Why is flying giving me stress?

[GardenData61371]

Flight sims are supposed to be fun and relaxing. Like I always see on twitch. But when I try flying myself. Especially on Vatsim. It's just so stressful and makes me fly very rarely. I just don't know what to do anymore.

[★Macman★]

I seen that exact same titled Thread before on here. I think you had a bad experience on VATSIM is all. I had those and the constant harassment of kids calling for their Supervisor and being very snotty. I read the Rules, then reminded them I am new (call sign NUGUY) and that they are to treat me with respect by their Policy. So if you can not manage the way to the correct TAXI due to MSFS is not so easy in VR to help with this then you can say "CAN NOT COMPLY". I gave up after they harassed me until I can use FPs that work without having to later mess with all over. They were even more stressed and unhelpful when they had Events on at that area. You just have to find where you fit in or waste time then Disconnect / Reconnect to Land.

If you've completed all you need for Coms then you are well there. Most of this is by Autopilot anyways but besides the Pressure of not screwing up you only get to mess up knowingly to those 30miles around you

Suggest making notes on where you mess up and keep those in mind. Enjoy flying without VATSIM for a while or just Fly in lesser busy areas.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1250410/discussions/9/3101264555052792371/

[lawnmower501]

Then don't do it. Fly a different way, with different aircraft, in a different location.
It's up to you.
The stress of multiplayer flight control patterns will always be there.

I don't even try to fly commercial heavies because I know I'm not good enough yet.
Coms are still a foreign language to me.

[PeppersGhost]

If you feel nervous flying, start at the beginning again. Take a Cessna and fly for a bit just for the fun of it..
Snap out of that nervous feeling, flying should be like a good vibe..

[GardenData61371]

PeppersGhost님이 먼저 게시:

If you feel nervous flying, start at the beginning again. Take a Cessna and fly for a bit just for the fun of it..
Snap out of that nervous feeling, flying should be like a good vibe..

I have no interest in flying small planes.

[GardenData61371]

★Macman★님이 먼저 게시:

I seen that exact same titled Thread before on here. I think you had a bad experience on VATSIM is all. I had those and the constant harassment of kids calling for their Supervisor and being very snotty. I read the Rules, then reminded them I am new (call sign NUGUY) and that they are to treat me with respect by their Policy. So if you can not manage the way to the correct TAXI due to MSFS is not so easy in VR to help with this then you can say "CAN NOT COMPLY". I gave up after they harassed me until I can use FPs that work without having to later mess with all over. They were even more stressed and unhelpful when they had Events on at that area. You just have to find where you fit in or waste time then Disconnect / Reconnect to Land.

If you've completed all you need for Coms then you are well there. Most of this is by Autopilot anyways but besides the Pressure of not screwing up you only get to mess up knowingly to those 30miles around you

Suggest making notes on where you mess up and keep those in mind. Enjoy flying without VATSIM for a while or just Fly in lesser busy areas.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1250410/discussions/9/3101264555052792371/

It's not vatsim that's causing me stress. It's the flight simulator itself. Vatsim just makes it worse.

[★Macman★]

Is this due to you anticipating having to find what actually works and what doesn't e.g. when AP does not follow GPS as expected or VNAV or other especially if it has loaded ILS by the time of APPROACH making it awkward to panic to look it up?
I am constantly finding I am Flying only to test these between Planes and then as I am doing right now to have to edit files and experiment.

[startrekmike]

GardenData61371님이 먼저 게시:

★Macman★님이 먼저 게시:

I seen that exact same titled Thread before on here. I think you had a bad experience on VATSIM is all. I had those and the constant harassment of kids calling for their Supervisor and being very snotty. I read the Rules, then reminded them I am new (call sign NUGUY) and that they are to treat me with respect by their Policy. So if you can not manage the way to the correct TAXI due to MSFS is not so easy in VR to help with this then you can say "CAN NOT COMPLY". I gave up after they harassed me until I can use FPs that work without having to later mess with all over. They were even more stressed and unhelpful when they had Events on at that area. You just have to find where you fit in or waste time then Disconnect / Reconnect to Land.

If you've completed all you need for Coms then you are well there. Most of this is by Autopilot anyways but besides the Pressure of not screwing up you only get to mess up knowingly to those 30miles around you

Suggest making notes on where you mess up and keep those in mind. Enjoy flying without VATSIM for a while or just Fly in lesser busy areas.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1250410/discussions/9/3101264555052792371/

It's not vatsim that's causing me stress. It's the flight simulator itself. Vatsim just makes it worse.

What exactly about the simulator gives you stress?

[GardenData61371]

startrekmike님이 먼저 게시:

GardenData61371님이 먼저 게시:

It's not vatsim that's causing me stress. It's the flight simulator itself. Vatsim just makes it worse.

What exactly about the simulator gives you stress?

Having to know the plane, the charts, procedures, etc

[GardenData61371]

★Macman★님이 먼저 게시:

Is this due to you anticipating having to find what actually works and what doesn't e.g. when AP does not follow GPS as expected or VNAV or other especially if it has loaded ILS by the time of APPROACH making it awkward to panic to look it up?
I am constantly finding I am Flying only to test these between Planes and then as I am doing right now to have to edit files and experiment.

Yeah. Basically that.

[startrekmike]

GardenData61371님이 먼저 게시:

★Macman★님이 먼저 게시:

Is this due to you anticipating having to find what actually works and what doesn't e.g. when AP does not follow GPS as expected or VNAV or other especially if it has loaded ILS by the time of APPROACH making it awkward to panic to look it up?
I am constantly finding I am Flying only to test these between Planes and then as I am doing right now to have to edit files and experiment.

Yeah. Basically that.

The harsh reality is that like every other version of Microsoft Flight Simulator before it (at least the ones with a large third party addon market), there will always be some addon developers that make really good, really complete stuff and some that just don't. On top of that, the stock aircraft that come with Flight Simulator have always been lower overall fidelity (which makes sense since Microsoft has always made Flight Simulator as a sort of "aviation experience" for mainstream audiences rather than a hardcore, high fidelity aircraft simulator).

The answer here is to be VERY picky about the aircraft you use and the aircraft addons you buy. This might mean you don't always get your favorite aircraft but it will keep your experience relatively consistent.

[★Macman★]

GardenData61371님이 먼저 게시:

★Macman★님이 먼저 게시:

Is this due to you anticipating having to find what actually works and what doesn't e.g. when AP does not follow GPS as expected or VNAV or other especially if it has loaded ILS by the time of APPROACH making it awkward to panic to look it up?
I am constantly finding I am Flying only to test these between Planes and then as I am doing right now to have to edit files and experiment.

Yeah. Basically that.

I'm in the same boat. Having tested for 2yrs I feel that's what I must do instead of choosing new unexplored Routes. I have many favourites which are mostly around 1hrs to avoid much use of Sim Rate also. Mind you the Pandemic has affected many of us causing Anxiety & Stress behind this. For many things in life involving maintenance I have only found professionals to skim on doing a proper job and had to rely on my own solutions to lots of things. Their lack of confidence rubs off and takes some getting over their incompetence. This ranges from Builders; Plumbers; Councils; Highways Agency; Clothing Sizes; Banks; Insurance; and even Ombudsmen. I have rated them all useless jobsworths just like Official Forum and ZENDESK here.

[Twelvefield]

GardenData61371님이 먼저 게시:

PeppersGhost님이 먼저 게시:

If you feel nervous flying, start at the beginning again. Take a Cessna and fly for a bit just for the fun of it..
Snap out of that nervous feeling, flying should be like a good vibe..

I have no interest in flying small planes.

Why not the small planes? Stick and rudder is the very fundamentals of flight. The FMC and GPS stuff is just operating adding machines at 30,000. Granted, it's there to keep you from being Harrison Ford in the sky, but in the sim that doesn't matter.

Large planes are meant to be flown by crews. Their setup is engineered to provide the maximum amount of information in the minimum of time, so it's very easy for a single pilot to reach information overload, as you have. It takes a lot of training to be able to get through all of the systems. MSFS lets you skip all of that, but if you do, you'll be overwhelmed, no?

[★Macman★]

If this helps, VNAV for Boeings is not reliable in Real Life for Approach and is ideally switched OFF before you go into APR. I tested if it worked all the way and it fails. So only use it from the Ground to your last 5000 ft to switch out. They can load too many contradicting Altitudes also that lose Alt then gain again only to come back down. All the time contradicting ATC (if not using VATSIM but them also very likely). What to trust in MSFS is STRESS.

The 737 has a switch next to it to Intervene Alt. This same switch is within the knob of 777 & 787 and all these are not same method as Airbus which simply dials in most extreme Alt to get to and uses Constraints by auto.

Many times you may think you are following FMS but it drifts off only because you did not intercept it to begin with and so the LNAV Light remains ON yet you are simple in ROLL Mode. That can be STRESS. Same too can happen for AutoThrust ARM for when you use 737 Throttle override and the light stays ON but you still must recycle it to be ON again. Same can happen on some GA Garmins as we soon learn once AP is OFF and buttons need reselected for AP to work as it was set before.

Having to piss about with HDG Knob always for when you get Go-Arounds in VATSIM (is common) it is STRESS to not have the SET HEADING BUG Bind working at all but I think it can work by pressing Mouse on some Planes.

[ZombieHunter]

You are experiencing just a touch of what you must do in a real aircraft. Communications can stress a lot of people out until they get use to it. I would advise not getting on VATSIM until you are comfortable with the language and the flow. I highly recommend you listen to something like LiveATC to get a feel for how it all sounds. Then study the VATSIM documentation as well as any real world documentation. Many CFIs put their practice comms sheets online for other to view.

So what you are sensing is a bit of that real world feel when you broadcast your voice for all to hear. And trust me we all mess up our calls every now and then. The good thing is you likely never have to see anyone that is on your frequency face to face nor know who they are...most of the time. The worst is when you botch a call and your CFI is up with some other student and he hears you botch it. Haha. But honestly most real world controllers are gracious, friendly and professional. You can always preface your calls with 'student pilot' and they become even more understanding. You might be able to do this on VATSIM as well. Controllers are there for you.

Anyways for the sim just relax. Enjoy. There is no danger in the sim. You don't have to do everything right in the sim. If you want to learn how to do things correctly you can study websites that talk about how things work IRL. I applaud you if you wish to go this route but if you just want to enjoy the sim then get in, take off and fly. We sim for enjoyment. If its stressful that isn't fun.

[GardenData61371]

★Macman★님이 먼저 게시:

If this helps, VNAV for Boeings is not reliable in Real Life for Approach and is ideally switched OFF before you go into APR. I tested if it worked all the way and it fails. So only use it from the Ground to your last 5000 ft to switch out. They can load too many contradicting Altitudes also that lose Alt then gain again only to come back down. All the time contradicting ATC (if not using VATSIM but them also very likely). What to trust in MSFS is STRESS.

The 737 has a switch next to it to Intervene Alt. This same switch is within the knob of 777 & 787 and all these are not same method as Airbus which simply dials in most extreme Alt to get to and uses Constraints by auto.

Many times you may think you are following FMS but it drifts off only because you did not intercept it to begin with and so the LNAV Light remains ON yet you are simple in ROLL Mode. That can be STRESS. Same too can happen for AutoThrust ARM for when you use 737 Throttle override and the light stays ON but you still must recycle it to be ON again. Same can happen on some GA Garmins as we soon learn once AP is OFF and buttons need reselected for AP to work as it was set before.

Having to piss about with HDG Knob always for when you get Go-Arounds in VATSIM (is common) it is STRESS to not have the SET HEADING BUG Bind working at all but I think it can work by pressing Mouse on some Planes.

I'm in the a320 not 737