Refunded at 5 hours

[Shiven]

I was able to refund after 5 hours of game time. Half of that being the game downloading itself. Thanks Steam!

My top 5 reasons for refunding the game:

1. Weird non flight simulator feeling with the game overall in general. My best guess here is that it feels like your not in a flight sim but rather something like Google Earth flight mode. I get it's supposed to feel that way because it is Bing maps.

2. Do you like to free flight or land? Those are your options. I understand more content like missions/career is in the works and should be coming in the future.

3. Crashing planes and lack of actual physics/destruction. If you crash you just see a black screen with a message stating you crashed. Same thing if you over-stress your plane in midair. I know - that's never really a part of MSFS. However without it, it really makes the game feel even more like your just zooming around Google Earth.

4. Pretty cool AI terrain generation. Until you actually visit a unpopular POI of earth. Where trees should be, instead you have triangle pillars that clearly should have been flattened or populated with trees. This wasn't a satellite image issue but the AI terrain generation.

5. Main reason I bought the game was to review the AI terrain generation and to see what my area looked like for accuracy. I was super excited that the roads and buildings around my area were near realistic. But found a nonexistant road where my house should have been. Resolved this disappointment by opening Google Maps and looking at my house to reflect on what I was expecting to see.

That's about it... Overall this game doesn't feel complete to me, and more of a Early Access game/experiment.

[Sannan75]

Publicado originalmente por UnHoly Xander:

Publicado originalmente por Terroristhawk:

I heard the flying was complicated? Is it not?

Real life flying isn't exactly a walk in the park and well....this aims to simulate that.

I’m halfway through my PPL in real life and it’s not like real life flying in the sense that I’ve safely landed every flight I’ve done so far even in new aircraft and had my instructor given me the controls for landing in my early real life lessons I’d have dug a decent crater into the ground, but it gives a pretty good approximation of being someone with some flying skills already there if that makes any sense - a good sense of what it feels like to fly a plane without the holy crap I’m gonna die of actually flying a real plane without skills :)

[Kerv]

Publicado originalmente por Mrbluray032:

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[Havremonster]

Publicado originalmente por Kervvy:

Publicado originalmente por Mrbluray032:

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I care

Me too. And Microsoft SHOULD care. He is right about places that is not so "popular" is ignored. Some places looked even better and more realistic in X-plane. But Hope they will fix all the terrain bugs with time...

[OriginalGrubby]

Publicado originalmente por Shiven:

I was able to refund after 5 hours of game time. Half of that being the game downloading itself. Thanks Steam!

My top 5 reasons for refunding the game:

1. Weird non flight simulator feeling with the game overall in general. My best guess here is that it feels like your not in a flight sim but rather something like Google Earth flight mode. I get it's supposed to feel that way because it is Bing maps.

2. Do you like to free flight or land? Those are your options. I understand more content like missions/career is in the works and should be coming in the future.

3. Crashing planes and lack of actual physics/destruction. If you crash you just see a black screen with a message stating you crashed. Same thing if you over-stress your plane in midair. I know - that's never really a part of MSFS. However without it, it really makes the game feel even more like your just zooming around Google Earth.

4. Pretty cool AI terrain generation. Until you actually visit a unpopular POI of earth. Where trees should be, instead you have triangle pillars that clearly should have been flattened or populated with trees. This wasn't a satellite image issue but the AI terrain generation.

5. Main reason I bought the game was to review the AI terrain generation and to see what my area looked like for accuracy. I was super excited that the roads and buildings around my area were near realistic. But found a nonexistant road where my house should have been. Resolved this disappointment by opening Google Maps and looking at my house to reflect on what I was expecting to see.

That's about it... Overall this game doesn't feel complete to me, and more of a Early Access game/experiment.

While I agree with some of your points, some of the points seem a bit wrong.

1) It feels exactly like flying, from the effects of the prop, to wind, and so on. It's pretty bang on in most of it.

2) To be fair, that is the point of flying, you take off, you fly, you land. While I do hope either addons, or DLC comes along that adds more, that sort of is the point of the game.

3) Well that is probably down two things. They really don't want people crashing into buildings and making it seem not so bad. Second, they have to get the licence to reproduce these aircraft in game. Generally companies who sign off on this add a clause where you aren't allowed to damage or destroy them in game. Some companies are ok with it it, but most aren't. I can understand why, though it would be cool to see a wing come off if you over stress, but again, this is a flight simulator, not a crash simulator.

4) I can agree with this, but if you look into the way they do it, it sort of makes sense. They are essentially taking a top down view and extrapolating what it should look like. Same reason why your house doesn't look exactly as it does in real life. Though if you go to Melbourne, you can find a 212 story tall sky scraper that is only supposed to be 21 stories. Seems like they have to work some stuff out still.

5) I don't use BING maps, so I'm not sure the deal with that, again, just bugs that have to be sorted.

All and all I agree between some of that and the lack of optimization, it does feel like it was released a bit too early. It does need work, but at the same time it really is an amazing program. I wouldn't even give XPlane 11 with all of it's addons and DLC a second look.

[GaryW]

Publicado originalmente por Shiven:

2) To be fair, that is the point of flying, you take off, you fly, you land. While I do hope either addons, or DLC comes along that adds more, that sort of is the point of the game.

Exactly that! I do wonder how many people who are complaining and refinding either have a lot of time invested in XPlane or have a substandard PC and so are blaming the sim.

[pii]

Publicado originalmente por Shiven:

I was able to refund after 5 hours of game time. Half of that being the game downloading itself. Thanks Steam!

My top 5 reasons for refunding the game:

1. Weird non flight simulator feeling with the game overall in general. My best guess here is that it feels like your not in a flight sim but rather something like Google Earth flight mode. I get it's supposed to feel that way because it is Bing maps.

2. Do you like to free flight or land? Those are your options. I understand more content like missions/career is in the works and should be coming in the future.

3. Crashing planes and lack of actual physics/destruction. If you crash you just see a black screen with a message stating you crashed. Same thing if you over-stress your plane in midair. I know - that's never really a part of MSFS. However without it, it really makes the game feel even more like your just zooming around Google Earth.

4. Pretty cool AI terrain generation. Until you actually visit a unpopular POI of earth. Where trees should be, instead you have triangle pillars that clearly should have been flattened or populated with trees. This wasn't a satellite image issue but the AI terrain generation.

5. Main reason I bought the game was to review the AI terrain generation and to see what my area looked like for accuracy. I was super excited that the roads and buildings around my area were near realistic. But found a nonexistant road where my house should have been. Resolved this disappointment by opening Google Maps and looking at my house to reflect on what I was expecting to see.

That's about it... Overall this game doesn't feel complete to me, and more of a Early Access game/experiment.

Did you type all that in the refund request? lol

I to refunded it with 5 hours because I was having CTD every time I fired it up.
I then re bought it but only the standard version I had the Prem deluxe. Figured I could take the ride a little easier for 59.99 than 119.99 .
I then figured out what was causing the CTD and now I'm having a ball.

as for
1. It looks like real world , mostly, not sure why you don't like that
2. Its a Flight Sim that's what they do.
3. MS Flight Sims have always been like that. And you're not zooming around Google earth its Bing Earth and that's what the earth looks like so I don't understand that complaint
4. Bing doesn't actually have the entire earth so the AI tries to fill it in but doesn't alway do it right but it will get better. SO what about the rest of the earth? Oh its Google earth, which is the earth. I've never heard of someone complaining the terrain was too good. lol
5. So you admit you didn't really want it except to fly by your house. got it

Yes maybe they should have called it Early Access but anyone that has flown flight sims for any time knows this is ground breaking stuff and since they were running a beta right up till a few day before release it should have been a clue that it wasn't finished, and these things never are. MS says this is a 10 year project so it will only get better. But the world will still look like Bing maps because Bing maps looks like the world

I think you never planned on keeping it, like you said you just wanted to see the terrain at your home.

It helps if you have an interest in Flight and aircraft because you can do a whole lot more than just taking off and landing. Like Actually learning how each Aircraft actually works in RL.

Oh well.

[ChillGamingUK]

I would never refund this game, the views are stunning in ultra settings. I am looking forward to VR even more. I'm only a beginner at this though compared to others who have been doing it years.

[Nats]

Nobody likes everything. Just move onto another game. I love this game I think its by far the best flight simulator I have ever played.

[Stringbean]

Publicado originalmente por pii:

I to refunded it with 5 hours because I was having CTD every time I fired it up.

I then figured out what was causing the CTD and now I'm having a ball.

So what was causing your CTD?

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And setting Steam reviews to 10+ hours shows mostly positive :) It's happening boiss MSFS 2020 is amazing and this coming year it will blow everything out of the water!!!!!

[GaryW]

Don't you hate people who say "i fixed it! and never actually say what they did?

[Big Ram]

Publicado originalmente por Mrbluray032:

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[Secretagentshyguy001]

I got a refund after 7 hours and I am now playing on game pass. not worth 120 bucks at this moment. Will rebuy when they fix the issues.

[Carnageloser7]

Publicado originalmente por PUGS:

I'm genuinely surprised with all the refund and refund requests - the preview videos and beta play from players online were all very accurate to what the game was going to be.

7 hours in and I can't stop playing. I love it.

a lot of people probably just can't run it. after running it in ultra graphics for a while I don't even really like how it looks in High-End.

[GaryW]

Publicado originalmente por Fragem:

I got a refund after 7 hours and I am now playing on game pass. not worth 120 bucks at this moment. Will rebuy when they fix the issues.

So it's so bad that you want a refund but not so bad that you won't go to xplane or something easier. Right.