Game is too difficult

[subjenna]

Probably a skill issue, but I think the game is unfairly balanced, given I only played 10h or so.

In a race, if you manage to lead, you almost have to break through furniture, which will slow you down to the point of the AI overtaking you with no chance to reach them anymore. If you try to break clean, they will overtake you. If you're on a perfect line, in some or another corner they will slam into you and make you spin. There is no instant retry either.

Sorry, but this is just not fun. What do you want me to do in this game if the core gameplay is not fun?

[Me suive.]

Originally posted by subjenna:

Probably a skill issue, but I think the game is unfairly balanced, given I only played 10h or so.

In a race, if you manage to lead, you almost have to break through furniture, which will slow you down to the point of the AI overtaking you with no chance to reach them anymore. If you try to break clean, they will overtake you. If you're on a perfect line, in some or another corner they will slam into you and make you spin. There is no instant retry either.

Sorry, but this is just not fun. What do you want me to do in this game if the core gameplay is not fun?

OP, once you get to level 20 you could create custom tuning profiles and that would make a huge difference; you can fine tune the gearing, tyre pressure and differential as well as brake pressure so you can have fast launches, not understeer and can brake late without locking up the car.

There are some difficult and close races but they can be won with the right tuning. I am only at level 58 right now but I have completed the crown jewel races as well.

[(YSOB) Wolfantior]

Originally posted by subjenna:

Probably a skill issue, but I think the game is unfairly balanced, given I only played 10h or so.

In a race, if you manage to lead, you almost have to break through furniture, which will slow you down to the point of the AI overtaking you with no chance to reach them anymore. If you try to break clean, they will overtake you. If you're on a perfect line, in some or another corner they will slam into you and make you spin. There is no instant retry either.

Sorry, but this is just not fun. What do you want me to do in this game if the core gameplay is not fun?

get better at the game cause it for sure is a skill issue that you have!

[nigeldoyle3dkiwi]

What car are you driving? Early on in the game the best car by a long way is the Audi RS TT. Then for the dirt the buggy is a Meta car and pretty easy to win all dirt events.

[wonderpookie]

Game is difficult and therein lies the fun.

I played 8H yesterday. Race after race. 95% AI. Sometimes humans.

So many lols and "fudge yea!" from me due to close races. The AI make the game fun.

Persevere and you will get better and have fun. Good luck brother!

[subjenna]

Thanks for the encouragement, but it most certainly is not fun. Not having a difficulty selection is just the last straw of a completely broken experience. You can smell the dev's arrogance in every little design detail.
I decided to shelve it for now, even though I doubt the game will ever get fixed.

[trocapalot]

i hate this brainless elden ring mentality, calling it that is an insult to how good elden ring is really, the game is difficult because of the bs way the AI sometimes behaves, not because it's an actual difficult course or you have actual competent opponents, the ai is just constantly cheating and boosting with double the acceleration their vehicle should have when they're already at top speed, not having a difficulty slider is absolutely mind boggling and just shows an insane amount of incompetence, it's not fun

[wonderpookie]

Originally posted by trocapalot:

i hate this brainless elden ring mentality, calling it that is an insult to how good elden ring is really, the game is difficult because of the bs way the AI sometimes behaves, not because it's an actual difficult course or you have actual competent opponents, the ai is just constantly cheating and boosting with double the acceleration their vehicle should have when they're already at top speed, not having a difficulty slider is absolutely mind boggling and just shows an insane amount of incompetence, it's not fun

There defo was an element of AI cheating but honestly, it was minor and only on some tracks and being more honest still, not once since patch have I uttered the words "ffs... how did AI hold that line at that speed?!".

I have over 300H in game. Spent 8 fun hours grinding yesterday. If AI were cheating, I'd know and would NOT have had fun.

I'm not brain dead nor a glutton for punishment. I simply enjoy a challenge. I apologisr if it offends you, but it is a skill issue now if you're struggling.

[trocapalot]

Originally posted by wonderpookie:

Originally posted by trocapalot:

i hate this brainless elden ring mentality, calling it that is an insult to how good elden ring is really, the game is difficult because of the bs way the AI sometimes behaves, not because it's an actual difficult course or you have actual competent opponents, the ai is just constantly cheating and boosting with double the acceleration their vehicle should have when they're already at top speed, not having a difficulty slider is absolutely mind boggling and just shows an insane amount of incompetence, it's not fun

There defo was an element of AI cheating but honestly, it was minor and only on some tracks and being more honest still, not once since patch have I uttered the words "ffs... how did AI hold that line at that speed?!".

I have over 300H in game. Spent 8 fun hours grinding yesterday. If AI were cheating, I'd know and would NOT have had fun.

I'm not brain dead nor a glutton for punishment. I simply enjoy a challenge. I apologisr if it offends you, but it is a skill issue now if you're struggling.

i just installed the game to play one race, driving an m4 competetion while a mito boosts away with double the speed while i am already topped out at max speed, that's just brainless cheating by the ai and not fun, i can't fathom how someone would enjoy this "difficulty"

it's the same as giving enemies 10000hp and the player 1/10th, it's a way to spam difficulty in the most brainless way imaginable, the game's player count speaks for itself
maybe nacon rewards you with a sticker for riding that hard

[Maskerader]

Originally posted by wonderpookie:

I apologisr if it offends you, but it is a skill issue now if you're struggling.

I don't like "skill issue" argument not because it's offensive but because it's often useless. Okay, Player A is struggling with a game because he has lower skill than Player B. Now what? All's fine because Player B doesn't struggle? Not really. Difficulty should be adequate to the game's design and the audience that the game attracts. Looking at how the game works and what people say about difficulty, I would definitely say the devs missed the mark.

[fwyflyer]

If you were designing an "MMO racer", would you make it in such a way that an inexperienced racer could win every race without having to seriously work at it? Doing so, would result in little to no long term engagement. Instead, you'd have to design a racing game where wins were not easy to obtain until and unless you had plenty of experience or access to some really good setups. At least, I think that was the goal.

So, do the AI cheat? Yes.
Do the AI have an unfair advantage in terms of speed and grip? Yes
Are the AI unbeatable once you have plenty experience and have leveled up enough to tune your cars to your own driving style? Absolutely not.

Which race is more fun, the runaway win or the highly contested one? I'll take the one filled with lead changes, AI blocking, etc., every day of the week. An earned win is always more fulfilling than a runaway win.

You wont get handed wins on a silver platter in any MMO. Instead, you'll be required to learn, practice and optimize. Doesn't matter whether we are talking about Wow or TDUSC.

Note: I know that calling TDUSC an MMO racer is an immense stretch at the moment. I am just trying to explain why I think wins were not designed to be easy in this game. And, I'll add that it is the fact that I have to work for the win that keeps me coming back... oh, it is also the fact that the payout system doesn't leave me high and dry even if do happen to come in last place.

When you max out your levels, as I have, the grind is simple. I do three long races a day for about 1.2 million coin. And, I love the races so it doesn't feel like a grind at all...

Further, I get to buy a new car about once every two-three days. So, I now have 55 cars out of the 101 currently available. I have also posted a Multi-car Review to help everyone else with their purchasing decisions. I can also give tuning hints where necessary.

[trocapalot]

Originally posted by fwyflyer:

If you were designing an "MMO racer", would you make it in such a way that an inexperienced racer could win every race without having to seriously work at it? Doing so, would result in little to no long term engagement. Instead, you'd have to design a racing game where wins were not easy to obtain until and unless you had plenty of experience or access to some really good setups. At least, I think that was the goal.

So, do the AI cheat? Yes.
Do the AI have an unfair advantage in terms of speed and grip? Yes
Are the AI unbeatable once you have plenty experience and have leveled up enough to tune your cars to your own driving style? Absolutely not.

Which race is more fun, the runaway win or the highly contested one? I'll take the one filled with lead changes, AI blocking, etc., every day of the week. An earned win is always more fulfilling than a runaway win.

You wont get handed wins on a silver platter in any MMO. Instead, you'll be required to learn, practice and optimize. Doesn't matter whether we are talking about Wow or TDUSC.

Note: I know that calling TDUSC an MMO racer is an immense stretch at the moment. I am just trying to explain why I think wins were not designed to be easy in this game. And, I'll add that it is the fact that I have to work for the win that keeps me coming back... oh, it is also the fact that the payout system doesn't leave me high and dry even if do happen to come in last place.

When you max out your levels, as I have, the grind is simple. I do three long races a day for about 1.2 million coin. And, I love the races so it doesn't feel like a grind at all...

Further, I get to buy a new car about once every two-three days. So, I now have 55 cars out of the 101 currently available. I have also posted a Multi-car Review to help everyone else with their purchasing decisions. I can also give tuning hints where necessary.

it's funny how you mention WoW which is an actual MMO with the MMO tag on steam yet TDUSC promises to be an MMO and can't even put 1 person in a lobby with another person, a challenging race is great but this game has completely overdone it to the point where it's completely backwards and not fun, I want to play a fair race with no unfair moves which is almost completely impossible, you guys defending this have to be delusional, the player count speaks a thousand words and I'm not triyng to be offensive.
The AI cheats so bad, they casually beat world record times, in what world is this fun?
The main problem really just lies in the fact, that you cannot chose a difficulty, I love to play Sport in GT7 and almost 90% of my races are podium positions and I literally never struggle in racing games unless they use cheap mechanics to boost the AI to impossible speeds. The cars handle like garbage and are not fun to drive, GTA V is a better racing game compared to this pile of garbage.
This game is beyond repair, they can't even bother to put out a second patch.

[fwyflyer]

I think it takes 32 losses in a row to drop from Expert AI to beginner level AI. So, if you are one who continues to lose, the AI will adjust to you albeit slowly. The converse is also true, you don't get to expert AI unless you win a lot. Either way, you definitely have control over the AI level even if it isn't a toggle.

[wonderpookie]

Originally posted by fwyflyer:

I think it takes 32 losses in a row to drop from Expert AI to beginner level AI. So, if you are one who continues to lose, the AI will adjust to you albeit slowly. The converse is also true, you don't get to expert AI unless you win a lot. Either way, you definitely have control over the AI level even if it isn't a toggle.

I've also noticed that since patch, meta cars (Evija in hyper category for example) only come out after you keep on coming 1st at Expert.

Now the tactics have to change - block and take the best lines. On some tracks, I'm glad the AI pull out Evija... I know they will crash out at particular corners allowing me to take the lead. All of this must be taken into consideration and only adds to the fun for me.

I bet those struggling have yet to properly learn car upgrades and builds/setups... they make ALL the difference. EXAMPLE:- when road is wet, rain or not, all season tyres regardless of game's recommendation. If there is a straight, priortise turbo. If corners, prioritise torque and consider limiting max speed im favour of more down force by selecting acceleration mode. Also play around with gear ratios... staying in the power band really helps those tracks with corbering a lot. It's not just about maxing PR with whatever parts.

There is A LOT OF DEPTH here. The car handling is done well. If you are the type of player who just likes to pick up and play... game is not for you.

[wonderpookie]

Originally posted by trocapalot:

i just installed the game to play one race, driving an m4 competetion mito boosts away with double the speed while i am already topped out at max speed, that's just brainless cheating by the ai and not fun, i can't fathom how someone would enjoy this "difficulty"

All I can attest to is that this is NOT my experience.

Are you... carefully selecting parts to fit track? (eg turbo for straight sprint tracks and torque for corners? See my above post). Are you TUNING your car?

It makes a huge difference. You need a bit of patience and willingness to learn mechanics of the game.

[wonderpookie]

Originally posted by fwyflyer:

Are the AI unbeatable once you have plenty experience and have leveled up enough to tune your cars to your own driving style? Absolutely not.

Which race is more fun, the runaway win or the highly contested one? I'll take the one filled with lead changes,

100% agreed brother! Someone else who gets it.