the monetization is still a MASSIVE issue.

[Mittens]

Expecting people to pay $32 for in-game armor is absolutely ridiculous and it's going to continue to bring this game down. I enjoy playing this, i've got my spartan looking the way i want, and unfortunately i can't see myself spending any more money in this as i don't support this level of corporate meddling.
The "Micro" in microtransaction has been completely thrown out the window now, a single armor bundle costs as much as the MCC on steam. How can anyone in their right mind think that is acceptable?
they fill these bundles with useless clutter and have one shiny thing that people would want, but can't buy separately. They NEED to buy the entire $32 bundle for it.

This game needs to see some change in monetisation. At the VERY LEAST make it consumer friendly.

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Chicky Lumps:

Originally posted by Shagohod:

I spent $10 on season 2. With that $10, You can get Season 1, 3, 4, & 5 without spending anything else. That is a ton of customization. And all the operations are free while live. I do think that the in game s tore is pretty bad, but considering it's a F2P multiplayer and you only have to spend $10 to get 5 seasons worth of content isn't so bad to me.

Really the problem is the huge gap between the fairly reasonable $10 for 5 seasons of cosmetics, and the inane price on everything else. Such exorbitant shop prices on everything other than the passes is suicidal on Microsoft's part, it basically guarantees that the large majority of players who do spend any money on the cosmetics will spend exactly and only $10 ever. Sure some will cave and buy a $20 armor set or $10 effect, but I doubt it's enough to make up for the lost business with the majority of player that might buy reasonably priced store items.

lets not forget that the passes also went from 100 items to 50, which means a lot of items were taken out of them to be sold in the store

[A-Space-Turkey]

$32 is not a lot of money to spend on a pass-time, especially as an adult. Don't be a cheapskate. If you can't afford it, then don't buy it. It's a very simple concept. Nobody owes you ♥♥♥♥ for free.

[Mittens]

Originally posted by A-Space-Turkey:

$32 is not a lot of money to spend on a pass-time, especially as an adult. Don't be a cheapskate. If you can't afford it, then don't buy it. It's a very simple concept. Nobody owes you ♥♥♥♥ for free.

ask yourself this. why is a cosmetic armor bundle priced the same as Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 4, Halo ODST and Halo Reach along with their respected multiplayer modes TOGETHER. I'm not the cheapskate, it's corporate greed and meddling.

The prices of these bundles quite literally imply that they're worth more than the games that allowed the bundle to exist in the first place. it makes no sense.

[Bizargh]

Originally posted by Mittens:

Originally posted by A-Space-Turkey:

$32 is not a lot of money to spend on a pass-time, especially as an adult. Don't be a cheapskate. If you can't afford it, then don't buy it. It's a very simple concept. Nobody owes you ♥♥♥♥ for free.

Ask yourself this: Why is a cosmetic armour bundle priced the same as Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST, Halo: Reach & Halo 4 along with their respected multiplayer modes together? I'm not the cheapskate, it's corporate greed and meddling.

The prices of these bundles quite literally imply that they're worth more than the games that allowed the bundle to exist in the first place. It makes no sense.

In fairness, Halo: The Master Chief Collection currently sits at US$40/UK£34 (Minus one cent/pence, of course), but with how frequently it joins Steam Sales & how significantly discounted it is when it does, you'll very often see it[steamdb.info] for US$10/UK£8.50 (Minus one cent/pence again), which makes the customer feel like they the ones committing daylight robbery (At least to any that are able to avoid or tolerate the many headaches the Microsoft Account requirement often needlessly causes) in comparison to the daylight robbery Microsoft's clearly trying to commit on customers with the Halo Infinite Shop, never mind elsewhere (I recall Gears of War 5 also replacing the legally-precarious-as-they-bloody-well-should-be Loot Boxes from Gears of War 4 for piss-taking prices & grinds as well).

But, as mentioned before:

Originally posted by Bizargh:

([The prices] are more often than not ridiculous to the point that a singular armour set can cost just as much as the 'Deluxe Edition' of some fully-fledged games such as HEDON (The Crystal Heart & Bloodrite) when they're not on sale)

so, nevertheless, "As the water treatment engineer said of his favourite outflow pipe, that's taking a lot of piss." - Ben 'Yahtzee' Crowshaw, Zero Punctuation (Call of Duty: Black Ops 4).

I'll refer back to my previous to save me repeating my thoughts on how it's not just prices that are an issue.

[Swarmfly]

Had all or most of the horse armor MTX been available for use in the campaign mode as well, perhaps we might entertain the idea that they could potentially be worth paying for.

[MisterEdd]

Originally posted by Mittens:

Expecting people to pay $32 for in-game armor is absolutely ridiculous and it's going to continue to bring this game down. I enjoy playing this, i've got my spartan looking the way i want, and unfortunately i can't see myself spending any more money in this as i don't support this level of corporate meddling.
The "Micro" in microtransaction has been completely thrown out the window now, a single armor bundle costs as much as the MCC on steam. How can anyone in their right mind think that is acceptable?
they fill these bundles with useless clutter and have one shiny thing that people would want, but can't buy separately. They NEED to buy the entire $32 bundle for it.

This game needs to see some change in monetisation. At the VERY LEAST make it consumer friendly.

I really understand the direction of just not wanting any microtransactions in a game. Plenty of games that use them hurt the user experience letting the transactions dictate every decision down to how the ui is organized. Honestly this game is free and the microtransactions are not offensive at all. Everything is kept in the customization/store and if you ignore those two they really don't matter. I have been playing a lot of tekken 8 lately and tekken in general has always been known for the stylization of it's characters. It's undoubtedly an important aspect of the game and has been a large reason why the franchise has the staying power it has regardless of actual game-play. In a game like that mtx is really disappointing and really makes you feel like a chump. It's usually pretty crappy to just say just ignore them it's free but in the case of halo infinite I think its justified. If you ignore it it doesn't hurt the experience at all. It's a skill based multiplayer game with aesthetics that range from cool power ranger guy to dumber looking power ranger guy. This is fine as at the very least it's consistent. I also cannot understate the fact that you literally never look at your own character because it's a first person game. Again ive been playing tekken and i totally get drawn into aesthetics of games and believe while its not fundemental to a good game its still very important to get drawn into for something you might spend 1000+ hours in but in this case its entirely pointless.

[Mittens]

Originally posted by MisterEdd:

Originally posted by Mittens:

Expecting people to pay $32 for in-game armor is absolutely ridiculous and it's going to continue to bring this game down. I enjoy playing this, i've got my spartan looking the way i want, and unfortunately i can't see myself spending any more money in this as i don't support this level of corporate meddling.
The "Micro" in microtransaction has been completely thrown out the window now, a single armor bundle costs as much as the MCC on steam. How can anyone in their right mind think that is acceptable?
they fill these bundles with useless clutter and have one shiny thing that people would want, but can't buy separately. They NEED to buy the entire $32 bundle for it.

This game needs to see some change in monetisation. At the VERY LEAST make it consumer friendly.

I really understand the direction of just not wanting any microtransactions in a game. Plenty of games that use them hurt the user experience letting the transactions dictate every decision down to how the ui is organized. Honestly this game is free and the microtransactions are not offensive at all. Everything is kept in the customization/store and if you ignore those two they really don't matter. I have been playing a lot of tekken 8 lately and tekken in general has always been known for the stylization of it's characters. It's undoubtedly an important aspect of the game and has been a large reason why the franchise has the staying power it has regardless of actual game-play. In a game like that mtx is really disappointing and really makes you feel like a chump. It's usually pretty crappy to just say just ignore them it's free but in the case of halo infinite I think its justified. If you ignore it it doesn't hurt the experience at all. It's a skill based multiplayer game with aesthetics that range from cool power ranger guy to dumber looking power ranger guy. This is fine as at the very least it's consistent. I also cannot understate the fact that you literally never look at your own character because it's a first person game. Again ive been playing tekken and i totally get drawn into aesthetics of games and believe while its not fundemental to a good game its still very important to get drawn into for something you might spend 1000+ hours in but in this case its entirely pointless.

Microtransactions are okay, but can you PLEASE tell me what is "micro" about armor costing $32. This isn't $2 horse armor anymore.
The game also shows you your character at every given moment. It's on the main menu, it's every time you start a match, die in the match, win the match, the game puts a lot of focus on player identity. don't act like it doesn't.

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Swarmfly:

Had all or most of the horse armor MTX been available for use in the campaign mode as well, perhaps we might entertain the idea that they could potentially be worth paying for.

You cant call it horse armor MTX. Horse armor was $2. This costs the same as MCC.

[Dibbadong]

Originally posted by Tomb Raider:

One thing: what forces you or anyone to spend for anything? Especially if ovepriced. I only bought 2 Seasons since tha tcontent worth it and since 2nd season you earned back it's price.

MTX, Live service, DLCs it the way the market currently operates. We can't do nothing about it... well, not much. Keep our voice heard, sooner or later business will change.

"we cant do anything" except not buying it and actively calling it out all the time, and maybe stop defending it cause "everyone else does it."

[The Traveler]

Originally posted by Velvet Kevorkian:

Originally posted by Tomb Raider:

One thing: what forces you or anyone to spend for anything? Especially if ovepriced. I only bought 2 Seasons since tha tcontent worth it and since 2nd season you earned back it's price.

MTX, Live service, DLCs it the way the market currently operates. We can't do nothing about it... well, not much. Keep our voice heard, sooner or later business will change.

"we cant do anything" except not buying it and actively calling it out all the time, and maybe stop defending it cause "everyone else does it."

Personally you can do anything, like the OP, like you. Since you go against one to a million? And not talking about Halo, but every single game has BP and TMX system. If the gaming society 70% defy against this system and the income falls in every games. Maybe(!) publishers think to make a change on the current business model. Till that...

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Tomb Raider:

Originally posted by Velvet Kevorkian:

"we cant do anything" except not buying it and actively calling it out all the time, and maybe stop defending it cause "everyone else does it."

Personally you can do anything, like the OP, like you. Since you go against one to a million? And not talking about Halo, but every single game has BP and TMX system. If the gaming society 70% defy against this system and the income falls in every games. Maybe(!) publishers think to make a change on the current business model. Till that...

be the change you want to see in the world, regardless of how small you feel