Question for developer/publisher regarding Denuvo protection

[Finisher]

I respect decision of developers/publishers to implement Denuvo Anti-tamper technology in their product. However, the fact is that this type of protection also brings disadvantages, especially for the consumer. One of them is that the game is never owned by consumer even though he pays for it, unless this protection is later removed.
As someone who loves playing single-player games which are more than a decade old, I have a simple question for the developer, before I decide to buy this game. Do you plan to remove Denuvo protection for this game in the future?

Greetings and thank you for your reply.

[HeatherG]

No, if the anti-piracy software is used then it can't be removed at a later date.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by HeatherG:

No, if the anti-piracy software is used then it can't be removed at a later date.

Sorry, what? This is completely wrong information. Numerous publishers do remove Denuvo once they feel it has outlived its usefulness. So far, it has been removed from 74 games out of 256. (Source[www.pcgamingwiki.com]

However, Frontier has shared no plans for removing it for any reason at this time and we don't know if they ever will.

[Demonsouls1993]

Originally posted by Terofishy96:

I respect decision of developers/publishers to implement Denuvo Anti-tamper technology in their product. However, the fact is that this type of protection also brings disadvantages, especially for the consumer. One of them is that the game is never owned by consumer even though he pays for it, unless this protection is later removed.
As someone who loves playing single-player games which are more than a decade old, I have a simple question for the developer, before I decide to buy this game. Do you plan to remove Denuvo protection for this game in the future?

Greetings and thank you for your reply.

if you think its just denuvo that makes it so we dont own the very thing we paid for man do i have some info you for when we buy a game online we are only buying the license to use it the devs can pull it from under us at any time they wish

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Demonsouls1993:

if you think its just denuvo that makes it so we dont own the very thing we paid for man do i have some info you for when we buy a game online we are only buying the license to use it the devs can pull it from under us at any time they wish

That's only a US & Canada thing and a story that non-binding EULAs try to tell you.

In Europe for instance, the DCD[ec.europa.eu] which entered into force in 2021 clarified that by stating software are digital goods with the same status and guarantees as physical goods (i.e. it's not considered a service). The seller has the same obligations as for a physical item, and if a software stops working (i.e. if a DRM denies you access) the seller owes you a replacement or full refund for the duration of the license which on Steam is in perpetuity. Australia and many other countries are now using this as a basis for the modern regulation of digital commerce.

[Harbinger]

Frontier has never removed it from a game in the 6 years they've been using it. They have however stated that it would be removed in the eventuality of Denuvo authentication servers coming down on a permanent basis as this would render any games utilising it unplayable.

Short of that scenario playing out, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[HeatherG]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by HeatherG:

No, if the anti-piracy software is used then it can't be removed at a later date.

Sorry, what? This is completely wrong information. Numerous publishers do remove Denuvo once they feel it has outlived its usefulness. So far, it has been removed from 74 games out of 256. (Source[www.pcgamingwiki.com]

However, Frontier has shared no plans for removing it for any reason at this time and we don't know if they ever will. :clickbutton:

It's not wrong, as Harbinger has mentioned it's never been removed once it's "on"

[lukaself]

Originally posted by HeatherG:

Originally posted by lukaself:

Sorry, what? This is completely wrong information. Numerous publishers do remove Denuvo once they feel it has outlived its usefulness. So far, it has been removed from 74 games out of 256. (Source[www.pcgamingwiki.com]

However, Frontier has shared no plans for removing it for any reason at this time and we don't know if they ever will.

It's not wrong, as Harbinger has mentioned it's never been removed once it's "on"

You said it can't be removed, which is wrong.

[HeatherG]

I'm talking about Frontier since we're in a forum for a game developed by Frontier. If it has denuvo it has never been removed at a later date.

[Harbinger]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by HeatherG:

It's not wrong, as Harbinger has mentioned it's never been removed once it's "on"

You said it can't be removed, which is wrong. :clickbutton:

We moderators are not infallible and it's easy to make a mistake in the way we phrase things which is why I posted to clarify any misunderstanding.

Lets not get into semantics. Both of us essentially gave the same answer.

[TyranntX]

Abandon thread while you still can folks, we got another "Denuvo is bad" topic.

[Sweatington]

I don't see a problem with this. Wouldn't stop me from buying the game.

[Finisher]

Originally posted by Sweatington:

I don't see a problem with this. Wouldn't stop me from buying the game.

Few months ago Denuvo had technical problems with authentication servers and because of that many players couldn’t even start the games that use Denuvo protection. This problem lasted all weekend and of course Frontier games were affected too, there were many topics about mentioned problem here as well. This means that games with Denuvo protection have one big flaw and to claim that Denuvo is a fine solution is naive and ignorant. It affects consumer directly and his/her right to own digital product which he bought with his own hard earned money.

[TyranntX]

Originally posted by Terofishy96:

Originally posted by Sweatington:

I don't see a problem with this. Wouldn't stop me from buying the game.

Few months ago Denuvo had technical problems with authentication servers and because of that many players couldn’t even start the games that use Denuvo protection. This problem lasted all weekend and of course Frontier games were affected too, there were many topics about mentioned problem here as well. This means that games with Denuvo protection have one big flaw and to claim that Denuvo is a fine solution is naive and ignorant. It affects consumer directly and his right to own digital product which he bought with his own hard earned money.

But you can play this game offline, so what's the problem? Also did you just assume all customers are male? In addition, you stated that this was something that happened months ago, Implying that it has been absolved for a while now. So why are you trying to open up old wounds?

[Finisher]

Originally posted by TyranntX:

Originally posted by Terofishy96:

Few months ago Denuvo had technical problems with authentication servers and because of that many players couldn’t even start the games that use Denuvo protection. This problem lasted all weekend and of course Frontier games were affected too, there were many topics about mentioned problem here as well. This means that games with Denuvo protection have one big flaw and to claim that Denuvo is a fine solution is naive and ignorant. It affects consumer directly and his right to own digital product which he bought with his own hard earned money.

But you can play this game offline, so what's the problem? Also did you just assume all customers are male? In addition, you stated that this was something that happened months ago, Implying that it has been absolved for a while now. So why are you trying to open up old wounds?

I'm sorry, I fixed it. I mentioned this, because some argue that Denuvo is not a problem when in fact it is obviously.

[TyranntX]

Originally posted by Terofishy96:

Originally posted by TyranntX:

But you can play this game offline, so what's the problem? Also did you just assume all customers are male? In addition, you stated that this was something that happened months ago, Implying that it has been absolved for a while now. So why are you trying to open up old wounds?

I'm sorry, I fixed it. I mentioned this, because some argue that Denuvo is not a problem when in fact it is obviously.

And what problems are there for THIS game specifically?