Microsoft Flight Simulator

Microsoft Flight Simulator

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Major_Tinz Jun 12, 2023 @ 10:21pm
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I think Microsoft is screwing their customers
I don't care which way Microsoft spins the new 2024 flight sim, they should have continued to progress 2020 and dedicated themselves to it. We have all been used as a customer funded experiment to develop technology. I have invested a fortune into 2020 and have supported the various developers inside and outside the marketplace. I feel abandoned by Microsoft now. The whole thing has totally lost its shine and I have lost my trust in them. I'm not sure what to do, but all I think I can do is sit tight and wait for further news. I think I will return to DCS though when I need to fly. I'd rather put my allegiance into a platform that I can trust. It feels like the party is over for 2020, as they definitely will not put their energy into it anymore now they are targeting a new sim.
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Moriendor Jun 12, 2023 @ 10:33pm 
I have been more careful with my spending because I never really trusted Microsoft in the first place after everything they have done in my nearly 40 years of gaming history but yeah... 100% with you there.

These companies always make such promises like how they want to keep supporting the old version but you would have to be incredibly naive to believe it.
It's just lip service when they know exactly that they are making a controversial announcement.

They, as well as all 3rd parties, will focus their resources on where the money is, i.e. the latest version.

R.I.P MSFS 2020. In spite and against a long term support "promise". That's how it is.
ZombieHunter Jun 12, 2023 @ 10:54pm 
We don't know what they are going to do yet. But I agree it seems suspect. Most of us have purchased other games that made similar promises or commitments only to find out that when the new version launched they dropped the old one like a bad habit. And this makes sense from a development perspective but it doesn't bode well for consumers.

2024 is going to have to standout quite a bit from 2020 for me to even think about purchasing it. And how do we know there won't be a 2028 that will ruin all your stuff from 2024? This isn't 1990 where we have CDs and DVDs and limited access to patches and content. Content can be streamed and downloaded and the game can last a very long time. So this move seems very odd given the current 'environment' of modern games that are cloud based. Very odd indeed.
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MONZUN Jun 13, 2023 @ 12:56am 
Originally posted by ZombieHunter:
2024 is going to have to standout quite a bit from 2020 for me to even think about purchasing it. And how do we know there won't be a 2028 that will ruin all your stuff from 2024?

actually.. its very likely there will be.. 2027 will be the 45th anniversary if i counted correctly right ?! so they will use this to rebrand the flight sim 2024 as 45th anniversary edition same as they did with the current flight sim. before that there will be a "game of the year" edition too -.-

i'm really disappointed and feel betrayed.. i didnt even purchase anything on the market but i still think its not acceptable what microsoft is doing here because they very well could have added everything into this game, exactly as they promised (10 years of support). instead they used all of us as beta testers for their garbage product that never ran well and now they will release a refined product and expect all of us to purchase it again ? well.. i'm not going to unless it really is super polished this time and runs like butter, has no bugs etc.. and we all know how this is not going to happen :(
Maviba Jun 13, 2023 @ 3:46am 
Nothing new.
For gamers it started with the 'Games for Windows Live' debacle, continued with the Windows development and now this.
Soulstain Jun 13, 2023 @ 4:07am 
Well, for me, all of my flight sim purchases for the foreseeable future will be in DCS where I know the sim will always be around and continually improve. DCS also announced they are moving towards a one world map like MSFS in the future so I will no longer need MSFS to fly wherever I want anyway.
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Maviba Jun 13, 2023 @ 4:16am 
I mean there's still X-plane.
Although it's graphics might look a bit outdated, it's still one of the most realistic flight sims around, and It's been continiously improved since 1993.

So for less superficial people this is a very good substitude for MSFS and way less of a hassle
Mondyrocks Jun 13, 2023 @ 4:20am 
Originally posted by Soulstain:
Well, for me, all of my flight sim purchases for the foreseeable future will be in DCS where I know the sim will always be around and continually improve. DCS also announced they are moving towards a one world map like MSFS in the future so I will no longer need MSFS to fly wherever I want anyway.
The only flaws in your argument are that DCS dlc's are very expensive so you'll soon be hundreds of dollars in, for just half a dozen planes and what about commercial aircraft??

I'm glad you're happy with it though mate, this is not a dig at you but for someone like me, DCS does absolutely zero as I'm not interested in combat aircraft....

If they do create a world map if will be good for current users though :)
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Mondyrocks Jun 13, 2023 @ 4:27am 
Originally posted by Maviba:
I mean there's still X-plane.
Although it's graphics might look a bit outdated, it's still one of the most realistic flight sims around, and It's been continiously improved since 1993.

So for less superficial people this is a very good substitude for MSFS and way less of a hassle
I really couldn't understand Laminars attitude when they released XP12.
Irrespective of how good the physics and realism are, they did zero to try to compete with MSFS.
MSFS's big trump card is the streaming graphics. XPlane looks poor in comparison and if you want to improve them, you need a TON of storage space, plus you need to pay for the best quality stuff (I know you can do ortho but it's time consuming and meh at best).

Where XPlane wins is if you're flying Airliners because from 30k feet up, the ground looks ok but for anyone who wouldn't touch an airliner with a bargepole (someone like me for instance) then XPlane just ain't worth the drop in graphical fidelity, that you get when flying GA aircraft.

I'm amazed that Laminar didn't try to join up with Google to stream map data, but Austin is more interested in making sure XPlane works on his beloved Mac....
Rogen Jun 13, 2023 @ 5:26am 
Sounds to me like 2020 is dead in the water...

Strange that they would announce so early prior to release and as a surprise to not only the consumer but all the third party developers who make a living creating content (and thus Microsoft managed to create their own FUD).

Now 2020 has its own competitor in 2024 and although MS says compatibility will be ok (in 2024) for their stuff, we all know that is to be taken with a grain of salt as every update release has managed to break things.

I wonder if there is any point even buying things for 2020 anymore ???

Cheers
Maviba Jun 13, 2023 @ 6:07am 
Originally posted by Rogen:
Sounds to me like 2020 is dead in the water...

Strange that they would announce so early prior to release and as a surprise to not only the consumer but all the third party developers who make a living creating content (and thus Microsoft managed to create their own FUD).

Now 2020 has its own competitor in 2024 and although MS says compatibility will be ok (in 2024) for their stuff, we all know that is to be taken with a grain of salt as every update release has managed to break things.

I wonder if there is any point even buying things for 2020 anymore ???

Cheers
2020 will still be supported till 2030, and, with a few exceptions, your bought stuff will be combatible to the new version.
Ich you bought it ingame, it would be tranfered to the new version automatically.
★Macman★ Jun 13, 2023 @ 6:10am 
We were ripped off by them stealing our DEVS onto another paid Game = Scandal.
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bluesky Jun 13, 2023 @ 9:15pm 
Originally posted by MONZUN:
Originally posted by ZombieHunter:
2024 is going to have to standout quite a bit from 2020 for me to even think about purchasing it. And how do we know there won't be a 2028 that will ruin all your stuff from 2024?

actually.. its very likely there will be.. 2027 will be the 45th anniversary if i counted correctly right ?! so they will use this to rebrand the flight sim 2024 as 45th anniversary edition same as they did with the current flight sim. before that there will be a "game of the year" edition too -.-

i'm really disappointed and feel betrayed.. i didnt even purchase anything on the market but i still think its not acceptable what microsoft is doing here because they very well could have added everything into this game, exactly as they promised (10 years of support). instead they used all of us as beta testers for their garbage product that never ran well and now they will release a refined product and expect all of us to purchase it again ? well.. i'm not going to unless it really is super polished this time and runs like butter, has no bugs etc.. and we all know how this is not going to happen :(
Yup, M$FT is now targeting the "pre-order" casual gamer crowd, and on one end pitting them against each other to charge more $100 for the privelege of waiting 5 days less in the virtual scarcity digital standing in line (see Starfields) and on the other end selling GamePass to kids to milk them into perpetuity all the while capping it to 30fps experience on xbox consoles...

PMDG and Fenix said they werent even given a heads up about this.

Microsoft should take the word Simulator out of the title and just go back to calling it Flight...
Major_Tinz Jun 13, 2023 @ 9:48pm 
Originally posted by Rogen:
Sounds to me like 2020 is dead in the water...

Strange that they would announce so early prior to release and as a surprise to not only the consumer but all the third party developers who make a living creating content (and thus Microsoft managed to create their own FUD).

Now 2020 has its own competitor in 2024 and although MS says compatibility will be ok (in 2024) for their stuff, we all know that is to be taken with a grain of salt as every update release has managed to break things.

I wonder if there is any point even buying things for 2020 anymore ???

Cheers

I also fear investing any further into 2020 could be a mistake. Microsoft struggled to maintain 2020 and many bugs still remain. When they launch their golden child 2024, the appetite to maintain 2020 will certainly diminish. I don't trust their statement that content can be used in either platform. This might be the case for a short while, but when developers strain to adapt that content to utilise new features, they will need compensation for their efforts. The whole situation has no rationality to it. Microsoft clearly acted without any consideration for existing developers, as they were also in the dark.
d[-_-]b Jun 14, 2023 @ 2:02am 
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lol. Everything written here is so off the mark it's hilarious.

Calm down kids, it's going to be fine.
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Soulstain Jun 14, 2023 @ 3:35am 
Originally posted by Mondyrocks:
Originally posted by Soulstain:
Well, for me, all of my flight sim purchases for the foreseeable future will be in DCS where I know the sim will always be around and continually improve. DCS also announced they are moving towards a one world map like MSFS in the future so I will no longer need MSFS to fly wherever I want anyway.
The only flaws in your argument are that DCS dlc's are very expensive so you'll soon be hundreds of dollars in, for just half a dozen planes and what about commercial aircraft??

I'm glad you're happy with it though mate, this is not a dig at you but for someone like me, DCS does absolutely zero as I'm not interested in combat aircraft....

If they do create a world map if will be good for current users though :)

DCS modules are expensive because they have FAR more fidelity than MSFS planes. They take years to make and they take months to learn. Usually multi-hundred page manuals. The good thing about DCS in the future is that they are going to pull civilian flight sim fans over with their cargo planes and helicopters that are in the works. The new world map will change everything.
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