Why everybody says that "Halo is Dead"

[Dawido]

There is multiple videos about youtubers saying how much Halo is dead franchise, but why? Because you didn't liked the new season in Halo Infinite multiplayer or what? You may say that crowbcat made video about it, but half of this video is just gamers with anger issues destroying they setup because they couldn't find match for Halo MCC.
I think that Halo community leads too much on radical nostalgia, I seen how people says that "there is no going back to good old days", but, from what I seen all Halo games are almost the same in mechanics and gameplay, with additional changes, so it seems that these people are just scared of change, and gonna hate new Halo games just because they aren't 100% like 1-3, but does it mean that you just want the same game again and again? Idk, maybe Halo campaign community and Halo multiplayer community are two different communities, because I just play Halo for campaign for now and I don't have any problems.
What Halo Infinite multiplayer changed so much that you already say how dead franchise is? Maybe it's just Halo community making from little issue an big problem.
Like really, explain to me why "Halo is dead"? From what I seen Halo Infinite has pretty decent campaign and overall, it don't have any big problems, so maybe the problem is that Halo fandom gonna hate everything new and just stick to they safe games?

[OKMB]

Originally posted by Chicky Lumps:

Originally posted by Anbu Playboy †:

- Weapons on Infinite are a Joke.
(Wtf is the Mangler, disrupter, heatwave, shock rifle etc etc)

- Lack of Customization and Buyable content (Everything is vaulted)
The shop has a few pathetic items are a time that update very slowly. Compared to Call of
Duty, which has hundreds of skins and weapon camos you can buy if you're a new player

- It's ok that Halo Infinite is game as service now, thing is, there is no content, the Battle pass are long and incredibly grindey. They don't offer anything good, every single vaulted or event item should be purchasable or added to a battle pass. Instead, if you're a new player and you miss out of these things you will not have another opportunity to get them


- Matchmaking is a complete cluster fudge - forced 50% win rate, unbalanced and rigged games

What does "weapons are a joke" mean? Every weapon you mentioned ranges from strong to basically broken (shock rifle), except the Disruptor which is kinda bad. If you mean they're not cool, I beg to disagree. Mangler feels awesome.

A lot of the weapons in this game have a gimmick, but are friggin awful outside of specific niches.

Shock Rifle is just a gimmick Sniper Rifle with the added lovely ability to EMP cross map. It does very little damage on body shot, but instant kills on headshot. It's a little harder to use than the Sniper for killing, and one of the best anti-vehicle weapons in the game.

So why is the Sniper even here, if the Shock Rifle does what it does and more?
The Pulse Carbine is okay on paper, but its not as good as the AR, meaning it's use cases are limited and therefore it's a worse weapon. The AR absolutely dominates casual as the best weapon in the game.

Balance sucks, to put it simply.

As to the OP, assuming they're not concern trolling: They absolutely tried to chase the Call of Duty audience with this game. This never works. The fact you "think" this game plays like Halo 1-3, which are the games fans of this franchise actually want, indicate you don't know what you're talking about.

Of course, that's assuming you're not trolling. If you are, back to the drawing board.

[bradams]

Originally posted by Dewido8:

Originally posted by FishTiddies:

Because there isnt nearly enough interest in the game as there used to be. Not because people wouldnt want to play a good halo game, but no one has any hope 343 is competent enough to make a good halo game or improve this existing one up to satisfaction. There are a TON of basic things they can add to this halo (existing in previous games) that would instantly make this game better but they refuse to. Which is why I think people leaving this game is deserving

Explain why this game is "bad"?
Because devs wanted to make new weapons instead giving the same ones from previous 5 games?

If you want an overarching answer that can be described in 1 comparison, here it is:

1 year later, Desync is still so bad that using melee is actually a bad idea because it is a complete coin flip on if it will work. Melee is integral to a Halo games combat loop, yet the networking is so bad it cannot properly handle melee being used. Yet, every single week, without fail, new cosmetics are released. Never a single delay. Never a problem.

343 focuses the entirety of its efforts solely on making money, not on making a good game. Halo 4 tried to feel like CoD because CoD was making money. Halo 5 tried to feel like Titanfall because Titanfall was making money. Halo Infinite copied Fortnites cosmetic shop because Fortnites cosmetic shop makes money. Yet, when it comes to things like networking, one of the primary factors in a players enjoyment of the game, its secondary. Always on the backburner. Its that thing they work on if they have time, but its not very important. That's how they approach Halo in its entirety. Focus on doing whatever it takes to get money first, focus on things that make the product an enjoyable experience after the money has been made second.

You can only release games intended purely for profit with little to no concern for the enjoyment of the people playing the game for so long before the vast majority turn against it. Halo Infinite seems to be the nail in the coffin for quite a few people.

[Jegedillo]

It's because the game is dead compared to how it used to be. For example, Halo 3 a year after launch had a peak player count of 1.1 million. As of right now, the peak for Infinite is 270,000 with a current 7 day peak of 7000. The playerbase has most definitely had a sharp drop off ever since 343 took over. They don't really understand what makes Halo what it is and are constantly chasing the latest gaming fads.

[The Commendatore]

cuz it is. halo dieded 2 deth 4 forevar. im bean cereal

[Jagan]

Halo is dead and why?
Well let me answer by this : I paid for a co-op campaign and a full price at that....
Where is my co-op? where is my entertainment?
Plus for the multiplayer, well before its was about having fun with you friend all together in the same room with one console and one game.... And now? The story of the campaign is bad; the multiplayer is only about competitive and pay more to have less, where is the fun?.....
For me Halo is dead since Halo Reach....

[KairanShadow]

Originally posted by Jegedillo:

It's because the game is dead compared to how it used to be. For example, Halo 3 a year after launch had a peak player count of 1.1 million. As of right now, the peak for Infinite is 270,000 with a current 7 day peak of 7000. The playerbase has most definitely had a sharp drop off ever since 343 took over. They don't really understand what makes Halo what it is and are constantly chasing the latest gaming fads.

Halo 3 had one other competitor and it peaked at maybe 40k a year later, which is superb for a console exclusive

Reach had less after and 4 and 5 averaged the same as reach

now it's got battle royal games to compete with ontop of CoD and people seems to blame the dev team for other games also being good?

[F38]

Originally posted by Cammy Potter:

Originally posted by Shadow426:

Halo 3 had one other competitor and it peaked at maybe 40k a year later, which is superb for a console exclusive

Reach had less after and 4 and 5 averaged the same as reach

now it's got battle royal games to compete with ontop of CoD and people seems to blame the dev team for other games also being good?

That's because the Developer still and/or can't fix major issues, and a lot of players (on PC) can't even launch this awful game to begin with lmao.

Keep's saying the game is awful, but it lives rent free in your head lmao. Game is good, has issues but that does not mean is awful or trash, just your opinion.

[private ryan]

You're too young to understand.

[KairanShadow]

Originally posted by Cammy Potter:

Originally posted by Shadow426:

Halo 3 had one other competitor and it peaked at maybe 40k a year later, which is superb for a console exclusive

Reach had less after and 4 and 5 averaged the same as reach

now it's got battle royal games to compete with ontop of CoD and people seems to blame the dev team for other games also being good?

That's because the Developer still and/or can't fix major issues, and a lot of players (on PC) can't even launch this awful game to begin with lmao.

Yeah an engine with 5 dev teams working on it with no translation from the previous will do that.

On top of that the new team started last month you're delusional if you think they can figure everything out, add new content, and work on the massive forge mode at the same time in 1 month, ♥♥♥♥ learning the engine should take 5 months minimum no matter what engine

Infinite's problems are the results of Microsoft demanding 18 month contracts 343 never decided that and all the old heads are gone but you're acting like it's the same people

[F38]

Originally posted by Cammy Potter:

Originally posted by F38:

Keep's saying the game is awful, but it lives rent free in your head lmao. Game is good, has issues but that does not mean is awful or trash, just your opinion.

Halo doesn't live Rent Free, I play MCC daily just about... Infinite is just some garbage memory in my head and existence. Every time I launch MCC I have to think about that disgraceful game and it's awful developer. Been playing Halo since Halo 1 PC, so yeah I am thinking about it quite often. Yucky.

You just accepted that halo infinite lives in your head even when playing a different game, Interested enough to still come to this forums of your said "trash" game.

[F38]

Originally posted by Cammy Potter:

Originally posted by F38:

You just accepted that halo infinite lives in your head even when playing a different game, Interested enough to still come to this forums of your said "trash" game.

Yep I did, I think about Halo a lot since it's the main series I've played for years and years. I'm glad you have good speculation I guess?

Then why bother coming here, just to say lots of things about the game/Dev as if no other game/dev did the same...

[Dr. Professor Commander]

Originally posted by Dewido8:

I don't understand why people hate Halo 4,5,infinite , especially that 4 didn't made any big changes as I know.
It's seems that casual gamers are enjoying Halo games more than fandom itself

Noticeably worse storytelling in comparison to the Bungie games. 343's games all had me saying things like "Well that was underwhelming", "That was kind of dumb", "Why was that necessary to advance the plot?", or "That felt forced"

To put it simply 343's Halos lack the same level of depth and natural flow than Bungie's Halos. There's a definite upgrade to gameplay, but a downgrade to story quality. Whoever decided the direction of the series had some really lame ideas. I'd fire and replace them without a second thought.

I don't hate 343's games, they're fun. I'm just disappointed by them because I have high standards for storytelling, and have even found some games a lot of people say have great storytelling to still be underwhelming and disappointing, and have called some objectively great games "trash" before under that context though.

[Wybrem]

Because the franchise IS dead, it died with Bungie. Honestly MS should move on and create new ip. Looking at the sales data for Infinite it's pathetic, even the free2play standalone game didn't appeal to the masses.

[Cosmic Corpse]

Originally posted by Capps122:

Originally posted by Dewido8:

Explain why this game is "bad"?
Because devs wanted to make new weapons instead giving the same ones from previous 5 games?

you dont sound like you actually want an answer

There is no answer besides ppl like to be negative. They feel like part of the group when they dog pile a game that they never had any intention of playing to begin with. Instead of moving on they actively try to tank the game because well, misery loves company.

[KairanShadow]

Originally posted by Nable Dable:

Originally posted by Dewido8:

There is multiple videos about youtubers saying how much Halo is dead franchise, but why? Because you didn't liked the new season in Halo Infinite multiplayer or what? You may say that crowbcat made video about it, but half of this video is just gamers with anger issues destroying they setup because they couldn't find match for Halo MCC.
I think that Halo community leads too much on radical nostalgia, I seen how people says that "there is no going back to good old days", but, from what I seen all Halo games are almost the same in mechanics and gameplay, with additional changes, so it seems that these people are just scared of change, and gonna hate new Halo games just because they aren't 100% like 1-3, but does it mean that you just want the same game again and again? Idk, maybe Halo campaign community and Halo multiplayer community are two different communities, because I just play Halo for campaign for now and I don't have any problems.
What Halo Infinite multiplayer changed so much that you already say how dead franchise is? Maybe it's just Halo community making from little issue an big problem.
Like really, explain to me why "Halo is dead"? From what I seen Halo Infinite has pretty decent campaign and overall, it don't have any big problems, so maybe the problem is that Halo fandom gonna hate everything new and just stick to they safe games?

The reality of the situation is that Microsoft is extremely disappointed in 343. Us "Haters" didn't bring these games down, they collapsed because of bad design and planning. I do not stick to "safe games" as you put it, I'm not sure if you're like 15 or younger, or you play fortnite a lot and that's how you know what Halo is, but objectively, within fact, Halo 4 - Halo Infinite is a dark age and 343 are in trouble. It's like a drug addict trying to steal and survive for so long, but eventually they get to the end of their rope, they cannot keep costing Microsoft so much money, especially when it came to Halo Infinite. They made a whole new engine that I was actually excited for, only to use contract companies and workers to build it up, then when they had issues they couldn't get the people who made the engine to help bug-fix and resolve issues.

It comes down to 343 leadership mishandling resources, skilled workers, and taking Halo on the wrong path for over around a decade. If you don't partially realize this, or see any truth in what I've typed here, you are lost, you are truly lost.

Lol ultimate beta baby rager blaming 343 for the microsoft forced 18 month contracts, for microsoft forced microtransactions (microsoft forced bungie to make map packs copying call of duty so I guess halo 3 is a call of duty clone to you) and putting the blame away from yourselves for demanding they change the story in 4 and pretending you didn't actually won't that while in this word vomit of paint by numbers whining, lies, and projections, go on about hating 4s story.