FX Cirrus Vision Jet

[ZombieHunter]

Does anyone know how to change the CRS for the OBS mode in this aircraft? I like to use OBS and CRS to align with the runway but none of the knobs on GTC 1 to 3 seem to alter the course and my Logitech course knob on my Logitech panel does not work with the G3000 WT avionics suite.

[★Macman★]

Tried removing WT Mods as they are now Legacy?
I can have a look at this next time for you.

[ZombieHunter]

I think they are removed. I must be careful what I remove because some 3rd party aircraft still use some of them.

[Maki Nishikino]

Change Nav Source to LOC and then you will see CRS on the GTC (top right). Use the knob next to it to adjust it.

[ZombieHunter]

Thanks. Still getting use to the avionics in this thing.

[★Macman★]

For the Runway I just tested it had ILS & VOR but only the ILS Frequency goes to LOC. In this case the CRS is auto loaded as set by the Frequency. VOR uses manual knob for CRS. My OBS is not operational as the map only shows the Flight Plan Route but adds the white line reciprocal.

[ZombieHunter]

Originally posted by ★Macman★:

For the Runway I just tested it had ILS & VOR but only the ILS Frequency goes to LOC. In this case the CRS is auto loaded as set by the Frequency. VOR uses manual knob for CRS. My OBS is not lit up and not operational.

You should be able to set OBS at any time and adjust the course with a knob. I cannot get it to work. OBS with CDI to GPS only requires the OBS to be enabled and then CRS can be changed with knobs. It does not seem to work in the Vision Jet.

I just did an IFR flight in the jet with VNAV and everything setup. Everything worked fine till ATC forced me to dive from 10000 to 2300 in 8 miles b/c they are dumb. And then after FAF and sitting at 100 knots ready to shut off AP and go visual ATC never handed me off to tower. Approach went silent and never handed me off.

Also when I switched the approach b/c I was assigned a different one enroute it forced me to get clearance on my new route but the ATC wording was changing destination to....well...my current destination. Then they stuck me at 10000 for some reason and finally it clicked that I was flying the right approach and then they started to make sense until they never handed me off to tower. Pretty much broken.

[★Macman★]

Just flown a chain of 4 great Airports. It's very sad that OBS does not work on the MFD Map to help align the Runway. Instead we must Manually fly to capture the VOR or LOC using only the PFD.

[ZombieHunter]

Originally posted by ★Macman★:

Just flown a chain of 4 great Airports. It's very sad that OBS does not work on the MFD Map to help align the Runway. Instead we must Manually fly to capture the VOR or LOC using only the PFD.

I could not get OBS to work or even find it on the avionics. The rest of it is top notch. But the jet does capture LOC for sure. If it does not switch to LOC then you must switch before you are at or before glideslope. It will not capture after you intercept and this is correct behavior. But I've never had a problem with it switching in the Vision Jet. I just can't get manual OBS to work at all. ATC handing you off to tower now appears to happen 20 to 30 miles out with the most recent patch.

[★Macman★]

I just compared OBS on the 172 CLASSIC SKYHAWK again and gladly the 530/430 still works properly to show the Orientation of the Runway on the MFD at least as soon as we move the Radial on OBS 1 which was asleep until that point.

* The G1000 172 also has the same WT BUG of not Activating 1st Waypoint so requires a DIRECT TO. We seriously should be given ingame Warnings for such BUGS to not treat us like TESTERS always.

[ZombieHunter]

Yes it works on the GNS 430W and 530W. It also usually works on the 750 and other avionics packages. I really think the Vision Jet is just missing the feature. I think one page of the GTC should have an OBS button on it and it is missing. Once you select OBS then you should be able to use the knobs on the bottom of the GTC to adjust it. But it for sure does not work in the Vision Jet primarily b/c there is no way to select OBS that I can find.

The waypoint bug is still intermittent. I'm not sure what causes it. I removed all discontinuities thinking it might that but that did not work. And you cannot remove the ones for VECTORS so you get this weird break in your flight plan on the GPS. The textual plan is ok but the graphical one shows no connecting flight path between a waypoint where vectors starts and GPS begins and / or where IAF begins.

I do not fly IFR IRL nor am I certified so I cannot say how the real world avionics work. I should try it out in the Garmin sims for the 430W and 530W. The 750 and 1000 demos are not free so I cannot try those. Also the demos don't have integrated AP so its a moot point to try on the sims.

[Thogmar]

The most recent messages that I can find in the Flight FX discord, seem to indicate that the upper knob on the lower control panel should control course adjustment if that control panel is in PFD mode and the OBS button is activated. I don't know if the inner or outer knob is the proper one. (Some messages indicate it should be the large outer knob)

Unfortunately the messages I found indicate that the Vision Jet is NOT modeling this function at all in the sim's 3D cockpit. So users are awaiting a response and fix.

NOTE: There are bindings you can use for hardware control, but I didn't wade into that yet. Visit Flight FX's discord and ask them or their users about it.

In the meantime, if all you're doing with OBS is setting up approaches aligned with a runway, just select any of the VISUAL approaches while flight planning to your final airport and runway destination in the G3000. You'll get the same thing as your OBS approach (a course lined up with the runway) but also an Final approach point with an altitude that sets you up at a good starting point for an approach.

It shows that final approach point as the beginning of a "glideslope" diamond on the PFD as well, but I haven't been successful yet in getting the autopilot to follow that glideslope and I do it manually. More testing to come.

I also used to do OBS approaches, but now use the GPS Visual approaches exclusively.

(If you're using OBS for other navigation alignments, you'll have to wait until Flight FX fixes their knob.

[★Macman★]

Yeah we can change CRS for OBS and this shows on the PDF as how close we are getting until on it but the MFD Map does not show the Runway Orientation except for the tiny ICON when it uses GPS. In such a case we can as you say use IFR with GPS for an Approach but is nice to use OBS for backup and the crossover to Aircraft that do not have GPS like the Classic 172 Skyhawk. Basically if it has it then we expect it to at least work.

[ZombieHunter]

I use OBS as my 'runway' for visual approaches often times. If I'm in IFR I really don't require it. Right now I'm using the heading bug as my runway for visuals if I'm using the Vision Jet. But most of the time I'm not VFR with it.

On the Vision Jet there is actually no OBS button on any of the GTCs on any page that I can find.

[Thogmar]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

I use OBS as my 'runway' for visual approaches often times. If I'm in IFR I really don't require it. Right now I'm using the heading bug as my runway for visuals if I'm using the Vision Jet. But most of the time I'm not VFR with it.

On the Vision Jet there is actually no OBS button on any of the GTCs on any page that I can find.

To get the OBS button, you must enter a flight plan on any of the GTCs that you set to MFD mode. Simply enter an origin and a destination - probably works with just a DIRECT TO DESTINATION as well.

Then on any GTC that you have set for PFD mode, there will be a big fat active OBS button in the center of the top row of buttons on the PFD HOME page. Click the OBS button and it goes from suspended to active.

Then of course as you know, you would now turn a CRS (course) button to set the OBS to your desired runway heading at the destination. But as I previously stated, the VISION JET doesn't have a course knob at the moment. Supposedly it's the upper/outer knob to the right of the OBS button.

BUT if you want to test out the G3000's OBS function, it WORKS in the TBM 930, because there's a big fat CRS 1 knob on the upper instrument panel. It adjusts the HSI setting and also the OBS line that is now displayed on the MFD map.

Anyway, either find out the proper variable/setting for hardware devices from VISION FX (may require third party software), go without, wait for VISION FX to update the Vision Jet, or play with OBS on the TBM930.

[Thogmar]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Change Nav Source to LOC and then you will see CRS on the GTC (top right). Use the knob next to it to adjust it.

Nope, doesn't require LOC mode he just wants to set an OBS course based on runway heading, not adjust a LOC course.

The G3000 just wants a destination/waypoint to set the OBS, doesn't matter if you're in GPS or LOC mode, once you hit the OBS button, it's going to use the destination waypoint.

Then unfortunately, the knob next to the OBS button doesn't do anything in the Vision Jet,as it has no functional course knob. It SHOULD, but it doesn't.

Unfortunately Flight FX's discord shows many users waiting for Flight FX to fix this.

There are supposedly some hardware variables you can use to simulate the knob with hardware however. So we wait for the fix... (the OBS function DOES work in the TBM930 though, using its big CRS 1 knob)