Cessna 152 Landing Tutorial Bug/Issue

[ColinM]

I'm using the Thrustmaster Warthog and attempting to perform the landing mission, I have been able to complete this, however I'm finding that the default configuration which the AI configures (as she mentions) is automatically overridden by my Thrustmaster throttle which means I have to work back toward the glidescope and 65 knots.

I'd propose that either
1. the default configuration is not overridden by a throttle and joystick configuration
2. a new landing training mission is created, similar to a DCS World style mission, where it shows checkpoints and maybe starts you a bit further out from the airport - by time the AI finishes talking and tells you that she's already configured the plane - it's too late and you're too high.

[margalus]

After you take control the training pilot is not controlling the craft. That is 100% on you to control everything. Nothing wrong with the tutorial.

[Sandhill]

Originally posted by margalus:

After you take control the training pilot is not controlling the craft. That is 100% on you to control everything. Nothing wrong with the tutorial.

Agreed, I don't think that the instructor configures anything.

[ColinM]

Originally posted by Sandhill:

Originally posted by margalus:

After you take control the training pilot is not controlling the craft. That is 100% on you to control everything. Nothing wrong with the tutorial.

Agreed, I don't think that the instructor configures anything.

The instructor states that she has preconfigured the aircraft's default configuration. My complaint is that the Warthog Throttle overwrites that default configuration (that she states she has put in place) and the training mission puts you too close to the runway to pick this up on the first attempt.

[margalus]

Originally posted by ColinM:

Originally posted by Sandhill:

Agreed, I don't think that the instructor configures anything.

The instructor states that she has preconfigured the aircraft's default configuration. My complaint is that the Warthog Throttle overwrites that default configuration and the training mission puts you too close to the runway to pick this up on the first attempt.

She has it configured, yes. But then she lets go of everything and expects you to keep it in that configuration. It's all on you after she give control over to you. And you are not too close to the runway.

[ColinM]

Originally posted by margalus:

Originally posted by ColinM:

The instructor states that she has preconfigured the aircraft's default configuration. My complaint is that the Warthog Throttle overwrites that default configuration and the training mission puts you too close to the runway to pick this up on the first attempt.

She has it configured, yes. But then she lets go of everything and expects you to keep it in that configuration. It's all on you after she give control over to you. And you are not too close to the runway.

Have you even read what I've written? The configuration is overridden automatically as soon as control is handed over which means if your throttle is 0 or 100 then you either lose or gain significant power, it is a guess at best (for any new player to this series, which these training missions are intended for) which position the throttle should be in for when control is automatically handed over.

And yes, you are too close to the runway for what is a training mission.

[margalus]

Originally posted by ColinM:

Originally posted by margalus:

She has it configured, yes. But then she lets go of everything and expects you to keep it in that configuration. It's all on you after she give control over to you. And you are not too close to the runway.

Have you even read what I've written? The configuration is overridden automatically as soon as control is handed over which means if your throttle is 0 or 100 then you either lose or gain significant power, it is a guess at best (for any new player to this series, which these training missions are intended for) which position the throttle should be in for when control is automatically handed over.

And yes, you are too close to the runway for what is a training tutorial.

Yes, I read what you wrote. And it is incorrect. It's up to you make sure that everything is maintained. It's very simple to adjust your throttle. Let me ask you this, How are you supposed to control the throttle if it stays at 50% power in game while your throttle is at 0? Think about it. And again, no, you are not too close to the airport. Everybody else managed this just fine.

[Sandhill]

She might pick a throttle and even flap setting before handing off to you, but it is then up to you to fly the aircraft by adjusting things as you'd like. As you become the pilot in charge, take charge

[Rookie-31st]

The game cannot move your throttle. The game will not re-calibrate it to match its position with in-game throttle. It's one of the drawbacks that has no workaround. As soon as you take control, move your throttle to proper position.

[ColinM]

I can't think of any game which would adjust your throttle so I wouldn't expect something like this.

Using DCS World as an example again, the training missions let you decide when you'd like to progress by pressing Space to continue, this allows you to take in the information and understand the scenario as well as reading the instruments. In the MSFS mission I found that control was handed over immediately and it's only after some analogy and light hearted comment that she tells you of the configuration, by which point it's too late.

I understand that it is up to me to fly the aircraft, I'm not new to flight sims. The mission needs to be more informative rather than throw you in too close to the runway, giving you some analogies and then giving you the main info when it's already too late.

[in memoriam of Sharky]

I have the warthog also but I haven't experienced any issue during these tutorials beside the solo left flight pattern training mission where it won't progress to the next step unless you "touch" nonmarked specific waypoint locations . I guess these are all basic and pretty easy for anyone who is not new to this genre.

[lazarov27]

Well the point of those tutorials is supposed to teach people who ARE new to this genre.
In that landing tutorial, all instructor talk aside, initial position is simply wrong.
I just reflew that tutorial, immediately throttled back and started descent, without waiting for all the instructor talk.
Even so I had to fly at least 1000 fpm approach almost all the way before flattening out.
How is that a proper landing tutorial for beginners?

[ColinM]

Originally posted by lazarov27:

Well the point of those tutorials is supposed to teach people who ARE new to this genre.
In that landing tutorial, all instructor talk aside, initial position is simply wrong.
I just reflew that tutorial, immediately throttled back and started descent, without waiting for all the instructor talk.
Even so I had to fly at least 1000 fpm approach almost all the way before flattening out.
How is that a proper landing tutorial for beginners?

Thank you, this is exactly what I mean. Completing this in the first take just wasn't realistic in my opinion because you're already off the glidescope by time the instructor finishes with the mumbo-jumbo analogies and life stories.

Originally posted by Sharky:

I have the warthog also but I haven't experienced any issue during these tutorials beside the solo left flight pattern training mission where it won't progress to the next step unless you "touch" nonmarked specific waypoint locations . I guess these are all basic and pretty easy for anyone who is not new to this genre.

I think having some way points highlited for these tutorial missions would be good for situations like these, not everybody starting will understand navigation systems or even how to use ILS for your glidescope. It doesn't have to be for the main flights, but quite useful in a tutorial.