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Witcher Dec 5, 2024 @ 1:44am
IFR VTBS & VTBD Kaput
Some of us know IFR flight plan from/to VTBS doesn't include Rwy, SID or STAR.

This issue has somehow affected VTBD Don Mueng too in a different way. Whilst Rwy SID/STAR are available in World Map for IFR, no Ext Pwr is available on the ground unless non-IFR is plotted. I have spent hours tweaking GSX Pro, etc. and have found Ext Pwr is available at VTBD or VTBS where IFR flight is NOT plotted in World Map - go figure :steamsad:
Last edited by Witcher; Dec 5, 2024 @ 12:48pm
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NöSTer Dec 5, 2024 @ 6:25am 
What does "IFR" "VTBS" "VTBD" "Caput" "Rwy" "SID/STAR" "GSX Pro" "Ext Pwr" mean, yoiur post is like gibberish.
Narf Dec 5, 2024 @ 6:38am 
Originally posted by NöSTer:
What does "IFR" "VTBS" "VTBD" "Caput" "Rwy" "SID/STAR" "GSX Pro" "Ext Pwr" mean, yoiur post is like gibberish.
"Caput" is Witcher being unable to spell "kaputt" correctly, a German loanword meaning "broken", "GSX Pro" is a 3rd party addon for MSFS, the two "VTXX" are ICAO airport codes and the rest are all normal aviation terms that anybody being into this hobby for a bit would know,

As what Witcher is actually trying to communicate... not much, really. It's just an aimless rant which you can ignore.
★Macman★ Dec 5, 2024 @ 9:49am 
I may look at External Power on both Airports but what Plane was this? It rather puts me off these Airports until ASOBO stop being crap. I believe in reporting BUGS on here due to possibly being a solution if others do or do not experience it so it confirms our Game state. It is good to always provide FEEDBACK on here when MSFS 2020 Forum simply gets no comments, then gets closed after 1 month OR gets closed from ppl providing help which shames ASOBO. The shame is on them.
Witcher Dec 5, 2024 @ 12:47pm 
I fly the Horizon Sims Boeing 787-9. @Macman, can you check if you get same issue at VTBS or VTBD?
ZombieHunter Dec 5, 2024 @ 2:58pm 
What does "IFR" "VTBS" "VTBD" "Caput" "Rwy" "SID/STAR" "GSX Pro" "Ext Pwr" mean, yoiur post is like gibberish.

  • IFR - Instrument Flight Rules. Flight rules that always apply in class A airspace, >=18000 feet, or when the conditions (visibility and ceiling) are such that they do not meet VFR requirements for the airspace where the conditions are present. Note that the requirements differ by airspace and whether it is night or day.
    chrome-extension:/efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.faasafety.gov/files/gslac/courses/content/25/185/vfr%20weather%20minimums.pdf

  • VTBS - ICAO code for airport - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvarnabhumi_Airport

  • VTBD - ICAO code for airport - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Mueang_International_Airport

  • Caput - Slang for 'broken'

  • Rwy - Abbreviation for runway

  • SID / STAR - Standard Instrument Departure / Standard Terminal Arrival Route, common waypoints in the sky used to depart and arrive at airports. Allows efficient routing and familiar routing to / from major airports.

  • GSX Pro - Ground Services Pro add-on for FS 2020

  • Ext Pwr - External power. Larger aircraft and / or most jets require external power to startup and get everything turned on. Batteries are insufficient for this task. So ground services have ground power units that plug into the aircraft and supply power to get the aircraft systems and engines up and running.

    The alternative is to use an APU or Auxililary Power Unit which supplies power when the aircraft engines are not running. Not all aircraft have these.

    Most GA or General Aviation aircraft do not require external power, but there are some that are configured to make use of it should they choose to.
Last edited by ZombieHunter; Dec 5, 2024 @ 3:09pm
★Macman★ Dec 5, 2024 @ 3:12pm 
I will edit my feedback as I go on here: - Plane 787-10 (I do not have the -9)
VTBS>VTCC:
Simbrief shows only 2 Runways for VTBS 01L/19R & 01R/19L where as WORLD MAP shows 3 Runways with only one for 01R/19L & other are for 2+20 L/R. This is already a mess.
WORLD MAP does not draw SIDS after selecting any but STARS at VTCC do draw.
Plane does NOT load any SID due to being WORLD MAP only.

VTBD>VTCC:
No issues in WORLD MAP nor SIMBRIEF (this Plane does not Import this but says we can in Settings not found)
Plane is dropped onto the GATE by about 3ft and FSRealistic applauds for a minute.
GROUND POWER is "AVAIL" and no issues starting up.
ATC does not allow me to access CLEARANCE at HOLDING SHORT even though I used Assign To Co-Pilot without issues above.
Plane loads full SID and no other issues.

Perhaps this 787 HEAVY is not allowed to fly from here in the first instance as IRL as it is no longer the Longhaul International as before. It does not have a LARGE GATE due to this. SO that might match the dropping Plane at spawn at the Gate and you may need to have your Plane added on a compatible List due to yours being the 3rd Party -9 Variant. Try other Planes.

* I do not use GSX PRO.
Last edited by ★Macman★; Dec 5, 2024 @ 4:42pm
ZombieHunter Dec 5, 2024 @ 3:14pm 
Originally posted by ★Macman★:
I will edit my feedback as I go on here: -
VTBS>VTCC:
Simbrief shows only 2 Runways for VTBS 01L/19R & 01R/19L where as WORLD MAP shows 3 Runways with only one for 01R/19L & other are for 2+20 L/R. This is already a mess.
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Are all of those runways in service? It could be at the time of the AIRAC one or more of them were closed. We have fields here that are older that have multiple runways but only one of them is in use and the others are marked as closed. I guess they do not demolish them due to cost.

Here is one:
https://www.airnav.com/airport/M31

3 runways clear from the photo. But only 18 / 36 is in use. The others are closed.

I have noticed some Bing imagery showing yellow X's on runways that are currently in use and/or active. KBWG airport is completely messed up in FS 2020 both graphically and in ATC. ATC has it completely screwed up.
Last edited by ZombieHunter; Dec 5, 2024 @ 3:18pm
★Macman★ Dec 5, 2024 @ 3:18pm 
No the RUNWAYS do not match at all between WORLD MAP & SIMBRIEF. I am flying to VTBS this Monday IRL.
ZombieHunter Dec 5, 2024 @ 3:20pm 
Originally posted by ★Macman★:
No the RUNWAYS do not match at all between WORLD MAP & SIMBRIEF. I am flying to VTBS this Monday IRL.
I have seen this happen between FS 2020 and my charts on Garmin Pilot as well. All we can do is report it and hope it gets fixed. I've also had CTAF's for fields become AWOS or ASOS for fields that are so far away I should not even be able to receive from them. Then when you land, the CTAF works and is correct. But as soon as you takeoff, the CTAF becomes weather for some distant field.

There is an ILS approach for a an airport in the northeastern USA where the ILS for the runway does not line up with the runway at all. I ran into this twice. I had Maki do the flight and he swears it works, but I've been there twice and it was not correct.

Likewise there are many fields in FS 2020 that should have lights, but do not and some that have PCL but are dark in FS 2020 and since PCL is not working in FS 2020, they are unusable at night.
Last edited by ZombieHunter; Dec 5, 2024 @ 3:22pm
Witcher Dec 5, 2024 @ 6:13pm 
What frustrates me are:

1. Both airports worked fine until the last AIRAC update, and no one as Asobo seems to know why and no timeframe to resolve.

2. Many broken airports with jetways, taxiways and missing/incorrect Nav Aids, and Asobo doesn't consider these and many others as fundamental bugs.
Last edited by Witcher; Dec 5, 2024 @ 9:16pm
ZombieHunter Dec 5, 2024 @ 6:44pm 
Originally posted by Witcher:
What frustrates me are:

1. Both airports worked fine until the last AIRAC update, and no one as Asobo seems to know why and no timeframe to resolve.

2. Many broken airports with jetways, taxiways and missing/incorrect Nav Aids, and Asobo doesn't consider these another many others as fundamental bugs.
Many airports were broken on the last update.
Witcher Dec 5, 2024 @ 9:20pm 
Originally posted by ZombieHunter:
Originally posted by Witcher:
What frustrates me are:

1. Both airports worked fine until the last AIRAC update, and no one as Asobo seems to know why and no timeframe to resolve.

2. Many broken airports with jetways, taxiways and missing/incorrect Nav Aids, and Asobo doesn't consider these another many others as fundamental bugs.
Many airports were broken on the last update.

Indeed, and Asobo has released 2024 half baked again with trees in middle of runway, airports with no Nav Aids, etc. etc. They have a small army of white knights who will tell newbies to buy payware airports, aircrafts and subscribe to Navigraph or Beyond ATC. Sometimes I wonder if the white knights get freebies or kick backs out of these. Some have misled newbies to skip 2020 and buy 2024 - the smart ones learn and refund faster than "we told you so" :steammocking:
Witcher Dec 5, 2024 @ 10:21pm 
Originally posted by ★Macman★:
No the RUNWAYS do not match at all between WORLD MAP & SIMBRIEF. I am flying to VTBS this Monday IRL.

Indeed, does it require more than 3 days for default Map to read flight route from Simbrief or vice versa?

Forgot to mention after I flew VOR to VOR from VTBD to VTSP last night (cos that's the only way I could get the FMC to light up in my Dreamliner), I had to manually input RNAV 09 for arrival in FMC. When I was about to touch down on Rwy 09 at VTSP, game froze and shows Flight Sim as not responding in Win Tas Mgr. I wonder if the simmer on the ground see my Dreamliner frozen mid air or I just disappear
★Macman★ Dec 6, 2024 @ 1:07pm 
We wonder but I think your Plane changes stock files from the 787-10 and does not get updates. I avoid such Planes from any reviews given. Try other Planes but also try removing that Mod. Else it may have overwritten files in the Encrypted Files and need the 787-10 removed so it gets it back again as stock.
ZombieHunter Dec 6, 2024 @ 4:40pm 
I think there is a clear difference between a white knight and one who is just trying to be positive. We have had people here complain about things that are obviously well within their control to fix and or work around. However, we have also had people with legit complaints and I'd like to think we take those to heart and attempt to help or at least understand their position.

I must confess I do not understand the white knight mentality. Unless there is financial gain involved I have no idea why anyone would blindly white knight for any company. For me personally even if there was financial gain involved I would still not turn a blind eye to obvious issues.

But to tell people who paid anywhere from 70 to 200 for a game that does not work on their system or has tons of issues that stop them from enjoying the game that they are just haters shows a level of arrogance and smugness I just cannot agree with.

I don't think anyone is asking for perfection. But we are asking for quality. Quality is hard to judge but when you can start an application and within 5 minutes see an issue, I do not call that quality. I do not call that well tested. The steps to reproduce are not hard. It is these kinds of issues that really boggle my mind. Now if it is an issue where you must perform 10 steps to reproduce I kind of understand those being much more difficult to find and fix. But the issues we are talking about are in your face and happen ever single time you play the game. That just should not happen.
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