More Female and Buff Representation In Infinite, Do you agree?

[CrixBunny]

Currently we have feminine voices but the body types go from dude to slightly less buff dude to skinny dude. It was done right in halo reach to halo 5, but my girlfriend and my family and I agree that we need more cake in this game and not just rump roasts like we have currently. We need to represent GigaBuff and Cake body types.

Does anyone else agree with this?

Edit: And or chest, but cake makes the most sense to be lore friendly.
Edit2: Thank you for the spell check!
Edit3: I think everyone here agrees we need more body types, In the comments i have seen people want
At the very least add more gendered body types. Currently we only have male armour on varying amounts of waist.

Im just saying what most people are thinking but wont say.
The MCC has grunt backpacks, Infinite deserves cake. Halo 5 did it great, why downgrade.
I would pay for the cake DLC, paywalls mean nothing to the greatness that past spartan design once was!

[Red Phantom]

Ursprungligen skrivet av latinaparfait:

i don't know whats more annoying flat earthers or people who constantly gotta bring up that flat earthers are stupid.

Literally the first time I've brought it up here so cool story

[akitoscorpio]

Question, you want to see more female body types in a game where were all playing what amounts to bio modifed meat sacks tank playing.

*how the ♥♥♥♥ can you tell gender at all in that armor outside of the voice option?*

[Red Phantom]

Ursprungligen skrivet av akitoscorpio:

Question, you want to see more female body types in a game where were all playing what amounts to bio modifed meat sacks tank playing.

*how the ♥♥♥♥ can you tell gender at all in that armor outside of the voice option?*

You put a man and a woman on steroids and you're still going to be able to tell the difference, because they're physiologically different to begin with and have fundamentally different proportions and anatomy to start from. You put a person in armor that fits them correctly and it isn't going to change their underlying skeletal structure and body proportions.

The previous three games seemed to be able to provide a distinction just fine without being tasteless or descriminatory.

[akitoscorpio]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Red Phantom:

Ursprungligen skrivet av akitoscorpio:

Question, you want to see more female body types in a game where were all playing what amounts to bio modifed meat sacks tank playing.

*how the ♥♥♥♥ can you tell gender at all in that armor outside of the voice option?*

You put a man and a woman on steroids and you're still going to be able to tell the difference, because they're physiologically different to begin with and have fundamentally different proportions and anatomy to start from. You put a person in armor that fits them correctly and it isn't going to change their underlying skeletal structure and body proportions.

The previous three games seemed to be able to provide a distinction just fine without being tasteless or descriminatory.

I mean, that's not changing the armor plates on the suit though. I've messed with the body type slider in the game and it didn't exactly make the chest plate look any different.

Is that what there asking for here, boob armor?

[Red Phantom]

Ursprungligen skrivet av akitoscorpio:

I mean, that's not changing the armor plates on the suit though. I've messed with the body type slider in the game and it didn't exactly make the chest plate look any different.

Is that what there asking for here, boob armor?

The fact that the armor doesn't change at all means that the underlying body is literally the same in terms of proportions. i.e. the width of the shoulders and hips, height, length of torso, hip to waist ratio etc. In other words, all of the ways that an anthropologist or doctor can look a a skeleton that is hundreds of years old and tell whether or not it's male or female. So for all intents and purposes, it's the same exact skeleton with different amounts of tissue mass.

Again, the previous three games were able to take these things into account and make visibly different male and female body types without having boob armor or anything like that. You are aware that there are more physiological differences between men and women than boobs, right?

[Kaptain Krazy]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Red Phantom:

Ursprungligen skrivet av akitoscorpio:

I mean, that's not changing the armor plates on the suit though. I've messed with the body type slider in the game and it didn't exactly make the chest plate look any different.

Is that what there asking for here, boob armor?

The fact that the armor doesn't change at all means that the underlying body is literally the same in terms of proportions. i.e. the width of the shoulders and hips, height, length of torso, hip to waist ratio etc. In other words, all of the ways that an anthropologist or doctor can look a a skeleton that is hundreds of years old and tell whether or not it's male or female. So for all intents and purposes, it's the same exact skeleton with different amounts of tissue mass.

Again, the previous three games were able to take these things into account and make visibly different male and female body types without having boob armor or anything like that. You are aware that there are more physiological differences between men and women than boobs, right?

Thank you. This is exactly a point I'd made earlier about the anatomy between men and women. Preach it!

[Red Phantom]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kaptain Krazy:

Thank you. This is exactly a point I'd made earlier about the anatomy between men and women. Preach it!

It's such a plain and obvious fact of every day life that I don't know if people just overlook it because of how mundane it is, or 'conveniently' forget it as if it doesn't exist. It's one of those things where only on the internet where everything is based on pure rhetorical abstraction can discussions like this even be a point of controversy.

[Sola Di Ryuvia]

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I just wish there were more body type options in general. Right now it's just three masculine body types that don't vary much. What happened to the feminine body types that we saw in prior halo games? If you want inclusive representation, then be inclusive not exclusive of body types.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Red Phantom:

Ursprungligen skrivet av akitoscorpio:

I mean, that's not changing the armor plates on the suit though. I've messed with the body type slider in the game and it didn't exactly make the chest plate look any different.

Is that what there asking for here, boob armor?

The fact that the armor doesn't change at all means that the underlying body is literally the same in terms of proportions. i.e. the width of the shoulders and hips, height, length of torso, hip to waist ratio etc. In other words, all of the ways that an anthropologist or doctor can look a a skeleton that is hundreds of years old and tell whether or not it's male or female. So for all intents and purposes, it's the same exact skeleton with different amounts of tissue mass.

Again, the previous three games were able to take these things into account and make visibly different male and female body types without having boob armor or anything like that. You are aware that there are more physiological differences between men and women than boobs, right?

These 2 things here all the way. Females just don't exist in Halo Infinite past voices for Spartans.
And in response to the guy talking about steroids. S4s are the least modified of all Spartans so they would have the most obvious differences along with a peak conditioned female looks different from peak conditioned male by a long shot. It isn't steroids they are on but simply cybernetics and a slight bioweave throughout some muscles and skin. Halo 4 and 5 portrayed this pretty well for the 4s (your MP character is a S4 have fun with that). Even S3s had very little changes compared to S2s. S2s even are recognizable between male and female and they were the most changed.

[Providence 777]

Ursprungligen skrivet av akitoscorpio:

Question, you want to see more female body types in a game where were all playing what amounts to bio modifed meat sacks tank playing.

*how the ♥♥♥♥ can you tell gender at all in that armor outside of the voice option?*

play Halo Reach, 4, or 5, then compare that to the lack luster options for Infinite.

Otherwise, stop talking.

[Kaptain Krazy]

As I've mentioned previously in this very thread. Halo Infinite's MP Spartans are S4s. Therefore, there should be clear distinction between male and female Spartans. A good example of this is Locke and Palmer. Or Locke and Tanaka. Now Locke and Vale might be pushing it. But the previous two examples are a clear distinction of what Male and Female Spartan-IVs should look like. Even with the new Gen3 Mjolnir armor used in Halo Infinite.

These body types we have now are just lazy.

[Magoo]

I agree we need a doom guy style spartan. Mans so jacked he just stocks bullets with muscle

[Red Phantom]

Ursprungligen skrivet av latinaparfait:

key word *here* meaning you probably think your some sort of intellectual and when anybody is ever in the wrong you gotta compare them to flat earthers. the sign of a true intellectual.

No, the key word being "here" as in you would have no idea whether I've brought it up anywhere else and are creating a theoretical situation in your own mind in order to passive aggressively insult me, because you yourself aren't intellectually capable of responding to anything I've said, something of which you've obviously taken offense to yet aren't direct enough to address in plain words.

[Lucy_Kushinada_]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Sola Di Ryuvia:

Ursprungligen skrivet av ボブ:

I just wish there were more body type options in general. Right now it's just three masculine body types that don't vary much. What happened to the feminine body types that we saw in prior halo games? If you want inclusive representation, then be inclusive not exclusive of body types.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Red Phantom:

The fact that the armor doesn't change at all means that the underlying body is literally the same in terms of proportions. i.e. the width of the shoulders and hips, height, length of torso, hip to waist ratio etc. In other words, all of the ways that an anthropologist or doctor can look a a skeleton that is hundreds of years old and tell whether or not it's male or female. So for all intents and purposes, it's the same exact skeleton with different amounts of tissue mass.

Again, the previous three games were able to take these things into account and make visibly different male and female body types without having boob armor or anything like that. You are aware that there are more physiological differences between men and women than boobs, right?

These 2 things here all the way. Females just don't exist in Halo Infinite past voices for Spartans.
And in response to the guy talking about steroids. S4s are the least modified of all Spartans so they would have the most obvious differences along with a peak conditioned female looks different from peak conditioned male by a long shot. It isn't steroids they are on but simply cybernetics and a slight bioweave throughout some muscles and skin. Halo 4 and 5 portrayed this pretty well for the 4s (your MP character is a S4 have fun with that). Even S3s had very little changes compared to S2s. S2s even are recognizable between male and female and they were the most changed.

This is one of the most balanced takes on here. everyone has their reasons for what they want, but there should be a wider variety of types available to choose from.

Some people want to look traditionally feminine, some people will want to look incredibly buff and traditionally masculine. The idea is to have choice. They already allow you to choose a voice regardless of the body type you select—awesome, that's great.

But there is this weird aversion to more femme aesthetics in the western gaming industry for some reason thats been increasing over time, as if it's always offensive to people. It doesn't surprise me Infinite did it too, but it really limits the choice for a game that was very loud of their self-proclamations that you could express yourself however you deem fit—as long as it's not overly feminine, because that makes investors nervous.

[Red Phantom]

I've said it several times in this thread, but in this case I genuinely believe that 343 simply didn't want to go through the trouble of making different meshes for their models especially for the sake of armor core simplification and instead made one skeletal structure with a simple slider variation for muscle mass and called it a day. Although, as I also said, I was banned from the official Halo Infinite forum for suggesting that there are secondary sexual traits which make biological men and women different in terms of skeletal structure and proportion, so clearly somebody out there has an ideological dog in this "fight".

[Sola Di Ryuvia]

For sure, no reason we don't have 3 female 3 male and a neutral like body even after all Infinite will be "the halo platform for years to come" indicating we need to make sure the devs put their hearts and skill into this else we will have these weird random annoyances that last another 7yrs or so. They certain have the skill to do it after playing full campaign (and abit of MP) and seeing how well they programmed some parts of infinite, and they certainly have the budget with all the microtransactions and DLC and battlepasses being purchased.
It all aligns with lore to make it have multiple body types. Give us the female body types from Reach, 4 and maybe 5 then the males of Reach 4 and 5. Infinite's pre-existing bodies could be used as well gives a good amount of options that really shouldn't upset anyone with that many.