Don't care if its a hot take

[Dibbadong]

This games aim assist is so bad, you can't even queue with anyone playing with KB/M lmao

[a cozy bunny]

Originally posted by Booty Bongo:

I can't comprehend how someone else is capable of making such bold and accurate statements based on 20 years of experience, and logic alone, so therefor nobody must be able to.

Go look at my stats yet again. I was diamond 4 when I told you to look last time, now I'm 1 game away from diamond 6 with no slow in site. My overall accuracy has gone up by rough 0.4%, because I'm averaging 60% accuracy's now instead of 45-50%. My headshot accuracy has gone up by roughly the same amount despite already being at rough 70%, because I'm consistently getting 90-100% headshot rates with my BR, instead of 65-70% because far more of my shots are consistently registering now. My KD has gone up, Win rate has gone up, average damage has gone way up. I'm now averaging around 5k damage in slayer and 8-12k damage in objectives instead of 2k in slayer and like 4k in objectives. So far everything is supporting my claims, and disproving yours. Can't say I'm suddenly getting drastically better as I've already accrued 2 decades of experience, and you can see my match history, up until a few days ago, I hadn't played in like a month and a half. I've consistently only been playing for a few days to a week, then quitting for a month or more due to the frustration of desync holding me back. This is just like in MCC when H3 was released. EVERYONE's shots weren't registering well, but as soon as it was fixed, tons of people played worse because they couldn't survive 8-12 shots anymore, plus their accuracy wasn't very good to begin with, so now the good people like myself just destroy everyone. Why else do you think I had an 80% win rate, with almost a 2.0 KD after around 5k matches played...

I'm not drawing a graph for you. I already told you to look through my match history. Went from 80% of my games getting desync which would cause me to get roughly 0.3 - 0.8 KDs, to now it only happens maybe 20-30% of the time, and most of those times I'm still getting around a 1.0 KD. Based on my 300 ranked matches, and 400 social matches, you'd be able to make that graph on your own.

For further predictions, I'll be a baseline 1,500 onyx rank within 2 days from now, possibly sooner, and 1,600 - 1,700 within a week from now. Will probably reach 2k in 2-3 weeks; possibly sooner if I decide to play more than 5-10 matches a day.

[a cozy bunny]

Originally posted by Fluinol:

Originally posted by 76561198052600436:

Literally only a small handful of onyx players like myself can achieve 60%+ accuracy. Literally less than 1% of the population. Until you get into diamond ranks, you don't even consistantly see people hitting 50% accuracy. Even Lucid only has an overall accuracy in ranked of 53%. He's not the #1 player because of his accuracy. He's the top player because his overall skill at the game. He's got amazing movement, foresight into predicting his enemies movements / actions, and just overall great game sense and teamwork. I stated yesterday that I ran the numbers for the top 100 controller players and the top 100 MnK players. There was like 4 or 5 total people out of the top 200 overall that had achieved that level of accuracy. Everyone else was around 50-55% so your argument is not only about only a select few people on the one extreme end of the spectrum, but they're complete outliers and not the norm. Also, aim assist in Halo, and especially in Infinite barely tracks at all. If you were any good at all on a controller, you would know that it takes tons of practices, just to get to an accuracy of 50%, let alone 55-60%, because if it didn't, everyone would be at that level just for being on a controller, but instead over 90% of the community on controllers can achieve 20-45% with around 80% of those people only getting 20-35%.




As I just explained in the other portion of this message, controller players already are missing 1 or 2 shots, even in close quarters. Even myself with an average accuracy of around 60% and even sometimes 70%+ in my really good matches, still miss by those numbers, 30-40% of my shots; and NO you don't actually want people's moment to slow down when strafing side to side like it used to, as in H3 I had an accuracy of 80% or higher. I was literally almost always 4 shotting people at close to medium range, with the occasional 5 shot. The only time it took more than that, was at long range, even when the crosshairs were still red, because you had to lead your shots further ahead of someone. If we were to do any tweaking to an input device at all, the one and ONLY thing that would be reasonable would be to give MnK player's bullets some slight magnetism, so if you miss by a couple inches or so, you instead hit. Any other kinds of buffs or nerfs would tip the scales way too far by either making the game completely unplayable for 90% of the community that uses a controller, by taking aim assist away, or nerfing it again, despite the fact it was already nerfed by 80% of this game, or by buffing MnK too hard, and instead of seeing relatively close accuracy numbers like we do now, we would instead see MnK players with way too high of accuracy, thus combined with the already precise aiming of a mouse, would cause MnK players to have accuracies of controller pros or higher, despite being brand new to the game, and the already good MnK players would be up at 80%, because even small buffs can have huge impacts, as you MnK players like to claim.

Take a mouse, play crossplay and tell me you dont lose 90% of the 1v1 battles when you have an stable rank. Then tell me about controllers missing, aim assist is lower than ever, etc. etc after that..

1v1 fair fight, no cleaning, no nade damage, nothing. Do it and please show it to me.

I mean, I was already hitting 60-62% accuracy's on MnK the other day when I tried MnK for the first time ever on Infinite. Literally 1st game ever was like 62.3% accuracy. What do you think it's going to be when I play 100 to 200 matches? If someone like myself can pull off 60%+ right off the bat with no practice, but took several years to get that good on a controller, it's only fair to say that people who are performing poorly on MnK are just not good on MnK, or perhaps just in general aren't good, and never will be. It's ok, because around 90% of the population falls into that category, even for controller players. Most controller players have only 20-45% accuracy. hell I've seen a few people with less than 10% accuracy; but yeah, aim assist so strong, it's like aim bot, and KBM players can't compete.

Lastly, I'm not jumping straight into high diamond / onyx matches on KBM with no experience. The closest you're going to get from me is either if people actually start playing in the solo/duo KBM playlist again, or I go into a custom game against some spartan difficulty bots, and before you REE about it being bots, spartan difficulty bots are roughly the same skill level as diamond players in terms of both accuracy, and strafing capability. I'll go play like 5 matches of that right now and then post another message. If nobody else has commented since then, I'll just edit this one.

[HappyPillz]

This is the second go I've had at this game and the same thing is happening again. I'm a KBnM user. First three-four matches I'm doing ok. I'm no John Halo, but I'm close to the top of the scoreboard.

After a that it's like my bullets just get sent to another dimension, or as if they're doing a U turn and flying straight in my face. Me and an opponent both have assault rifles. I start to shoot first, my crosshair is on the money, we are both spraying. I die in two seconds and have done half his shield's worth of damage. Something just feels so off about the game.

[a cozy bunny]

Just finished those 5 matches. Disclaimer in advance, I did 4v4 custom games with 3 spartan bots on my team, and 4 spartan bots on the other team. This difficulty of bots are far beyond the matchmaking bot training playlist. Those bots are on Marine, which is the 2nd lowest difficulty out of 4. Spartan is the highest difficulty, and they're roughly just as good as diamond skilled players. They were averaging around 54-58% accuracy, with a couple of them getting 60%+ a few times, and a few times a couple of them got 50-53%. I turned off all power weapons, all grenades (including starting grenades) and turned off equipment, so it was purely BRs the entire time for all of the bots, and myself. It was on the ranked version of Live Fire for all 5 matches, and it was the ranked version of slayer for all 5 matches, with the exception of all the things I turned off, which I already mentioned.

Without further ado, here are my stats on KBM, 4,000 DPI, and an in-game sensitivity of 0.8

1st Match stats:

Won: 50-32

Kills: 23
Deaths: 5
Assists:3
KDA: 19

Grenade Kills: 0
Headshot Kills: 20
Melee Kills: 3
Power weapon kills: 0

Shots Hit: 208
Shots fired: 419
Accuracy: 49.64%

Damage Dealt: 4,382
Damage Taken: 3,132


2nd Match stats:

Won: 50-36

Kills: 26
Deaths: 7
Assists: 3
KDA: 20

Grenade Kills: 0
Headshot Kills: 22
Melee Kills: 2
Power weapon kills: 0

Shots Hit: 255
Shots fired: 456
Accuracy: 55.92%

Damage Dealt: 5,047
Damage Taken: 3,345


3rd Match stats:

Won: 50-36

Kills: 25
Deaths: 7
Assists: 2
KDA: 18.7

Grenade Kills: 0
Headshot Kills: 24
Melee Kills: 1
Power weapon kills: 0

Shots Hit: 314
Shots fired: 506
Accuracy: 62.05%

Damage Dealt: 5,300
Damage Taken: 3,906


4th Match stats:

Won: 50-34

Kills: 24
Deaths: 7
Assists: 4
KDA: 18.3

Grenade Kills: 0
Headshot Kills: 23
Melee Kills: 1
Power weapon kills: 0

Shots Hit: 285
Shots fired: 461
Accuracy: 61.82%

Damage Dealt: 5,081
Damage Taken: 3786


5th Match stats:

Won: 50-39

Kills: 26
Deaths: 9
Assists: 1
KDA: 17.3

Grenade Kills: 0
Headshot Kills: 23
Melee Kills: 3
Power weapon kills: 0

Shots Hit: 267
Shots fired: 485
Accuracy: 55.05%

Damage Dealt: 5,201
Damage Taken: 4,374


Total Stats: Min / Max / Average Total (If Applicaple)
Won: 50-32 / 50-39 / 50-35.4

Kills: 23/ 26 / 24.8 / 123
Deaths: 5 / 9 / 7 / 35
Assists: 1 / 4 / 2.6 / 13
KDA: 17.3 / 20 / 18.66

Grenade Kills: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
Headshot Kills: 20 / 24 / 22.4 / 112
Melee Kills: 1 / 3 / 2 / 10
Power weapon kills: 0 / 0 / 0 / 0
Headshot % For Just The BR: 99.115%
Headshot % Compared To All Kills: 91.0569%

Shots Hit: 208/ 314 / 265.8 / 1,329
Shots fired: 419 / 506 / 465.4 / 2,327
Accuracy: 49.64% / 62.05% / 56.896%

Damage Dealt: 4,482 / 5,300 / 5,002.2 / 25,011
Damage Taken: 3,132 / 4,374 / 3,708.6 / 18,543
Average Damage Ratio: 1.3488

Synopsis: That first match was a bit of an outlier, as I wasn't warmed up at all, but I don't really care as I was still getting basically 50% to 62% accuracy against the equivalency of diamond skilled players, with my average being 56.895%, which is roughly 0.3% HIGHER than the average top 100 controller player, despite the fact I have virtually no experience on KBM for Halo infinite. I will note roughly 15-30 feet felt like the sweet spot for me, for having good aim on KBM. At close range I felt my sensitivity was too slow, and at long range, specifically anything around 50+ feet, I struggled to have fine control over my aim, causing me to have to back down from long range fights, but I can chalk both of these up to an extreme lack of experience.

Conclusion: KBM players are NOT at a disadvantage at all. If anything, the skill floor seems to be a lot lower on KBM, as it took me years to get this good and consistent on a controller, but I was able to be this good instantly on KBM. I also feel like although the controller has a high skill ceiling, the KBM has a higher one, thus effectively making it a beginners choice, and if you put in enough time with it, you'll be better than any controller player, because controller players can only get so good because they're limited on their input device, and not just hand-eye coordination and some practice.

[a cozy bunny]

Originally posted by Booty Bongo:

Nice anecdote. I’ll reiterate: none of us have technical or backend assess/knowledge of the game. Therefore you cannot definitely delineate that desync is your sole factor prohibiting your “onyx” rank.

Since you are so good at statistics, you won’t have issues drawing causal relationship at least huh?

Why stop at giving me some anecdote about what pros have said to you. You would know that doesn’t mean anything since you need a representable data set for your comparison to mean anything. Without running a test, how do you know your desync is an outlier vs natural variation? Can you tell me with 95% confidence your desync is disproportionately worse?

Look. You don’t work for 343i and don’t have access to player data and their desync instances. You don’t have representable data to do anything. I wish your states were credible but, your personal anecdotes and past history won’t suffice unless it’s transformed to any usable data.

Demonstrate your statistical proficiency: What test did you even run for your accuracy comparison?

So bad my mmr is putting me against the rank #5 guy in the solo/duo playlist, on top of having the rank #66 on my team, and like 3 other onyx players at a 1,512, a 1,641, and a 1,787 rating in the match while I was diamond 5, and the 2, 2k+ players are literal pros, but yeah, I don't deserve 2k+ LMAO Pretty sure you just don't understand how SKILL based matchmaking works. LMAOOOOOOO!!!

https://halotracker.com/halo-infinite/match/f4568257-0f64-498f-91f3-8b8c566acdc4

Edit: Forgot to mention almost all of my matches since then have been filled with 50% or more onyx players, mostly around 1,700 - 1,800, AND I'm diamond 6 now, will probably be onyx in another couple hours.

[Pseudo]

Originally posted by nwad:

I want you guys to take a look at a match recording of mine from today. This is me in plat 3 with my deathadder mouse, going up against controller players in ranked crossplay, 20 minutes after waking up with only half a cup of coffee in my system. Sorry for the lack of sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jSeWC2byKw

This is not the least bit impressive at all if that was what you were going for

[a cozy bunny]

Originally posted by Booty Bongo:

Originally posted by a cozy bunny:

I didn’t say this and your claims aren’t accurate nor logical, at all. It is obvious you do not have any understanding of statistics beyond taking averages and comparing those numbers. Your claim of “fluid iq of 150” is suspect as you simply side step such trivial question of what test you ran for the aim assist.

I understand that you want your 20 years of halo to have meant something. In the end, things you say are just your opinions and speculations just like anyone else is doing. How is it so hard for you to believe your claims are strictly incredulous without you showing your work beyond “look at my stats”. You said you have an iq of 150. Please act like you do (or at least sound smart)?

Thanks for being a huge laughing stock and providing some entertainment while I was at work. Please carry on.

Sounds like you're mad cuz bad. It's ok, you don't have to project your insecurities on me. Also, I'm 1,476 rating now. Only like 2 wins from onyx. Had some bad luck with teammates and desync, but I've won 8 out of my 11 past matches. Also, the past 20 years of me playing something HAS meant a lot. I'm the one playing with, and befriending pros all the time, on top of going to tournaments; meanwhile you slave away in a factory, or a fast food chain.

Also, none of what I've said is speculation, and again, just because YOU can't comprehend something, doesn't mean others can't, and yes, my stats, and match history are proof enough. I was the top player in that match with pros that I mentioned, but somehow when I play against diamonds, I just somehow suddenly can't compete? Nah, has nothing to do with desync, nor the fact that the vast majority don't get it as bad as I do. But again, just because you don't experience it, and you can't comprehend it, doesn't make it any less true.

Lastly, don't tell me how to act. The fact you believe in stereotypes about intelligent people, and that we supposedly only act one certain way, just shows us all how dumb you really are. Everyone is different, and I will act however I please.

[a cozy bunny]

Originally posted by Trilby:

Originally posted by nwad:

I want you guys to take a look at a match recording of mine from today. This is me in plat 3 with my deathadder mouse, going up against controller players in ranked crossplay, 20 minutes after waking up with only half a cup of coffee in my system. Sorry for the lack of sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jSeWC2byKw

This is not the least bit impressive at all if that was what you were going for

He shat on people in mid plat (the vast majority of players are plat and lower) while playing on KBM. This is just further proof that KBM isn't at a disadvantage. If it was, he wouldn't have gotten 25 kills, and did the overall best in the match against people his own rank.

[Pseudo]

Originally posted by 76561198052600436:

Originally posted by Trilby:

This is not the least bit impressive at all if that was what you were going for

He shat on people in mid plat (the vast majority of players are plat and lower) while playing on KBM. This is just further proof that KBM isn't at a disadvantage. If it was, he wouldn't have gotten 25 kills, and did the overall best in the match against people his own rank.

Yeah, I am able to do that and this match of his is a severe outlier, and with how reactive the sbmm is the system threw him a bone

[Pseudo]

Originally posted by Trilby:

Originally posted by 76561198052600436:

He shat on people in mid plat (the vast majority of players are plat and lower) while playing on KBM. This is just further proof that KBM isn't at a disadvantage. If it was, he wouldn't have gotten 25 kills, and did the overall best in the match against people his own rank.

Yeah, I am able to do that and this match of his is a severe outlier, and with how reactive the sbmm is the system threw him a bone

Originally posted by a cozy bunny:

Originally posted by Trilby:

This is not the least bit impressive at all if that was what you were going for

He shat on people in mid plat (the vast majority of players are plat and lower) while playing on KBM. This is just further proof that KBM isn't at a disadvantage. If it was, he wouldn't have gotten 25 kills, and did the overall best in the match against people his own rank.

If a bronze player can match with an onyx I wouldn't be so sure about his opponents ranks, especially with how easy it is to manipulate the ranking system

[a cozy bunny]

Originally posted by Trilby:

Originally posted by 76561198052600436:

He shat on people in mid plat (the vast majority of players are plat and lower) while playing on KBM. This is just further proof that KBM isn't at a disadvantage. If it was, he wouldn't have gotten 25 kills, and did the overall best in the match against people his own rank.

Yeah, I am able to do that and this match of his is a severe outlier, and with how reactive the sbmm is the system threw him a bone

You don't have to explain the SBMM to me. I got a match with pros on both teams earlier today. The one on the other team is ranked #5, and was #2 in the playlist. Meanwhile, I was diamond 5 at the time. I've actually had several matches today with top 100 players, despite even now I'm only diamond 6. Also, it's literally not an outlier. Before I jumped into solo/duo controller, I used KBM for the first time and was averaging almost 57% accuracy -_-" The skill floor on KBM is super low, and far easier to pick up and be good with it than a controller.

[a cozy bunny]

Originally posted by Trilby:

Originally posted by Trilby:

Yeah, I am able to do that and this match of his is a severe outlier, and with how reactive the sbmm is the system threw him a bone

Originally posted by a cozy bunny:

He shat on people in mid plat (the vast majority of players are plat and lower) while playing on KBM. This is just further proof that KBM isn't at a disadvantage. If it was, he wouldn't have gotten 25 kills, and did the overall best in the match against people his own rank.

If a bronze player can match with an onyx I wouldn't be so sure about his opponents ranks, especially with how easy it is to manipulate the ranking system

It's based on how well you perform against the people it puts you against. Also, it's damn near impossible to get bronze. You have to purposely derank in multiple playlists before finishing the 10 placement matches, while on a fresh account, and the moment you start winning with extreme ease, it starts rapidly ranking you up. Also, once you have your rank, you can't just purposely play bad a few times and then expect to play against scrubs. There will always be a baseline that it wont match you up below.

[Dibbadong]

Originally posted by HappyPillz:

This is the second go I've had at this game and the same thing is happening again. I'm a KBnM user. First three-four matches I'm doing ok. I'm no John Halo, but I'm close to the top of the scoreboard.

After a that it's like my bullets just get sent to another dimension, or as if they're doing a U turn and flying straight in my face. Me and an opponent both have assault rifles. I start to shoot first, my crosshair is on the money, we are both spraying. I die in two seconds and have done half his shield's worth of damage. Something just feels so off about the game.

Hate to tell you but you're just bad and you should anticipate another player using a controller and learn to just quit after that.
But in all honesty nah, if i mag dump into a dude first and I somehow still lose that trade-off that simply is not a skill issue, that is the game just doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ work lmao

[Fluinol]

Originally posted by 76561198052600436:

Originally posted by Fluinol:

Take a mouse, play crossplay and tell me you dont lose 90% of the 1v1 battles when you have an stable rank. Then tell me about controllers missing, aim assist is lower than ever, etc. etc after that..

1v1 fair fight, no cleaning, no nade damage, nothing. Do it and please show it to me.

I mean, I was already hitting 60-62% accuracy's on MnK the other day when I tried MnK for the first time ever on Infinite. Literally 1st game ever was like 62.3% accuracy. What do you think it's going to be when I play 100 to 200 matches? If someone like myself can pull off 60%+ right off the bat with no practice, but took several years to get that good on a controller, it's only fair to say that people who are performing poorly on MnK are just not good on MnK, or perhaps just in general aren't good, and never will be. It's ok, because around 90% of the population falls into that category, even for controller players. Most controller players have only 20-45% accuracy. hell I've seen a few people with less than 10% accuracy; but yeah, aim assist so strong, it's like aim bot, and KBM players can't compete.

Lastly, I'm not jumping straight into high diamond / onyx matches on KBM with no experience. The closest you're going to get from me is either if people actually start playing in the solo/duo KBM playlist again, or I go into a custom game against some spartan difficulty bots, and before you REE about it being bots, spartan difficulty bots are roughly the same skill level as diamond players in terms of both accuracy, and strafing capability. I'll go play like 5 matches of that right now and then post another message. If nobody else has commented since then, I'll just edit this one.

did you record that great performance winning 90% of your 1v1 vs controllers or I just have to trust you?

[a cozy bunny]

Originally posted by Fluinol:

Originally posted by 76561198052600436:

I mean, I was already hitting 60-62% accuracy's on MnK the other day when I tried MnK for the first time ever on Infinite. Literally 1st game ever was like 62.3% accuracy. What do you think it's going to be when I play 100 to 200 matches? If someone like myself can pull off 60%+ right off the bat with no practice, but took several years to get that good on a controller, it's only fair to say that people who are performing poorly on MnK are just not good on MnK, or perhaps just in general aren't good, and never will be. It's ok, because around 90% of the population falls into that category, even for controller players. Most controller players have only 20-45% accuracy. hell I've seen a few people with less than 10% accuracy; but yeah, aim assist so strong, it's like aim bot, and KBM players can't compete.

Lastly, I'm not jumping straight into high diamond / onyx matches on KBM with no experience. The closest you're going to get from me is either if people actually start playing in the solo/duo KBM playlist again, or I go into a custom game against some spartan difficulty bots, and before you REE about it being bots, spartan difficulty bots are roughly the same skill level as diamond players in terms of both accuracy, and strafing capability. I'll go play like 5 matches of that right now and then post another message. If nobody else has commented since then, I'll just edit this one.

did you record that great performance winning 90% of your 1v1 vs controllers or I just have to trust you?

You can see my matches on halotracker.com Just won 5 straight in crossplay, carrying 4 out of the 5 matches...