As a real Pilot: VR is critical!

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I had play Flight Sims 20 years ago. But after ive played with Ocolus Quest and Valve Index, in DCS and FS2020 I can say:

THE FEELING FOR 3 DIMENSIONS IS NESESARY!

Absolutly mission critical.

You cant simulate a plane and fly or landing without VR!!!

Absolutly impossible!

[ElBarto56]

huh yes you can. You don't need VR to enjoy this...classic gatekeeping here...

[temps]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rever:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von temps:

If you're going to whine about other people sharing their opinions... perhaps you shouldn't be on an internet forum? lmao...

I didn't whine about people having opinions, I was saying that my opinion is that your opinion stinks. You need to look up what they say about opinions. You are confused.

So you're complaining about others sharing the opinions because they "stink." Well, again, if it bothers you, perhaps you shouldn't get on an internet forum.

[Rever]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von temps:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rever:

I didn't whine about people having opinions, I was saying that my opinion is that your opinion stinks. You need to look up what they say about opinions. You are confused.

So you're complaining about others sharing the opinions because they "stink." Well, again, if it bothers you, perhaps you shouldn't get on an internet forum.

No, I am just telling you your opinion stinks. I would be embarrassed to have that opinion, but you do you.

I have no issue with you having an opinion. That is a pretty weak spin on what I said. I am assuming your English skills aren't so good. Understandable.

[temps]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rever:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von temps:

So you're complaining about others sharing the opinions because they "stink." Well, again, if it bothers you, perhaps you shouldn't get on an internet forum.

No, I am just telling you your opinion stinks. I would be embarrassed to have that opinion, but you do you.

I have no issue with you having an opinion. That is a pretty weak spin on what I said. I am assuming your English skills aren't so good. Understandable.

lol I should be embarassed to think flight sims without VR are garbage? Why should that embarrass me?

[ERASER]

I rather not glue a screen to my eye balls thanks

[Rever]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von temps:

lol I should be embarassed to think flight sims without VR are garbage? Why should that embarrass me?

It shouldn't embarrass you, unless you want it to. But you are not me. I didn't say you should be embarrassed, I said I would be embarrassed.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von ERASER:

I rather not glue a screen to my eye balls thanks

spoken like a poor that will never afford VR

once you go VR, for sim especially, it's hard to go back. it's always obvious when someone is just less fortunate and ignorant. maybe within the decade you can experience affordable VR

[ʟǟֆȶʟɨʋɨռɢքօɛȶ]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ERASER:

I rather not glue a screen to my eye balls thanks

Unless you have actually tried a proper VR setup, meaning a good comfortable headset and a PC more than capable of handling the performance, then you have no idea what it's actually like, and your comment is irrelevant

[Rever]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ʟǟֆȶʟɨʋɨռɢքօɛȶ:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ERASER:

I rather not glue a screen to my eye balls thanks

Unless you have actually tried a proper VR setup, meaning a good comfortable headset and a PC more than capable of handling the performance, then you have no idea what it's actually like, and your comment is irrelevant :dumbass:

I have tried it and don't find it that enjoyable. I think it is neat for what it is. I find using my flat screen with head tracking is much more enjoyable as I look up watch videos, surf the net, and use charts etc on my second older computer during longer flights.

I really don't like having that thing strapped to my head, so I agree with ERASER. I don't like not being able to see the real world around me. You are assuming we haven't tried it which is wrong and therefore your comment is completely irrelevant.:dumbass:

[Schmegg]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ʟǟֆȶʟɨʋɨռɢքօɛȶ:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ERASER:

I rather not glue a screen to my eye balls thanks

Unless you have actually tried a proper VR setup, meaning a good comfortable headset and a PC more than capable of handling the performance, then you have no idea what it's actually like, and your comment is irrelevant :dumbass:

Yeah - I'm not sure that every comment you don't agree with can be labelled "irrelevant".

Perhaps it might suit someone who wants to stay comfortably within their own bubble to tell themselves that any opinion that does not align with their own is irrelevant, but that's just self-hoodwinking.

I agree with ERASER and Rever - for the reasons they've detailed and more. And I have a decent setup - it's not got anything to do with that. I know exactly "what it's like" and as far as I'm concerned, it's fun for short, informal VFR flights only. Which is about 10% of my sim use.

[ZombieHunter]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von carter guitar:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ERASER:

I rather not glue a screen to my eye balls thanks

spoken like a poor that will never afford VR

once you go VR, for sim especially, it's hard to go back. it's always obvious when someone is just less fortunate and ignorant. maybe within the decade you can experience affordable VR

This is the epitome of arrogant and narcissistic. Assuming we don't have VR and assuming it is b/c we are less fortunate and assuming it is b/c we are ignorant. You don't even know any of us. You don't know where we have worked or what we have done or any of our experiences. But keep assuming if that helps you sleep at night.

No one is saying VR is bad. We are saying that it is not necessary. Stop putting up strawmen and then acting like we are beating them up. We aren't debating the merits or non merits of VR in general with respect to flight training or simulation. We are saying that it is not a necessity in FS 2020. So far all you bunch have done is prove you can attack others when challenged which tells me you don't even believe your own position b/c you cannot logically defend it when challenged.

So in case you lost the topic: VR is NOT a necessity for FS 2020 nor for real life flight training.

[vicen]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ZombieHunter:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von carter guitar:

spoken like a poor that will never afford VR

once you go VR, for sim especially, it's hard to go back. it's always obvious when someone is just less fortunate and ignorant. maybe within the decade you can experience affordable VR

This is the epitome of arrogant and narcissistic. Assuming we don't have VR and assuming it is b/c we are less fortunate and assuming it is b/c we are ignorant. You don't even know any of us. You don't know where we have worked or what we have done or any of our experiences. But keep assuming if that helps you sleep at night.

No one is saying VR is bad. We are saying that it is not necessary. Stop putting up strawmen and then acting like we are beating them up. We aren't debating the merits or non merits of VR in general with respect to flight training or simulation. We are saying that it is not a necessity in FS 2020. So far all you bunch have done is prove you can attack others when challenged which tells me you don't even believe your own position b/c you cannot logically defend it when challenged.

So in case you lost the topic: VR is NOT a necessity for FS 2020 nor for real life flight training.

At least for me it is really necesary the VR. No way to go back to 2d. Pimax 8kx

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von vicen:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ZombieHunter:

This is the epitome of arrogant and narcissistic. Assuming we don't have VR and assuming it is b/c we are less fortunate and assuming it is b/c we are ignorant. You don't even know any of us. You don't know where we have worked or what we have done or any of our experiences. But keep assuming if that helps you sleep at night.

No one is saying VR is bad. We are saying that it is not necessary. Stop putting up strawmen and then acting like we are beating them up. We aren't debating the merits or non merits of VR in general with respect to flight training or simulation. We are saying that it is not a necessity in FS 2020. So far all you bunch have done is prove you can attack others when challenged which tells me you don't even believe your own position b/c you cannot logically defend it when challenged.

So in case you lost the topic: VR is NOT a necessity for FS 2020 nor for real life flight training.

At least for me it is really necesary the VR. No way to go back to 2d. Pimax 8kx

So, if your pimax pooped itself, you couldn't play the game? Or perhaps you just wouldn't want to? Now go and look up the meaning of the word "necessary" (which I'm guessing you were attempting to write).

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Manwith Noname:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sandhill:

What a funny troll thread. Start out with a silly premise just designed to solicit comments, and when the dissents come continue to argue like a child insisting that they are right.
OP: Red is the only good color
Repeated opinions posted: Some people like other colors
OP: No, you do not deserve your opinions, I alone am right
Repeated opinions posted: No, really, you have your opinion, others are also have their equally valid opinions
OP: No, you do not deserve your opinions, I alone am right
ad nauseam. What a cry baby! Gotta admit, though, that it is a troll with life. Not even amusing that this will be post 695, actually just pathetic.
:lunar2019smilingpig:

To be fair, when this thread first appeared, the game did not have VR.

That aside, it's trolls all the way down.

Yes, that's only fair. You can save yourself your sub-complex troll accusations!

Modern man can no longer do without VR. Anyone who claims that is either lying or living in the IT stone age.

I think that's the case for many here. Because if you have already visited FS2020 in VR, something has changed in your brain. Your mind has opened up in the VR Cockpit and has attained a new awareness. A new perspective on reality. I even want to say: A more real view of reality!

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sandhill:

What a funny troll thread. Start out with a silly premise just designed to solicit comments, and when the dissents come continue to argue like a child insisting that they are right.
OP: Red is the only good color
Repeated opinions posted: Some people like other colors
OP: No, you do not deserve your opinions, I alone am right
Repeated opinions posted: No, really, you have your opinion, others are also have their equally valid opinions
OP: No, you do not deserve your opinions, I alone am right
ad nauseam. What a cry baby! Gotta admit, though, that it is a troll with life. Not even amusing that this will be post 695, actually just pathetic.
:lunar2019smilingpig:

It was immediately clear to me that this destructive pseudo-intellectual high school student twaddle was coming from a German.

You think you're so smart if you pride yourself on having saved a few euros by not owning VR glasses. It makes you feel like the greatest! The German Great Power Claim - in German: "Großmachtsanspruch"

Or as the saying goes: The world should heal through the German spirit - or in german: "Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen".

What you just don't understand: This is where people meet and exchange ideas who have had an enlightenment! They kind of saw God in VR. They saw the divine in virtuality.

If you've seen the movie TRON (Legacy) and are intellectual enough to understand it on a meta level, you can guess what everyone is talking about!

Or you show everyone in this world how narrow-minded the Germans can be!

Your choice!