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ThaDominator4 1 de abr. às 10:31
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Halo Infinite doesn't deserve this much hate.
Yes, I know: I'm gonna get so much hate for saying this but please here me out.

1) People saying, "Let the game die." I honestly get where they're coming from but Halo Infinite's multiplayer is awesome! Sure, the Fortnite cosmetics are ridiculous and so cringy, but the rest is great! Grappling is so fun! The maps are cool! Halo Infinite needs more players to keep it alive.

2) It's not Halo 3. Yes, of course it's not! Nothing ever will be, but Halo Infinite doesn't deserve to get bashed for not being Halo 3. It's like hating someone because they aren't as good as someone else.

3) 343 Industries tries their best. It takes years to make a game and if I made a game in 6 years I wouldn't want people to hate on it. The people who make games have lives too. Do they need the money? Yes! Micro-transactions are irritating but you can stick to your current cosmetics and earn some more.

So, in conclusion: Halo Infinite is not bad at all! (This is MY opinion and you don't have to agree!) People say, "343 hates us." Do they? or do you hate them?
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Flare 12 de abr. às 6:37 
Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
Those are your lies about what I wrote, where are mine?
Another strawman argument because you lost the discussion.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
Yeah and this is clear projection I said that because you kept getting the most basic information on the previous games wrong and think buying special editions magically turns you into an og, you still get basic information wrong all you did was google a guide instead of; playing the game yourself
Buying special editions especially physical copies makes me an OG. While your strawman argument can claim I buy these copies on EBay, I still have the first Xbox and Xbox 360 to prove it. What you're saying is an insult to people who choose to support developers who have passion for video gaming during the day.

To compare it with today's standards, what you're implying is, whoever pre orders games (which costs less on holiday discounts after a few months) do not support the developers in any way. I bought Halo CE - Halo 4 and all of them are physical copies straight from the day they were released.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
the only one you seem to be the most familiar with is reach but all you spout is dmr dmr dmr armor lock armor lock armor lock, do you even know how many shots it takes to super combine with the needler rifle on unshielded targets?
I did not "spout" dmr. Infact I've only mentioned dmr 4 times in my previous discussionn and armor lock only once. The reason why I mentioned dmr and armor lock is because both of them are hated throughout the Halo community. The needler rifle is not your default weapon on spawn unless you're playing the Covenant on Invasion.
https://www.halopedia.org/Loadout

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
https://x.com/MartyTheElder/status/1640482730558525440 Just because it proves you wrong doesn't make it AI; top this off Marty often gets info wrong on stuff he didn't actually work on and has been corrected by his former co-workers mainly by paul russel who deleted his twitter
The entire Vice post is generated by ChatGPT and had nothing to do with this discussion. And this specific post by Marty has nothing to do with the discussion. All I said is, instead of believe a post generated by AI, maybe listen to podcasts by the developers themselves.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
No I will not
Then I'm just going to ignore your post completely and use the same strawman argument you made. If you're not going to make a fair comparison in sales then there's no comparison at all.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
No you just said auto's are worthless despite the fact that only applies to 3 and reach, they're a little better in reach except all the elites have whack ass shields that can tank 2 emp shots before falling
Did you even watch The Act Man's Halo 4 review? I've even included the timestamp.

11:00 "What you end up doing is hanging back and shooting eveything from range using precision weapons because getting in close to mid range puts you in the range of undodgeable attacks"
13:32 "In Halo 4 your worst enemy is the weapons and ammo themselves"
14:28 "The storm rifle and suppressor are the most useless weapons"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-x-1kS6TpQ

The Elites on Reach aren't a threat unless you're playing on Legendary. You can easily take them down with an automatic weapon and melee them at close range.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050511020437/http://halo2sucks.com/ Again with the lying dude
You're linking me a post on a guy who is venting on Halo 2's Multiplayer. He even stated in his post -
"We all know spamming people point blank with an SMG or any variation of an SMG combination never gets “stale”.
So I don't know what point you're trying to prove here. Your previous post was -
Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
"OGs" have been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for years about how the AR shouldn't be viable and use halo 3 as a source for that, despite the fact that halo 3 and reach are the only games were auto's are useless in both campaign and multiplayer
And the website you linked has the guy praising SMGs.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
And where exactly did I say percisions were useless in the bungie games? any where? No? No I never said that? I know the ol' 3 tap was OP but I also played a ton of games with the pistol removed from matches and the other guns didn't take an eternity to get a kill like they would in 3
Can you quote my post where I said you claimed precisions weapons are useless? Again, another strawman argument. And the discussion is about the Campaign. Nobody cares if you played a Multiplayer match with the pistol removed.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
And the actman was just outright lying about auto's in 4 343i has consisently made them viable agaisnt things like the dmr and br at close range and that made bungo boys mad because bungie couldn't properly balance weapons and they claim the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weapon balance was intentional (it wasn't)
If he's lying then why do so many people agree with what he said? Maybe do your own podcast and tell people that he's lying? Because your opinion is strawman unless its validated by OG Halo fans like him.

If you actually think Bungie's weapon are unbalanced then that's a skill issue on your side. Because the Covenant and Flood were fun to fight compared to 343i's Covenant 2.0 and Prometheans. And almost every Halo Youtuber can agree with this.

14:42 "Prometheans are the single worst enemy in any Halo game"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2XcD7BV95E
Última alteração por Flare; 12 de abr. às 6:47
KairanShadow 12 de abr. às 7:12 
Originalmente postado por Flare:
The entire Vice post is generated by ChatGPT and had nothing to do with this discussion. And this specific post by Marty has nothing to do with the discussion. All I said is, instead of believe a post generated by AI, maybe listen to podcasts by the developers themselves.

The article that proves you wrong is irrelavant and also made by chaptgpt but the twitter link of marty talking about the vice article is irrelevant

Originalmente postado por Flare:
Did you even watch The Act Man's Halo 4 review? I've even included the timestamp.

I did when it first came out and that tiny peen energy of a man deleted all comments disagreeing with him, the storm rifle is actually fairly solid, it's basically a combination of the plasma rifle and plasma repeater

the supressor and scattershot are the actually bad weapons one's bullet velocity is slower than a spartans walking speed and the others spread is far to wide for 6 pellets but that's literally 2 out 24 weapons

he also throws the pulse grenade and literally says its bad because it doesn't act exactly like the plasma grenade, like no duh you wouldn't do that with the frag grenade either he without bothering to experiment thought it would be exactly like an incendiary, you should know, the no skill sticky that only appeared in halo 3 and no where else

pulse is more of an area denial grenade, it's perfect for protecting flags blocking of doors for a few seconds and ambushing, it's a support grenade in the same way the overcharge pp is

Originalmente postado por Flare:
And the website you linked has the guy praising SMGs.

I have had literally thousands of pistol vs. pistol showdowns in Halo 1. Not one of them, no matter how similar to another, was ever stale.
How intense and exciting is it to spray and pray? How much room for improvement is there in an SMG spam fest?

You call this praising smgs?
Originalmente postado por Flare:
Then I'm just going to ignore your post completely and use the same strawman argument you made. If you're not going to make a fair comparison in sales then there's no comparison at all.

So you stupidly remove context again to make a point that can't work without the context you removed


Originalmente postado por Flare:
Because your opinion is strawman unless its validated by OG Halo fans like him.

Well glad to see you imply im right but are too stubborn to admit it, because why else would you move the goalpost to saturn

maybe i'll pull an actman and spend $20k on bots to inflate my opinion
Fax_the_Sender 12 de abr. às 9:21 
i look forward to when the service ends and modder's can fix up the stuff that remains unfixed.

can't come soon enough.
itzDerrio 12 de abr. às 9:47 
saying this game doesnt deserve hate is saying that halo doesnt deserve to be better. 343 is not good at making halo games.
Fax_the_Sender 12 de abr. às 11:36 
Originalmente postado por itzDerrio:
saying this game doesnt deserve hate is saying that halo doesnt deserve to be better. 343 is not good at making halo games.

still i don't they suck quite as much as say ubisoft. they've become masters at ruining franchises and churning out garbage games, just a shame the games, such as they are still sell well....sends the wrong message.

halo anniversary and halo 4, 5, inf have flaws but at least they are playable. many new ubisoft games are so bad it ruins what fun there is.

ubisoft is top of my s list.
Última alteração por Fax_the_Sender; 12 de abr. às 11:37
PUB 12 de abr. às 14:18 
Infinite mechanics is the best out of all the Halos. The rest of the game sucks because either it was never thought through or not finished. it is simple. Infinite was just good enough for people to like it. When a game costs this much to produce and the studio does not listen to its fan base, it deserves all the hate that comes with it.
Fax_the_Sender 13 de abr. às 4:12 
making infinite a live service was the dumbest decision yet that 343 made.

they learnt nothing from the halo 5 backlash.

it's like they just looked at games like r6 siege and thought, yeah, we'll do that.
KairanShadow 13 de abr. às 4:54 
Originalmente postado por Fax_the_Sender:
making infinite a live service was the dumbest decision yet that 343 made.

they learnt nothing from the halo 5 backlash.

it's like they just looked at games like r6 siege and thought, yeah, we'll do that.

damn didn't know 343 were behind the live service idea for sea of thieves and gears 5

oh wait thats microsoft
Flare 13 de abr. às 4:56 
Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
The article that proves you wrong is irrelavant and also made by chaptgpt but the twitter link of marty talking about the vice article is irrelevant
That article is written by ChatGPT. At the very least link your sources from podcasts by former Bungie employees. You can find many of them on Youtube.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
I did when it first came out and that tiny peen energy of a man deleted all comments disagreeing with him, the storm rifle is actually fairly solid, it's basically a combination of the plasma rifle and plasma repeater
Do you have any proof or sources that The Act Man deleted these 'hate' comments? Because all of his Halo videos have 95% Likes which means the majority of Halo fans agree with his opinion. And no, the Halo 4 storm rifle was garbage compared to the plasma rifle in Halo 2.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
he also throws the pulse grenade and literally says its bad because it doesn't act exactly like the plasma grenade, like no duh you wouldn't do that with the frag grenade either he without bothering to experiment thought it would be exactly like an incendiary, you should know, the no skill sticky that only appeared in halo 3 and no where else

pulse is more of an area denial grenade, it's perfect for protecting flags blocking of doors for a few seconds and ambushing, it's a support grenade in the same way the overcharge pp is
Grenades are made to flush the enemy from cover. If the Prometheans who are basically ancient human civilization robots are unable to make a better grenade than M9 Grenade, then its obvious 343i ran out of ideas. Not to mention most of the Promethean weapons are copy pasta of Bungie's weapons.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
You call this praising smgs?
He's not complaining about SMGs being weak or useless. He's just saying its not fun to spray and pray. If anything, he prefers BR's just like how I prefer DMR's.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
So you stupidly remove context again to make a point that can't work without the context you removed
It's not stupid when your context was completely irrelevant to the discussion or in this case not a fair comparison. It's like comparing Fortnite with Baldur's Gate 3 to see which is the better shooter game. In this scenario you're comparing Halo Wars which came out in 2009 to the first Command and Conquer game in 1995.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
Well glad to see you imply im right but are too stubborn to admit it, because why else would you move the goalpost to saturn

maybe i'll pull an actman and spend $20k on bots to inflate my opinion
You're wrong on every accord. And you have no proof that The Act Man hires bots to back his opinions. Again, you're making another strawman argument because you lost the debate.
KairanShadow 13 de abr. às 5:31 
Originalmente postado por Flare:
Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
The article that proves you wrong is irrelavant and also made by chaptgpt but the twitter link of marty talking about the vice article is irrelevant
That article is written by ChatGPT. At the very least link your sources from podcasts by former Bungie employees. You can find many of them on Youtube.

No you're just going to say "that isn't them defending 343 thats ai voices" like how you seriously think that about the vice article despite me linking marty's own twitter stating he was interviewed by them as chatgpt


Originalmente postado por Flare:
Do you have any proof or sources that The Act Man deleted these 'hate' comments?

The complete lack of anyone correcting him in the comments is plenty evidence
Originalmente postado por Flare:
Because all of his Halo videos have 95% Likes which means the majority of Halo fans agree with his opinion

wow what a strawman argument, thinking every single like is by someone that played the franchise , almost as if you have nothing to validate you're wrong points or something
Originalmente postado por Flare:
And no, the Halo 4 storm rifle was garbage compared to the plasma rifle in Halo 2.

Originalmente postado por Flare:
He's not complaining about SMGs being weak or useless. He's just saying its not fun to spray and pray. If anything, he prefers BR's just like how I prefer DMR's.

He says theres no skill in spam fests simply because you can't headshot with them, but lets be real the pistol was still a spam fest you could try and manipulate the game by keeping red reticle off the body so it'll only magnetize to the head but thats programmed not to be guaranteed and a certain unintentionally left in mechanic is the only thing preventing halo 2 brs from being spam fests too

Hey thanks for inadvertently proving my point about auto's being horrible in 3 and reach, no no, no backpeddling now people can see the original posts so don't even try and hide it in edits again
Originalmente postado por Flare:
It's not stupid when your context was completely irrelevant to the discussion or in this case not a fair comparison

What a spoiled tantrum of a reaction; no something proving your wrong isn't magically irrelevant nor is it not a fair comparison especially when you tried to say halo wars was the most successful rts of all time with a wiki quote you had no caveats to that and you instantly back peddled on that to be recent to 2009 (SCII was more popular btw) and had to be relevant to halo, which theres only 2 rts games and the sequel barely sold more units despite improving on everything the first game introduced gameplay and level design wise, no Arcadia ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. So from you're original standpoint you're wrong on it being the best selling of all time, you're wrong on it being the most popular in its recent time and you're wrong on it being the rts halo compared to the one made under 343, going "lalalala" doesn't magically make you right.

Originalmente postado por Flare:
You're wrong on every accord. And you have no proof that The Act Man hires bots to back his opinions. Again, you're making another strawman argument because you lost the debate.

You're entire debate methods of have been "nuh uh cause im an og" "nuh uh thats a strawman" "nuh uh some D list internet celebrity shares my opinion" and "nuh uh thats ai cause it proves me wrong" You've lost every single argument by just outright getting basic information on any of the games wrong, im sure after googling for confirmation bias you learned just a smidge more about the franchise but it still pales in comparison to actually playing the games. To be fair to act man it's not him using bots bot probably empresscortana using her sisters stolen credit card topped with Youtube actively pushing ragebait, any positive video with 3.5m views? nah that won't get the front page but this 2k views on the latest rage bait trend sure will! and they've been doing that since the 2012 algorithm change

And you're going to keep losing the debate by trying to use someone else opinions and trying to use the one ex bungie employee that burned bridges with his former friends for internet points
ya? check out the stats for this gameI

https://steamcharts.com/app/1240440
Flare 13 de abr. às 7:07 
Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
No you're just going to say "that isn't them defending 343 thats ai voices" like how you seriously think that about the vice article despite me linking marty's own twitter stating he was interviewed by them as chatgpt
I don't make strawman arguments like you do. If you actually have former Bungie employees talking on how bad the workplace is during the development of Halo CE - Reach, I'll gladly listen. But don't link irrelevant videos about Microsoft. There's a video on that The Act Man already did with Marty O'Donnell.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
The complete lack of anyone correcting him in the comments is plenty evidence
Yet you're making another strawman statement that makes no sense at all. Even his Like/Dislike ratio proves people agree with his Halo videos.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
wow what a strawman argument, thinking every single like is by someone that played the franchise , almost as if you have nothing to validate you're wrong points or something
Yes the majority of his viewers are OG Bungie Halo players just like me. And there's so many ways to validate this and one of them being the downfall of Halo Infinite's playerbase.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
Hey thanks for inadvertently proving my point about auto's being horrible in 3 and reach, no no, no backpeddling now people can see the original posts so don't even try and hide it in edits again
I've not edit my post and your replies can prevent me from doing that. I've only mentioned Halo 4 having the worst automatic weapons which include the suppressor and storm rifle. Bungie's automatic weapons are valid because the enemies you encounter in Halo 3 and Reach are viable against any weapon you choose to counter them with.

You're trying really hard to counter argument by twisting words between Campaign and Multiplayer. But this conversation started with the Campaign. As for Multiplayer, its been BRs since Halo 2.

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
What a spoiled tantrum of a reaction; no something proving your wrong isn't magically irrelevant nor is it not a fair comparison especially when you tried to say halo wars was the most successful rts of all time with a wiki quote you had no caveats to that and you instantly back peddled on that to be recent to 2009 (SCII was more popular btw) and had to be relevant to halo, which theres only 2 rts games and the sequel barely sold more units despite improving on everything the first game introduced gameplay and level design wise, no Arcadia ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. So from you're original standpoint you're wrong on it being the best selling of all time, you're wrong on it being the most popular in its recent time and you're wrong on it being the rts halo compared to the one made under 343, going "lalalala" doesn't magically make you right.
The source is from the wiki. And it took me a simple research to prove your point wrong when you stated Ensemble Studios was shut down due to Halo Wars. Star Craft 2 wasn't released on consoles.

I know reading is hard for you but let me quote the wiki -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_Wars
"The game sold one million units worldwide through March 2009, making it the best-selling console real-time strategy game to date."

Originalmente postado por KairanShadow:
You're entire debate methods of have been "nuh uh cause im an og" "nuh uh thats a strawman" "nuh uh some D list internet celebrity shares my opinion" and "nuh uh thats ai cause it proves me wrong" You've lost every single argument by just outright getting basic information on any of the games wrong, im sure after googling for confirmation bias you learned just a smidge more about the franchise but it still pales in comparison to actually playing the games. To be fair to act man it's not him using bots bot probably empresscortana using her sisters stolen credit card topped with Youtube actively pushing ragebait, any positive video with 3.5m views? nah that won't get the front page but this 2k views on the latest rage bait trend sure will! and they've been doing that since the 2012 algorithm change

And you're going to keep losing the debate by trying to use someone else opinions and trying to use the one ex bungie employee that burned bridges with his former friends for internet points
Because that's how arguments work when debating against someone like you who disregards other people's opinions and using strawman arguments without any context, evidence or proof.

I have to link wiki, reddit posts and the opinion of Youtubers to further prove you wrong aside from my own opinions otherwise your fallacy might sound like the truth to some. To know the truth, a person needs to do their research which you clearly have not done once. Instead you took, no, wasted your time by providing a link from an AI generate Vice post.

After all I've said and proven you wrong on multiple occasions, you're claiming that The Act Man uses bots for his Like/Dislike ratio and comments which is downright childish. Now your nerves are hitting you again and you're spouting out nonsense about empresscortana using her sister stolen credit card, like who cares?

Just like 343i, you completely stay away from the discussion of Halo because aside from losing the debate, you have no passion for the franchise.
KairanShadow 13 de abr. às 7:24 
Originalmente postado por Flare:
Because that's how arguments work when debating against someone like you who disregards other people's opinions and using strawman arguments without any context, evidence or proof.

Thank you for admitting I "won" this argument by just outright admitting everything you don't agree with is a strawman, not evidence, and somehow not proof, all future comments of yours just further prove this

You wanna prove me wrong get me a podcast of Joe staten, Paul Russel, Marcus Lehto, Max Hoberman, and Paul Bertone agreeing with anything you say, iT sHouLnD'T bE tHaT hArD"
Última alteração por KairanShadow; 13 de abr. às 7:25
TazVibez 13 de abr. às 10:40 
Yeah no, Kid. This game sum ahh...
clarkeveritas 13 de abr. às 17:57 
Well, Destiny has done the "Open World Halo" thing VERY well for a while now, the problem was that they gave Halo Ownership (Microsoft) to people that were VERY mediocre. Halo 4 was ok, but you could certainly tell that the devs were much worse than Bungie.

It's such a shame that Destiny has gone on for so long that people take it for granted and don't see it as anything special. They went from making the Halo Games (the ONLY reason XBOX exists today, and it's easy to see why- the people in charge are NOT very good at their jobs)

I know the angry mobs are angry at Destiny right now- but if that game released today with zero knowledge it would be the biggest selling game of our era. People just have quite a short attention span. Perhaps why memes and those videos that show 100 people getting hit in the balls over a 1 minute span are so popular.
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