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They respected the lore, listened to feedback and made one of the most badass 40k game ever, all without the help of a multi billion dollar company like Microsoft. Hence their game is well received by fans.
My source is a reddit discussion. One of them stating two former Bungie employees whom played a big role in Bungie's Halo. The other former Bungie employees do not have much of a say in the writing and production of Halo 4.
Frank O'Connor only assisted with the writing but never was in charge. You can find both the Writers and Producers of Halo 4 in the Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_4
I'm not on any sub reddit. I'm not a redditor. However I do my research before posting on any forum or discussion. In this case, I provided you a reddit post which had information and a link towards the staff production of Halo 4.
You literally tried to call me out by telling me I'm not an OG fan on your previous post. I'm just telling you that you're wrong. You don't have to play CE to be an OG fan, but you have to at the very least experience the original's to understand and appreciate what Halo is or in this case, was. Halo is not the glorified sci-fi shooter like 343i tells you it is. And Halo is definitely not a franchise to be taken for granted and sold to make the worst TV series ever made.
I'm reading the source you linked and I can't make sense of it. It feels like opinions from different people at once and the grammar is hard to read. Was this written by ChatGPT?
"For better or worse, Halo was a perfect storm. As its history has been told to me—a tangled knot of design, contracts, platforms, ideas, direction and incredible achievement—an ideal distillation is something that could realistically never be recreated. Perhaps the saga is saddled with an impossible legacy, its most fascinating points deviations from that mode, some left unseen."
You literally said "Yes because this is someone who truly cares for the franchise says while hiding any and all information about themselves" on your previous comment. What weak attempt did I do to dox you? And what other game discussions am I in?
Wrong how? I clearly stated that Nylund's books sold well and nobody cared that it wasn't written by Bungie. The Wiki itself states its success and influence towards both the fans and Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_The_Fall_of_Reach
"The book was well received by critics, who thought it added depth to the plot of the game, but the large number of characters was highlighted as a shortcoming. Going on to sell over one million copies, the success of The Fall of Reach paved the way for further Xbox game novelizations, including another book in the Halo series."
Halo Wars sold at a heavy loss? Where are you getting your information from? The game sold a million copies near launch and was considered the best RTS sold at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_Wars
"The game sold one million units worldwide through March 2009, making it the best-selling console real-time strategy game to date."
Ensemble was not closed down because of Halo Wars. They planned to make an MMO and Microsoft had doubts about their management, so they pulled the plug probably because WoW was famous at the time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/5lr4md/what_happened_to_ensemble_studios/
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Untitled_Halo_MMO
How am I being obtuse when I'm the one proving you wrong here with information, some of which are from the game's wiki themselves? I never hated Six and there's very little if not a minority who hated Noble 6. There were more people who hated Noble Team than Six him/herself because they weren't used to being on an NPC Fireteam.
Halo Reach is one of my favorite and most played games so I don't know what you mean by "you're just outing yourself further by pretending there was never an obnoxiously loud crowd of "i hate change" usually by people that don't actually touch the games that often."
I was one of the few people who got the Invasion Nameplate during the release of Reach MCC on PC. It's rare to get it now since it was and still is one of the least played category in matchmaking.
I literally just told you "343i is to be fully blamed" and now you're saying I'm putting the full blame on Microsoft? That's pure ignorance right there. There is competition for Microsoft. At the time of Halo 4's production, that competition was called Treyarch who made the Black Ops series.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/la-xpm-2012-nov-12-la-et-ct-halo-4-sales-20121112-story.html
But with Microsoft owning Call of Duty now, they don't actually care about the Halo franchise. But back in the day especially during Halo 4-5, yes they did have competition.
We OG Halo fans hate 343i because they were incharge of making a good story for Halo. It did not have to be exactly like Halo 2's story but at the very least good enough to respect the Halo lore. But again, 343i completely jeopardized the Halo lore with unnecessary drama and later on made it worse in Halo 5. Then made it worse again with the Halo TV series.
The "upper management" you're referring only cares about profits. to be specific Microsoft does not care about Halo, Call of Duty nor any other games they own. They rely on their child companies to make the money for them. Hence the term "parent company" is there in the dictionary. They have the right to pull the plug just like they did to Ensemble Studios.
Hence 343i was given the right to the Halo IP by Microsoft after Bungie left, the staff of 343i are to be blamed. They wrote the bad story, they made the bad gameplay, they lied to their fanbase (Infinite's splitscreen co op), they refused to fix the MCC's matchmaking for consoles. So yes, 343i is at fault for the downfall of the Halo franchise.
Way things are going, I dont want to be relying on a companies "good will" or whim to keep services available.
If in 10yrs I want to play a casual game of Firefight in my own map, I should be able to.
So you're willing to be ignorant to the disrespect to the lore as long as it sells well, you openly admit it here, I've stated twice now Nylund didn't go off of any of the established game lore, you know, something you accuse 343 of doing. and Space marine 2 has nothing to do with this, but if you wanna use it okay then; it sold less units than any of the 343 games with a similar budget and has all the mtx store bs for cosmetics you, once again, blame 343 for having despite the fact these are clear publisher demands, and no I am not blaming saber don't even try that.
Okay but you very obviously didn't experience that? You've been openly proving to knowing nothing of fan reception to the initial releases of the bungie games and use current reception as some bad gotcha argument that only works in echo chambers
Wow, it really is amazing how you somehow got that mixed up, fans have been complaining about 4 for being exactly the opposite of a glorified sci-fi shooter, mostly because the bungie games, especially 2 were glorified sci-fi shooters
Maybe if you bothered to read the different names before the sentences you would realize; it is. it's a collection of interviews of 16 different people from the start of the blam engine up to the release of guardians, that snippet I gave early was Paul Bertone, you should know him "aS aN oG", outright explaining the Prometheans and didact stuff was their idea
Love how you outright removed my comment about how bungie absolutely hated the fact microsoft and their fans did that to them, again really just proving you have no respect for the lore as long as its popular even when the original lore creators hated it.
you give me reddit comments that have 1/4th the information and oh yeah most of the old guard were on great terms with 343s former leadership you would get a 30/100 if this were an actual history essay you are missing a lot of information, because it disproves a lot of irrational hatred
Pure ignorance like how you ignored that I said "Microsoft treats halo as if it has no competition like they do with their other software" Microsoft ignored the fact it does have competition all the actions you accuse 343 of doing majority of those decisions were from microsoft
Can you please, please for once in you're life, stop contradicting yourself, re-read your prior comments, and again you're clearly not an OG you only use that because you think it gives credence to the insane crap you spew, it doesn't, when I was saying as an actual OG that disagrees with you that was more to show just how long this "not my halo" shtick has existed years longer than 343 did
Yeah, that uppermanagement is xbox/microsoft those are the people I was explicitly referring to. Glad we agree Microsoft is at fault for the profit chasing
So you because you refuse to acknowledge how microsoft runs their developers you blame the devs for Microsoft decisions?
I love how you're just openly stating how much you don't care about the franchise and think microsoft can do whatever they want and when they're bad ideas don't work out, it's not because microsoft's idea was stupid, it's because the devs were bad for not making it work
Damn I can't believe you would call the gameplay that's been nearly the same since CE bad, because a different team added something to it. would you call duel wielding bad if 343 did it and not bungie? I know you would because you're trying to say crap like sprint and thrust are bad despite you're "favorite halo game" having them as armor abilities, also those last two arguments are 100% microsofts fault, split screen for infinite WAS being worked on they didn't lie about that and you can still preform a glitch to do campaign split screen, Infinite also had split screen available in multiplayer since its release, as for MCC 2014 you can once again thank microsoft because 2014 was just supposed to be Halo 2 anniversary with the H2A multiplayer but because halo 5 got delayed Microsoft pushed the compilation that was supposed to be after 5 before it "as an apology"
Once again, stop pinning microsofts actions on the devs
I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Nylund's books when he isn't the writer for any of the Halo games. He just write novels which are approved by the Halo fans and Microsoft.
Space Marine 2 made as much as Halo 4. Both earning $200 million in sales. However SM2 sold more copies than Halo Infinite's Campaign + Microtransactions.
Space Marine 2 - https://gamalytic.com/game/2183900
Halo Infinite - https://gamalytic.com/game/1240440
Are you saying that I have not experienced OG Halo? I literally told you earlier I have the original Xbox with Halo CE, Halo 2, an Xbox 360 with Halo 3, ODST, Halo Reach's Collectors Edition and Halo 4.
How exactly is Halo 2 a glorified shooter? The story itself was the foundation of the Elites being betrayed by the Brutes hence the starting of allegiance between Humans and the Elites. It was more than just a glorified sci fi shooter game.
Halo 4 is nothing but "Green space man shoots Covenant 2.0 and bad guy robot man". And The Act Man stated this out perfectly in his video on Halo 4. Also I don't think fans have said anything about Halo 4 not being a glorified sci fi shooter because it is a glorified sci fi shooter.
It's difficult for me to read something that's translated over ChatGPT. I did read and tried to understand some of it but what grammar even is this -
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-complete-untold-history-of-halo-an-oral-history/
"Whether you prefer vistas or ordnance, where Halo may go from here feels at once predictable and expansive; think of these stories as a patchwork roadmap from a number of people who lived it, replete with detours and roughly sketched paths, all in pursuit of answering that question."
I know full well Bungie hated Ensemble Studios and doubt their ability to follow the Halo lore. But again, it was well received just like the books. Did it affect Bungie? No. Did Bungie do anything bad to their fans when Microsoft forced fan lore into Halo? No. Instead they continued to make Halo Reach and its the second behind Halo 3 in sales in the franchise.
https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Halo
If you have the full information, perhaps you can share them with others? Because these strawman arguments of yours do not have any evidence to back your claims. That reddit discussion at the very least had a link towards two major former Bungie developers who worked on Halo 4.
I did not ignore that comment. My reply was "But with Microsoft owning Call of Duty now, they don't actually care about the Halo franchise. But back in the day especially during Halo 4-5, yes they did have competition."
You previous comment - "but you think attacking the devs will make them [microsoft the people actually making this worse] will change their minds"
My previous reply to your comment - "But again, 343i completely jeopardized the Halo lore with unnecessary drama and later on made it worse in Halo 5. Then made it worse again with the Halo TV series."
You were focused on hammering the "upper management" in Microsoft when they have no interest in the game except for sales. I simply replied to you the truth. 343i has no passion for anything related to Halo. Their only goal is to market the product and generate tons of revenues for their parent company, Microsoft. Bungie was passionate about Halo until Microsoft got greedy, hence they pulled the plug on Microsoft.
Xbox is a console. Microsoft is a corporation that owns Xbox. There is no "people" on Xbox. And I did not agree to anything you have said. I was explaining to you about parent companies and the revenue gain they expect from the companies they own.
How exactly do you think Microsoft "runs" their developers? I'm very curious. What nasty things do you think Microsoft does to the innocent 343i employees other than wanting revenue?
I do not care about a company nor a franchise where the company does not care about their fans nor the franchise.
Did you just say the combat on 343i's Halo is similar to CE? And you call yourself an OG? Lmao, that's ironic. You just called yourself out for not being an OG.
I never duel wield in any Halo games except Halo 2 because I prefer the DMR and BR. So I'm not the person you should be asking about duel wielding. But if you're going to ask if I like duel wielding in Halo 2? No I do not. But if 343i copied this mechanics that's fine with me.
When I stated about 343i's Halo having bad combat mechanics is how it turned into Call of Duty. Like I said, they had competition in the past due to Activision outselling the Halo franchise by millions in revenue. I liked Halo Reach's abilities except Armor Lock because they are balanced and limited unlike 343i's Halo. And the ability to swap in Firefight was a cool addition.
Do you have evidence stating that the splitscreen cancellation was 100% Microsoft's fault for both Infinite and MCC? Because Bonnie Ross who was the Head of 343 Industries announced splitscreen for both games.
The developers in 343i developed Halo 4 and beyond, having written the most atrocious mediocre dialogues in gaming history ("Thought you'd be taller" - Palmer) and then trying to rewrite Halo CE with Halo Infinite. Therefore, the developers are to be blamed.
Which is my point, you don't care what bungie thought about the books, you don't care the books didn't follow the lore bungie wrote in the instruction booklet for CE, you keep claiming to care but immediately flip the script when its anyone else but 343.
Infinite from day one was also on Microsofts gamepass and multiplayer is FREE and that sight can only get whatever info is public or it guesses, since 2011 microsoft hides all it's information unless they think they can brag about it and from that site it says halo 4 sold 25 million more than SM2, I don't trust this site because so far it can only share information if the game is on steam and because you used reddit I get to as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/1cybs88/gamalytic_data_how_accurate_is_it/
It's a very unknown site, you probably kept looking at different sales sites to find the one you could use to prove you're point and the reddit comment section I posted mentions their measuring methods are extremely inaccurate
343 didn't either and bungie made a sub forum called the flood forums as a joke at how toxic and hive mindy their vocal fans are
wow really conveniently ignoring chiefs story huh? the one where he delivers a bomb by himself and it blows up a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ assault carrier, the biggest ship in the franchise and hes perfectly fine, the one where Sgt. Johnson makes a quip about one of the prophets name being regret, the breaking benjamin songs in it, Chief going "boo!" to a grunt, Arbiters is a melodrama that players at the time hated and something you admit to hating as "useless drama" when it's done by a different team, and before you try and pull you're usual hypocritcal BS, Halo 2 is one I hold above all else, the levels (except gravemind) are a treat to run through, its got the longest campaign in the series followed by 5 without feeling to bloated (again except for copy pasted corridors that is gravemind)
Hey what are those others stats in that say? lets see; 4 and 5 sold nearly as many units as reach, 4 and 5 outsold halo 2 by a million, both halo wars are the worst selling games in the stat block, love how you'll just prove my points for me, thank you.
You're still ignoring the fact I for the 3rd time now, have said microsoft treated halo as they treated MS office, they'll gladly steal ideas from their competition like they did with some of google drives features while pretending they're on top and charging you extra for it.
"won't someone pwease think of the pwoor trillion dollar company and how they're aboosed by the villainous subsidiary developers they boss and could fire after any of the games but didn't"
For someone that's been defending Microsoft this entire time somehow I doubt that.
How can take anything you say as truth when you spout blatant lies like this, are you really that desperate you think you can just will xbox positions out of existence from thoughts alone
It's amazing how you keep trying to stick with this "chat gpt" thing on that article, you should probably pay attention to the full page i'm not going to spell it out for you, what you're failing to do here just summarizes why you have been wrong this entire time you go off 1% of information and state everything you say as a fact and your sentence here perfectly encapsulates that.
and I'll repeat myself again, having that doesn't make you an OG, you can buy this stuff off ebay today, I also pointed out that me having a pre-release copy of CE, something that's not cheap, would make me "more OG than you" my first game was CE i've been playing the franchise since 2005 almost nonstop
And you just called yourself for having never touched any of these games, the core gameplay has been the exact same since CE, I don't know why you think the perks in 4 drastically changed how the game was played but, it didn't, it's about as inconsequential as the jammer from halo 3, completely useless might help against someone who just started their first fps ever. You remove the extra stuff and oh wow look at that they all play like CE with more guns
Me when I forget loadouts were introduced in Reach and that stuff like the jetpack (people swear it's busted I just see a free kill that can't hide behind cover quick enough) and the drop shield, something that was actually over powered, were available everytime you respawned, and these were better than most of 4s replacements, though they were deliberately nerfed
Turns out firing over half of the developers from 343 means they had to consolidate resources and because microsoft demanded constant revenue, guess what was prioritized? funny how that works, and MCC doesn't have split screen? the only version that doesn't is PC, but that's always been the case for couch co-op games getting PC ports, but i'm sure you'll counter with "it's not microsofts fault microsoft let go 10,000 people under their gaming division"
Once again really proving you know literally nothing about the games and clearly haven't even played CE, first off even the biggest hater acknowledges Palmers line is a reference to what the marines sometimes (or all the time) say when they see the chief back in Halo CE. Secondly what the hell are you talking about infinite rewriting CE?
Im done with this, you keep trying to make the same disproven point, you keep ignoring any additions to my arguments, and you keep making the dumbest comments someone that only watched lets play of the series years ago would make, and the obnoxious double stanards you have, you keep spouting how "it's the truth" when it clearly isn't, it took 10 years before more people started to think "oh wait maybe we shouldn't keep demanding they drop the last plotline"
When will you finally realize that 343i never cared about Halo which is why the majority of the OG Halo fanbase hate them? This denial cycle of yours is just pitiful and the result is yet another slop that is Halo Infinite.
Gamepass barely makes the cut to pay off the development cost of games. I compared statistics through Steam because the majority of the playerbase is on PC. Ask Microsoft themselves and you will get the same answer. There are plenty of reasons why they decided to port their games to PC.
Comparing Halo 4 and Space Marine 2 is not even a fair comparison. Because at the time Halo 4 was competing with Black Ops 2. I brang up Space Marine 2 because Saber Interactive is a capable company that does not stray away from its prequel unlike 343i.
Let's not get ignorance involved here. 343i has punished their fanbase so many times.
1) They announced dedicated servers on MCC but it turned out to be peer to peer. Host was able to boot anyone from a public match
2) Players could block anyone in Rank Matchmaking to avoid matchmaking against them
3) The Halo MCC Championship in 2015 was cancelled due to connectivity issues
4) False advertisement for Halo 5
5) Sold Master Chief to Epic Games's Fortnite
6) Halo TV Show
Those are just six examples I listed on how much 343i hates Halo. Oh and before you say "MCC is fixed now". Those flaws I listed took years to fix.
So let me get this straight. Was he supposed to allow the bomb to stay on Cairo Station? Yes it was defused by Cortana but the scene where Chief delivers the bomb back to the Covenant was nothing short of amazing. Showing full well how one Spartan is able to make a difference in a battle.
Now lets compare that one scene with Team Osiris in Halo 5 where they're literally skiing down a mountain shooting Covenant 2.0 left to right without a scratch on them. 343i tried to make Team Osiris look badass but they failed to do so.
But that is just an example of 343i glorifying the sci fi shooter genre because there was no reason for that cutscene to happen. But Chief sending back the bomb? Most of not every OG Halo fan will agree that is the definition of badass.
Sgt Johnson's quote is legendary aside from Shipmaster's speeches to his Elites (I say speeches because any OG Halo fan would know). However Earth was under attack, did you expect Sgt Johnson to stay in orbit? The guy boosts the morale of Marines on the field since Halo CE.
Chief saying "Boo!" at a grunt has nothing to do with the discussion on Halo being a glorified sci fi shooter. It's just one of his many one liners.
No problem, always happy to prove you wrong. After all, I have already proved you wrong after you stated "Halo wars also sold heavily at a loss, fans were not kind to it in 2009 because it wasn't an fps it was an rts, ensemble was shut down by Microsoft after this as well" which is completely false.
343i stole ideas from Activision, not Microsoft. Again, Microsoft does not have a say in content other than marketing when it comes to Halo.
Provide the source and evidence to back your claims other than making childish and strawman remarks.
I have not once defended Microsoft in my statement.
I'm just calling your ignorance as it is - "Yeah, that uppermanagement is xbox/microsoft those are the people I was explicitly referring to."
because there's no such thing as Xbox upper management. Do a simple Google search and try finding the definition of Xbox upper management. If it brings you to a Microsoft website it gives me another reason to laugh at you.
Before you do a search on Phil Spencer, let me just do the research for you -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Spencer_(business_executive)
"Phil Spencer is an American business executive and the CEO of Microsoft Gaming."
That website does not tell anything about what you were trying to define. Infact I've completely lost interest in your previous post before you decided to link that website. If you really wanted to know what former Bungie developers have to say, why not listen to their podcast? Marty O'Donnell did so many inverviews some of which are with The Act Man.
You're making strawman posts because you know you're being proven wrong again and again. I'm an OG Halo player because I've played the original Bungie titles since CE. Your strawman post of "That never happened" is just nothing but plain ignorance. Also you've never stated that you know a pre-release copy of CE so I doubt you actually own a pre-release copy of CE.
343i's Halo is nothing like CE. Even The Act Man said so in his Halo 4 review. In Halo 1 you can solo through every mission with just the Battle Rifle and a Pistol. You can't do that in 343i's Halo because almost every mission requires the player to use precision weapons. So again, I just proved you're not an OG Halo fan.
13:08 Weapon and Level Design
https://youtu.be/O-x-1kS6TpQ?si=e_G2AC5DyYSl6oDb
Where are you getting information that 343i had to consolidate resources after half of the developers were fired? And where did they focus their resources towards? Also I'll let The Act Man answer your question.
https://x.com/TheActMan_YT/status/1565400260499091456
Oh and by the way, all of this happened before Microsoft fired half of the developers in 343i.
Another strawman argument of me not playing CE. Meanwhile saying Palmer is similar to Marines in CE. Exactly which quote from the Marines is as bad as "Thought you'd look taller?". Just which Marine quote in CE is similar to that indirect insult towards the savior of humankind?
343i's goal was to rewrite CE. The artstyle, dialogues, Cortana 2.0 in Infinite is to bring a new fanbase towards 343i rather than towards Bungie's Halo.
I have given so many links, wiki's and reviews to prove my point. I've yet to see what you're capable of providing. Like, why do you praise and defend 343i? You're like a cliffhanger in Halo 2 except written by 343i. The more I reply, the more curious I get because most 343i fans are straight forward and on point. You seem to give strawman arguments sure but you've never stated why you're defending 343i.
At the very least list a quote from a Marine in CE that is similar to Palmer's "Thought you'd be taller" line.
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA talk to me when you bother actually playing literally any halo game dude
There were no Battle rifles in Halo CE, they were introduced in Halo 2..
Yeah it's been pretty apparent this guy is very disingenuous the only reason I went on this for so long is because it's harder to spread misinformation when it gets contested
Another strawman argument because you actually lost the argument. Oh well. I'm going to list the amount of lies you stated just to let people know. But you're free to call me out over a single typo.
<List of lies by KairanShadow's posts>
Bungie never started development on Halo 4.
Microsoft is a publisher. 343i developed Halo 4 - Infinite. They are responsible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_Wars
"The game sold one million units worldwide through March 2009, making it the best-selling console real-time strategy game to date."
You clearly stated "there's no competition in their eyes" when the Halo series was competing against Treyarch's Black Ops series back in the day.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/la-xpm-2012-nov-12-la-et-ct-halo-4-sales-20121112-story.html
Plenty of Bungie vs 343i Halo reviews including The Act Man's review can easily prove your statement wrong. Team Osiris was a full on Power Ranger Fireteam that for some reason are more agile and powerful than Spartan 3's. Not to mention, Locke was able to almost outmatch Chief, a Spartan 2 in a fight which is not lore accurate.
Actually saying 343i's gameplay is similar to Bungie's is just cringe. Nothing more to say there. This is the proof that you are not an OG Halo fan.
Every other statement you made against mine are strawman arguments. But that is the entire list of false information you have given. If you want to call me out on a single typo, feel free. But don't act like you're an OG Halo fan when you're obviously not.
Okay where are the lies?
you removed the vice article I sent and claimed 343 didn't use what bungie had set for halo 4, despite the fact they did
you keep thinking someones opinion is a fact which is a strawman, and you keep insisting its the devs fault for publisher choices like lootboxes and mtx stores
and the very definition of a strawman; you keep repeatedly removing all of my context to make a point that doesn't make sense when you look at the original comment, repeatedtly
per you're own link with VGcharts halo wars was a failure it only made 2 million and likely costed them 5 million also that wiki is just outright wrong becuase another RTS Command and Conquer sold 3 million
you've made it pretty clear you're first halo game was the last bungie game, I don't know where exactly you got the 343 games hate automatic weapons becuase "OGs" have been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for years about how the AR shouldn't be viable and use halo 3 as a source for that, despite the fact that halo 3 and reach are the only games were auto's are useless in both campaign and multiplayer
Your Vice article is still there. I chose to ignore it because its generated by ChatGPT. I recommend listening to Podcasts from former Bungie developers instead of getting information from an AI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkn7DmM6xYY
How can I remove your context when you have none to begin with? You forced ideologies on others which is not only wrong but an evil thing to do. An example of your forced ideologies would be saying I don't play any of the Bungie Halo games when I obviously have.
I'm going to completely ignore your Command and Conquer quote because its completely irrelevant on the subject. But again, the information on why Ensemble Studios was shut down can be found here - https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/5lr4md/what_happened_to_ensemble_studios/?rdt=57901
"As they were developing Halo Wars, the majority of Ensemble's effort was spent on a project codename "Titan" (not to be confused with the Blizzard one), which would be a Halo MMORPG. When Microsoft cancelled this project in 2009, Tony Goodman had an emergency meeting with a Microsoft representative, and was told that they wanted to shut down ES."
If you're going to compare sales then at the very least compare the specific Command and Conquer title that has the same release date as Halo Wars in 2009. The only Command and Conquer title close to that release date is Red Alert 3. There has been no information or official numbers on the sales of Red Alert 3. However we do know Tiberium Wars 4 was a flop and the downfall of Command and Conquer.
Now you're saying I actually played Reach? After all that strawman argument of me not playing OG Bungie games at all? That's pure ignorance on your part. I never claimed that 343i hates automatic weapons. I only said the player needs to rely on precision weapons to counter most of 343i's enemy NPC's. I'm not the only person that have stated this, The Act Man said the same in his Halo 4 review.
The OG's have not been complaining about anything. If you were an OG, you know very well how overpowered the Halo 1 pistol is. The Legendary walkthrough for Halo 1 is always plasma pistol + pistol/assault rifle against Covenant. The assault rifle and shotgun is good against the Flood.
Halo 3 and Reach limited the amount of ammo you can carry for both BR's and DMR's. That wasn't the case for 343i's Halo. You can pack both BR's and DMR's in 343i's Halo.
Those are your lies about what I wrote, where are mine?
Yeah and this is clear projection I said that because you kept getting the most basic information on the previous games wrong and think buying special editions magically turns you into an og, you still get basic information wrong all you did was google a guide instead of; playing the game yourself, the only one you seem to be the most familiar with is reach but all you spout is dmr dmr dmr armor lock armor lock armor lock, do you even know how many shots it takes to super combine with the needler rifle on unshielded targets?
https://x.com/MartyTheElder/status/1640482730558525440 Just because it proves you wrong doesn't make it AI; top this off Marty often gets info wrong on stuff he didn't actually work on and has been corrected by his former co-workers mainly by paul russel who deleted his twitter
No I will not because "of all time" includes the 90s and that wiki was for the first C&C but fine start craft II released a year later and beat it by 4 million: https://www.polygon.com/2012/11/7/3615054/starcraft-2-heart-of-the-swarm-release-window-2013
No you just said auto's are worthless despite the fact that only applies to 3 and reach, they're a little better in reach except all the elites have whack ass shields that can tank 2 emp shots before falling
https://web.archive.org/web/20050511020437/http://halo2sucks.com/ Again with the lying dude
And where exactly did I say percisions were useless in the bungie games? any where? No? No I never said that? I know the ol' 3 tap was OP but I also played a ton of games with the pistol removed from matches and the other guns didn't take an eternity to get a kill like they would in 3
Yes the limited max reserve of 108 wouldn't change until infinite where it was increased to 216, also who picks both the dmr and br with firepower? If they wanted both the light rifle was literally both in one gun most people i've seen that even used that perk either had one of the main percision weapons and the assault rifle otherwise it was the PP or Boltshot
And the actman was just outright lying about auto's in 4 343i has consisently made them viable agaisnt things like the dmr and br at close range and that made bungo boys mad because bungie couldn't properly balance weapons and they claim the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weapon balance was intentional (it wasn't)