SARD problem

[GringoPL]

After the last update, the game won't start – the problem occurs when SARD is launched.
Disabling Windows Defender and antivirus did not help.

[Occasional Gamer]

Originally posted by GringoPL:

After the last update, the game won't start – the problem occurs when SARD is launched.
Disabling Windows Defender and antivirus did not help.

You're disabling Windows Defender and Antivirus while playing an online game? Good luck with that. I would ask for a refund, no matter how much hours you paid and make a case of this since they broke the game and force something very intrusive and dangerous on you.

[HOVALOVA]

Originally posted by Occasional Gamer:

Originally posted by GringoPL:

After the last update, the game won't start – the problem occurs when SARD is launched.
Disabling Windows Defender and antivirus did not help.

You're disabling Windows Defender and Antivirus while playing an online game? Good luck with that. I would ask for a refund, no matter how much hours you paid and make a case of this since they broke the game and force something very intrusive and dangerous on you.

I'm going that route,,, no luck. Refund process seems to be automated., with auto-reject. Got in touch with a person thru another support route. Their just saying the same. Even I sent them screenshot of the error and have video proof that the "game" continues to run in the background after I closed the SARD error. Next day it will have counted 14 hours of play... if I don't kill SARD process or rebooted the computer.

I seriously feel scammed. Steam support is so bad. What is wrong with them? I will try to put some pressure on them thru my local consumer rights. I know there has already been a EU case with Steam, EA and Nintendo due to consumer right.

[HOVALOVA]

I also tried to get help on the Test Drive discord. (support staff there) No answer there either... I see different people have opened bug request for this SARD issue on Nacon site. All of them are closed and archieved by Nacon with message to contact support. (which don't answer)

[Chili Duck]

I was excited to learn about their "anti-cheat" update, but that's when I assumed it was something server-side, like to detect obvious leaderboard cheats. But no, it's client-side on my already taxed PC. No way I'm wasting resources doing AI. I looked into SARD and it seems to be a key-logger, using AI to look for anomalies in what it "learns" is my normal input patterns.

No thanks, I'm not gonna enable this background job and give it admin privileges. What a major bummer. I've uninstalled the game, and I'll keep an eye out for some day, eventually, when they get rid of this stupid client-side spyware.

Such a shame, I love this game. I'm glad I was able to get in almost 200 hours before this happened.

[SirHawk]

My fking god, the SARD do nothing related to AI, it was trained using AI to detect cheats at the very most. Stop this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ already. Your PC would fking die the moment an AI workload would launch to try detecting any shenanigans.

[Occasional Gamer]

Originally posted by SirHawk:

My fking god, the SARD do nothing related to AI, it was trained using AI to detect cheats at the very most. Stop this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ already. Your PC would fking die the moment an AI workload would launch to try detecting any shenanigans.

Absolutely not, don't know where you get this idea. AI can run perfectly fine on a pc in the background. It has been doing that for years on the iPad/iPhone, does it on Android and it does it on pc as well. Plenty of software using AI these days to do certain tasks. Now SARD may well be trained with AI, but that doesn't exclude that it still uses some form of AI locally. Not every AI is consuming tons of power. Heck, I even run a complete art AI offline, locally on my pc and can even train it myself if I wanted too. I run an midjourney equivalent offline. Works perfectly well. My video editing software relies heavily on built in AI. So does some of the art software I use. SARD can perfectly well use AI too. I wouldn't touch something like SARD at all. It's invasive... AI or not.

[SirHawk]

No, it does not actively use any kind of AI and if something supposedly uses an AI without any impact, it means it goes through static, prelearnt parameters and algorithms, meaning it has got nothing to do with an AI. SARD's only invasive part would be having kernel rights, meaning it can bypass other authorizations and scan every service in the background, it does not do anything else. It's really annoying having to deal with the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of ignorance everywhere, starting with Riot's Vanguard misunderstandings.

[~°MØTG°~ Gavin "G.O.A.T" Collins]

Originally posted by SirHawk:

No, it does not actively use any kind of AI and if something supposedly uses an AI without any impact, it means it goes through static, prelearnt parameters and algorithms, meaning it has got nothing to do with an AI. SARD's only invasive part would be having kernel rights, meaning it can bypass other authorizations and scan every service in the background, it does not do anything else. It's really annoying having to deal with the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of ignorance everywhere, starting with Riot's Vanguard misunderstandings.

Why are you heavily defending SARD but attacking KT/Nacon?

I don't get your stance on this whole shebazz man.

also Ocassional Gamer has a point. SARD is invasive whether you believe it or not. You wouldnt know because you dont have the game. Everyone so far who has played TDU SC has confirmed SARD is invasive.

[HOVALOVA]

Originally posted by Chili Duck:

I looked into SARD and it seems to be a key-logger, using AI to look for anomalies in what it "learns" is my normal input patterns.

How do you know / how did you confirm that?

Originally posted by SirHawk:

My fking god, the SARD do nothing related to AI, it was trained using AI to detect cheats at the very most.

How do you know?

[~°MØTG°~ Gavin "G.O.A.T" Collins]

The very implementation of SARD itself had me change my review on the game. And to top it all off NACON has not fixed any of the bugs they claimed they have fixed (Connection Issues, Crashes, Glitches just to name a few)

In all honesty i wouldn't be surprised to wake up one day and see a class action suit filed against this company and its lack of transparency.

[SirHawk]

Originally posted by ~MOTG~ Hypersonic Gavin:

Originally posted by SirHawk:

No, it does not actively use any kind of AI and if something supposedly uses an AI without any impact, it means it goes through static, prelearnt parameters and algorithms, meaning it has got nothing to do with an AI. SARD's only invasive part would be having kernel rights, meaning it can bypass other authorizations and scan every service in the background, it does not do anything else. It's really annoying having to deal with the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of ignorance everywhere, starting with Riot's Vanguard misunderstandings.

Why are you heavily defending SARD but attacking KT/Nacon?

I don't get your stance on this whole shebazz man.

also Ocassional Gamer has a point. SARD is invasive whether you believe it or not. You wouldnt know because you dont have the game. Everyone so far who has played TDU SC has confirmed SARD is invasive.

I am not defending anything, I'm dealing with stupidity and ignorance. People only confirm, that SARD introduced further problems - precisely as I laughingly predicted a day or two before the patch. Everything else is wild assumptions from checking stuff without uderstanding what they're looking at, not even a single packet analysis was done.

[HOVALOVA]

Originally posted by SirHawk:

Originally posted by ~MOTG~ Hypersonic Gavin:

Why are you heavily defending SARD but attacking KT/Nacon?

I don't get your stance on this whole shebazz man.

also Ocassional Gamer has a point. SARD is invasive whether you believe it or not. You wouldnt know because you dont have the game. Everyone so far who has played TDU SC has confirmed SARD is invasive.

I am not defending anything, I'm dealing with stupidity and ignorance. People only confirm, that SARD introduced further problems - precisely as I laughingly predicted a day or two before the patch. Everything else is wild assumptions from checking stuff without uderstanding what they're looking at, not even a single packet analysis was done.

How to you know how this works? What are your sources? Do you have any documentation?

[SirHawk]

Originally posted by HOVALOVA:

Originally posted by SirHawk:

I am not defending anything, I'm dealing with stupidity and ignorance. People only confirm, that SARD introduced further problems - precisely as I laughingly predicted a day or two before the patch. Everything else is wild assumptions from checking stuff without uderstanding what they're looking at, not even a single packet analysis was done.

How to you know how this works? What are your sources? Do you have any documentation?

Do you have any documentation or ACTUAL analyses on how does the AC work? What are your sources, besides the single autistic clown, that's consistently getting banned from the forum? Because I'm absolutely sure there is none available, but going full paranoia out of mindless fear is being stupid. The only thing with ACs is that they work with elevated privileges (kernel mode) allowing them to have read access to whatever service is being run in the background and that's it. There is no AI, unless there's ability to learn/improve on the fly and having this for an operating anti-cheat is freaking stupid, pointless and would be extremely taxing. Everything else was spun and imagined by morons.

[The Bird]

Originally posted by SirHawk:

Originally posted by HOVALOVA:

How to you know how this works? What are your sources? Do you have any documentation?

Do you have any documentation or ACTUAL analyses on how does the AC work? What are your sources, besides the single autistic clown, that's consistently getting banned from the forum? Because I'm absolutely sure there is none available, but going full paranoia out of mindless fear is being stupid. The only thing with ACs is that they work with elevated privileges (kernel mode) allowing them to have read access to whatever service is being run in the background and that's it. There is no AI, unless there's ability to learn/improve on the fly and having this for an operating anti-cheat is freaking stupid, pointless and would be extremely taxing. Everything else was spun and imagined by morons.

If you don't mind that someone/something has the right to spy on you non-stop on your asylum, entertainment device - console, or PC, or you don't know what it involves, then invite your mother-in-law over - maybe then you'll understand płytki gościu. A mooron to cię chyba spłodził.

[SirHawk]

Originally posted by The Bird:

Originally posted by SirHawk:

Do you have any documentation or ACTUAL analyses on how does the AC work? What are your sources, besides the single autistic clown, that's consistently getting banned from the forum? Because I'm absolutely sure there is none available, but going full paranoia out of mindless fear is being stupid. The only thing with ACs is that they work with elevated privileges (kernel mode) allowing them to have read access to whatever service is being run in the background and that's it. There is no AI, unless there's ability to learn/improve on the fly and having this for an operating anti-cheat is freaking stupid, pointless and would be extremely taxing. Everything else was spun and imagined by morons.

If you don't mind that someone/something has the right to spy on you non-stop on your asylum, entertainment device - console, or PC, or you don't know what it involves, then invite your mother-in-law over - maybe then you'll understand płytki gościu. A mooron to cię chyba spłodził.

To nie instaluj baranie Windowsa, nie kupuj Androida, nie używaj karty płatniczej i zrzeknij się obywatelstwa a w ogóle to wyjedź do Afryki, tam nie będziesz szpiegowany ani profilowany na każdym kroku. Szpiegowanie antyhackiem, ja pierdzielę. Was by się przydało szpiegować tylko po to, by waszego pokroju idiotów jak najszybciej usuwać ze społeczeństwa, żeby wszystkim żyło się lepiej. Banda debili przy okazji draki z Vanguardem wymyśliła bzdurę ze szpiegowaniem (bo jak ma przyznane prawa kernela, by mogło czytać wszystkie procesy w tle to oczywiste, że musi mieć rootkita, keylogger, backdoor i link do Czerwonej Książeczki), bo nie jest w stanie nawet pomyśleć, jak użyć noża do posmarowania chleba i teraz reszta ludzi musi żyć ze świadomością, że takie debile istnieją.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pjfm8RsxCQ masz, konkretna analiza pakietów, jakie Vanguard (i inne antycheaty) śle dalej. Jest tylko jeden faktyczny problem, jaki może wyniknąć z plików antycheata i uwaga - jest on związany z BŁĘDEM PODPISÓW STEROWNIKÓW PRZEZ SYSTEM, czytaj draka z AC w Genshinie czy jaką tam inną gierką. Co więcej, i tak debil musi ściągnąć zainfekowany plik i potem go odpalić. Kurtyna. Ewentualne RCE nie jest w żaden sposób związane z trybem funkcjonowania programu.

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