?

We will continue to deliver our Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) Roadmap which has content ranging from Aircraft and Avionics Updates, Sim Updates, City and World Updates, and also the free Dune DLC. We will continue to support Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) post the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 launch."

It is they way it will go from now on?
Go to Wikipedia of Microsoft Flight Simulator Series and see how older versions were released every 2/3 years.
It's nothing new.

You said nothing that contradicts anything I've written.

I am not a big fan of paying as well but guys: it's a least 7 new planes (A400M, A330, BelugaXL, B38M, CL415 ,SF50, DHC-6 which will be included)
> only this would cost 150-250$ on the marketplace (some planes pro levels are usd 60 just 1)

+ several new helicopters (H125, skycrane, ...)
+ many graphical improvments (+30 biomes, more detailed airports, ground improvments, ...)
+ aerial / by sea traffic
+ improved physics (wake turbulence for eg)
+ hot air ballons
+ career mode

And this not for $500 but for $60-100 which is for sure an investments but honestly, even a new opus is released in 2028 it's 20$ a year, just 2$ a month (same price than a bus ticket)

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheMole:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eleni:

Again, their QnA answered Your question about Third Party Addons

"Will all purchases users have made from the Marketplace be transferrable to the new simulator?

With very few exceptions, virtually all add-ons that work in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) today will function in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. Add-ons that were purchased from the in-simulator Marketplace will not need to be re-purchased in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024."

Also info about MSFS 2020 is also very clear
"What kind of support can Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) players expect to see once Flight Simulator 2024 has been released?

We will continue to deliver our Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) Roadmap which has content ranging from Aircraft and Avionics Updates, Sim Updates, City and World Updates, and also the free Dune DLC. We will continue to support Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) post the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 launch."

It is they way it will go from now on?
Go to Wikipedia of Microsoft Flight Simulator Series and see how older versions were released every 2/3 years.
It's nothing new.

You said nothing that contradicts anything I've written.

I did. You said they should be honest and transparent. They were.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eleni:

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheMole:

You said nothing that contradicts anything I've written.

I did. You said they should be honest and transparent. They were.

I saw an interview (From HeliSimmer) on FlightSimExpo 2024 where they're already sort of crawling back on their word. "It is difficult, they're testing but they don't know for sure. Our target is for it to fully work but we don't really know. We'll do our best".

And that is why it's fully just that people are sceptical. Don't defend a company blindly until you actually have the product on your system. They don't know just like we don't know. QnA's and FAQ's don't mean nothing until it's launched.

Personally I'm not going to be their beta tester when it releases.

Haha, can't show off a viable prototype mid-June, thinks we're stupid enough to believe in a playable release five months later. Took you how long to do basic QA for a simple update after you decided to finally actually do QA four years in?

Ursprungligen skrivet av Laurreth:

Haha, can't show off a viable prototype mid-June, thinks we're stupid enough to believe in a playable release five months later. Took you how long to do basic QA for a simple update after you decided to finally actually do QA four years in?

What do You mean? They made QnA right after they announced MSFS 2024. I do not think they made any QnA for MSFS 2020.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eleni:

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheMole:

You said nothing that contradicts anything I've written.

I did. You said they should be honest and transparent. They were.

You are all over these forums repeating what the company claimed.

I made clear that I doubt their true intention of a subscription service - which WOULD BE OKAY if they were honest and transparent.

I really wonder what dog you have running in this race.

You just repeat the two points they made:
- "Everything will cross over to the next version."
(But you even add an "almost everything" - which makes the whole claim ridiculous.
- "We will keep supporting 2020."
(But nobody says for how long!)

No offense, but I would really like to know why you are so actively defensive against valid doubts of players.
Why do you keep repeating, keep repeating, keep repeating what the company said to defend against the common and realistic concerns people have and discuss here?

What is your agenda?

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheDude1972:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eleni:

I did. You said they should be honest and transparent. They were.

I saw an interview (From HeliSimmer) on FlightSimExpo 2024 where they're already sort of crawling back on their word. "It is difficult, they're testing but they don't know for sure. Our target is for it to fully work but we don't really know. We'll do our best".

And that is why it's fully just that people are sceptical. Don't defend a company blindly until you actually have the product on your system. They don't know just like we don't know. QnA's and FAQ's don't mean nothing until it's launched.

Personally I'm not going to be their beta tester when it releases.

This is not what they said. Like, at all.

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheMole:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eleni:

I did. You said they should be honest and transparent. They were.

You are all over these forums repeating what the company claimed.

I made clear that I doubt their true intention of a subscription service - which WOULD BE OKAY if they were honest and transparent.

I really wonder what dog you have running in this race.

You just repeat the two points they made:
- "Everything will cross over to the next version."
(But you even add an "almost everything" - which makes the whole claim ridiculous.
- "We will keep supporting 2020."
(But nobody says for how long!)

No offense, but I would really like to know why you are so actively defensive against valid doubts of players.
Why do you keep repeating, keep repeating, keep repeating what the company said to defend against the common and realistic concerns people have and discuss here?

What is your agenda?

"All over these forums".
You mean like here? And under one more post I think? Yeah okay buddy.
How is that a subscription service? Where is the subscription?
You made that scenario up in Your mind, lmao.

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheMole:

Ursprungligen skrivet av RobertLemonseed:

It looks very good, but I am disappointed it's a completely separate game.

I'm not a dedicated gamer with big spending budget, so I am very selective about the games I buy. I purchased MSFS 2020 because it looked like a solid investment that will be updated with new content for many, many years. With release of MSFS 2024, it looks like a typical "big company screwing over small customer for profit" move.

If this was a paid GBP 20-30 DLC , I would buy it. Otherwise - why would I pay the same full price AGAIN for what simply looks like an extra game play "enhanced" version of already existing game/simulator? Then what do I do with MSFS 2020? Simply delete it???

Maybe there's something I don't understand; but if it is what it is, I know I'm just shouting in a void. Least I can learn from this experience, is never buy a full price product.

The fans are already parrotting: "Can't you read??? Everything will work with the new game!!!"

Everything? And for how long?
And how about all the third party add-ons I have bought?

I know it from other games, and if certain things cannot be used or soon aren't supported anymore, the same people will be parrotting: "That was clear from the beginning! Can't you read???"

So when 2024 comes out, we will lose any support for 2020 in a short while. That's pretty clear.
No new DLCs will come out for 2020, so if you want new stuff, you MUST switch.

I think this is the way it will go from now on.
Switch to the next version every 4 or 3 or 5 years and keep going.

It's a hidden subscription - which might be fine.

But it annoys me that they do all this to give the illusion that nobody needs to switch.
Just make one working and flourishing game and I will gladly buy new DLCs and even pay yearly sums to keep things going.
Just be honest and transparent.

ye I agree, and i left a couple of Msg´s saying exactly that but somehow 2 users fell on me right away one of them is the same who was very disturbed with your comment Eleni right? (i even think these users are associated with MS itself) saying exactly that "cant you read?? it will be compatible durpi durped di durp, read before you post something like that") almost insulting me like i would be a 12 year old with some brain issues, i ended up deleting my main MSG´s, but if you go back you will see one of these users using my quote and answering more politely because i told him in the previous msg "well if most of the addons will work like PMDG etc.. well...looks like i will need to have now 2 simulators because obviously every Sim fan loves the best thing" he was answering "oh yes dont worry bla bla bla i though the same at the beginning but is the same engine durpi durped" Everyone with 2 inches of forehead knows this is a Scam, if is really the same engine they could have done an expansion pack like in the good old days for 30..even 40 bucks, but no no no they want you to pay again the full price of the same game with some extra features like career or missions for full price 100 bucks, the performance will be the same sh$%&, with 45years old i cant fell into these scam hypes anymore, i remember even to use in the MSG the word Boycott because it is what MS deserves, i have spent surely more than a thousand bucks in the store...Jezzz is way more i just dont wanna face reality, and now we will have 2 platforms of MSFS just in a period of 4 years thats disgusting..ye is the right word since we are talking surely billions of profit with millions of users, its a disgrace and now since im so much in DCS i dont think i will buy it, after 3500h of MSFS and trying DCS i never touched MS again you can see in my channel, F that. Look at GTA5 perfect example how things are done, great Core engine well thought and it lasted more than 10 years and now they are thinking to move to GTA6 and its ok, Games like MSFS cant do that, people have their setups addons, mods etc.. and now is almost starting all over again, why in the world they didn't do an expansion if the Engine is the same? at least for those who spent so much already in it? yes just like you said this is a hidden subscription, im pretty Mad...and there are already many people with boycott in mind i wouldn't have a problem to jump into that train

Ursprungligen skrivet av TheMole:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Eleni:

I did. You said they should be honest and transparent. They were.

You are all over these forums repeating what the company claimed.

I made clear that I doubt their true intention of a subscription service - which WOULD BE OKAY if they were honest and transparent.

I really wonder what dog you have running in this race.

You just repeat the two points they made:
- "Everything will cross over to the next version."
(But you even add an "almost everything" - which makes the whole claim ridiculous.
- "We will keep supporting 2020."
(But nobody says for how long!)

No offense, but I would really like to know why you are so actively defensive against valid doubts of players.
Why do you keep repeating, keep repeating, keep repeating what the company said to defend against the common and realistic concerns people have and discuss here?

What is your agenda?

WELL SAID BROTHER!! dont even feed the idea of a subscription otherwise they will do something that we will be grabbed by the B$%&S with a monthly fee of 15 euros, MSFS isn't iRacing where you have a completely different simulation style with other players..Racing, with Daily Events, Reputation boards, prestige, career and so much more, MSFS is just fly to point A to Point B, just real Enthusiasts like us ended up buying this type of game, in DCS many people are beginning to boycott and the developers are beginning to be more "generous" or Humble, people are fed up with greedy developers period, let the system be the same 1 time payment and obviously a store to make money on the side...well to make.....a lot of money on the side, but you just took the words out of my mouth "What is your agenda?" LMAO

Lol, the good old days. I wonder, what were the good old days of Microsoft Flight Simulator like? Let's go back and look at the good old days!

MSFS 1.0 - '82
MSFS 2.0 - '84
MSFS 3.0 - '88
MSFS 4.0 - '89

Holy moly! Four releases in a single decade!

MSFS 5.0 - '93
MSFS 95 - '96
MSFS 98 - '97
MSFS 2K - '99

Gotdang! Another four releases in a decade!

MSFS '02 - '01
MSFS '04 - '03 (Expansion Pack alert!)
MSFS X - '06 (Expansion Pack alert!)

Wowzers! Going back to MSFS 2K, that's four release (or six if you include the expansions) in eight years!

MSFS - '20
MSFS '24 - '24

What did we learn here? Well, we learned that Microsoft used to pump these babies out in hardly any time at all. A release every two or three years was the standard pace for much of the original sim line's existence. So despite all of the whinging that Microsoft has somehow picked up the pace and is rushing 2024 out the door, the four years in between 2020 and 2024 is actually only the second time that there's been a four-year gap in between releases. And only two sims in this series have ever received full-fledged expansion packs!

TL;DR: Stop rewriting history. The release cadence of MSFS in the past does not support your argument and Microsoft has a noted history of preferring full releases over expansion packs.

Ursprungligen skrivet av IndigoAK:

Lol, the good old days. I wonder, what were the good old days of Microsoft Flight Simulator like? Let's go back and look at the good old days!

MSFS 1.0 - '82
MSFS 2.0 - '84
MSFS 3.0 - '88
MSFS 4.0 - '89

Holy moly! Four releases in a single decade!

MSFS 5.0 - '93
MSFS 95 - '96
MSFS 98 - '97
MSFS 2K - '99

Gotdang! Another four releases in a decade!

MSFS '02 - '01
MSFS '04 - '03 (Expansion Pack alert!)
MSFS X - '06 (Expansion Pack alert!)

Wowzers! Going back to MSFS 2K, that's four release (or six if you include the expansions) in eight years!

MSFS - '20
MSFS '24 - '24

What did we learn here? Well, we learned that Microsoft used to pump these babies out in hardly any time at all. A release every two or three years was the standard pace for much of the original sim line's existence. So despite all of the whinging that Microsoft has somehow picked up the pace and is rushing 2024 out the door, the four years in between 2020 and 2024 is actually only the second time that there's been a four-year gap in between releases. And only two sims in this series have ever received full-fledged expansion packs!

TL;DR: Stop rewriting history. The release cadence of MSFS in the past does not support your argument and Microsoft has a noted history of preferring full releases over expansion packs.

oh...your research was quick, but you forgot MSFS only started to have relevance with the 2004 version and then with the X version , the previous versions no one even remembers, just a few "aficionados" would remember those versions, The big leap was the FSX version that lasted 15 years and was very successful "has you know", right? I don't understand the relevance of your research because very old versions of MSFS were being changed frequently because the operating systems were undergoing in great development (and that was wonderful), thats is, from FSX to MSFS 2020 it took 14 years, and now you want us to have a Simulator every 4 years? or even if it is every 5 years? I'm sure your father is the one who buys you the Simulator because if you feel the work and how life isn't cheap, you couldn't be in favor of something that doesn't make much sense even though the trailer is beautiful, but then you install it and you'll get the conclusion that the graphics, despite some small improvements, are basically the same. Don't you think Microsoft could have done a good expansion, they themselves are the ones who say the engine is the same, if the engine is the same an expansion with all the improvements, including career, better trees etc.. would be possible. Yes the good old days they were less greedy..thats a fact because i lived it! Since my first computer when i was 6 the ZX spectrum 48k,or comodore amiga 2000