Campaign performance issues

[JacZenn]

I have a pretty solid pc that I actually built in anticipation of this game.

Specs are a RX6700xt, a ryzen 5 3600, and 16gb of ram at 3600 speed.

When playing the multiplayer I'm sitting at around 100 fps on the medium preset, which as much as I expect a little more, is fine with me. But when I play the campaign, while I can keep indoor sections locked perfectly at 60fps, the outdoor sections struggle to hold 30. I'm really just not sure what would be causing a problem like this I've checked usage % / temps on all my parts and done all the optimization techniques there are to be found. I just feel if my pc can run things like AC:Valhalla and Forza Horizon 5 at 90+ fps on max settings I should be able to play Halo at 30fps on medium.

*Edit: Thanks everyone for the help! I had the up to date drivers in AMD software but switching to the experimental drivers on their website has me playing in 1440p Ultra locked at 60 fps.

[Rage]

no point trying Nimez unless you want to try to force resizeable bar, performance woult be the same either way.

[Rage]

question: How big is your page file?

[IvanTheRexouium]

Escrito originalmente por Rage:

question: How big is your page file?

16GB paging file on my ssd, doing that actually solved a loading bug in the game where it would take 3+ minutes to load (became instant instead), but since the update made to the playlists, that issue was reintroduced with no way to fix it on my end as far as I can tell

[Rage]

Escrito originalmente por IvanTheWolf:

Escrito originalmente por Rage:

question: How big is your page file?

16GB paging file on my ssd, doing that actually solved a loading bug in the game where it would take 3+ minutes to load (became instant instead), but since the update made to the playlists, that issue was reintroduced with no way to fix it on my end as far as I can tell

Joy of joys :X

[Wylie28]

Escrito originalmente por Rage:

Escrito originalmente por Wylie28:

It doesn't sound like an optimization issue. It just sounds like AMD cards and driver issues. Optimization is reducing any given algorithms work, while still achieving the same result. Hardware not executing code when its freed up and the code itself isn't bottlenecking (IE, not made to use more than 1 core) does not fall under "optimization" but is more like a bug. No optimization will fix this problem, the problem is the GPU is refusing to do work for some reason. You can optimize all you want but no performance will be gained from it because the problem isn't the lack of effeciancy in the code the code is NOT BEING RAN. If you don't do any steps at all, making the steps take less time doesn't do much at all does it? This is a driver/api interface issue.

Sadly I'm inclined to agree that this is an AMD driver issue, there is no reason why it should run so bad when two of the target platforms run GCN AMD graphics (xbox one and xbox one x) apart from AMD cocking up their optimizations spectacularly.
At least PS4 ports don't have this issue.

Its factually an AMD issue. It runs just fine on Nvidia. The only reported issues, are exclusively AMD GPUs.

And xbox will use different drivers. Its a different OS.....

[IvanTheRexouium]

Escrito originalmente por Wylie28:

Escrito originalmente por Rage:

Sadly I'm inclined to agree that this is an AMD driver issue, there is no reason why it should run so bad when two of the target platforms run GCN AMD graphics (xbox one and xbox one x) apart from AMD cocking up their optimizations spectacularly.
At least PS4 ports don't have this issue.

Its factually an AMD issue. It runs just fine on Nvidia. The only reported issues, are exclusively AMD GPUs.

And xbox will use different drivers. Its a different OS.....

I've literally gotten Windows errors on Xbox before, it's a Windows 11 variation.

And look at Hardware Unboxed's benchmark of of Halo Infinite, every single gpu is getting much lower than expected performance, even 30 series. It's not to the extent of AMD, but even a GTX 1080 ti was falling below 60fps at 1080p, where it should be getting 1440p/60 ultra.

[Rage]

Escrito originalmente por IvanTheWolf:

Escrito originalmente por Wylie28:

Its factually an AMD issue. It runs just fine on Nvidia. The only reported issues, are exclusively AMD GPUs.

And xbox will use different drivers. Its a different OS.....

I've literally gotten Windows errors on Xbox before, it's a Windows 11 variation.

And look at Hardware Unboxed's benchmark of of Halo Infinite, every single gpu is getting much lower than expected performance, even 30 series. It's not to the extent of AMD, but even a GTX 1080 ti was falling below 60fps at 1080p, where it should be getting 1440p/60 ultra.

I've been trying to convince my brother to start playing infinite on his RX 480 so I can get some hands on and see what's going on for myself.. If my buddy is able to get 30 fps no reason why you shouldn't..

[IvanTheRexouium]

Escrito originalmente por Rage:

Escrito originalmente por IvanTheWolf:

I've literally gotten Windows errors on Xbox before, it's a Windows 11 variation.

And look at Hardware Unboxed's benchmark of of Halo Infinite, every single gpu is getting much lower than expected performance, even 30 series. It's not to the extent of AMD, but even a GTX 1080 ti was falling below 60fps at 1080p, where it should be getting 1440p/60 ultra.

I've been trying to convince my brother to start playing infinite on his RX 480 so I can get some hands on and see what's going on for myself.. If my buddy is able to get 30 fps no reason why you shouldn't..

Well if you're able to test it, if you don't want to buy the campaign for something that probably won't run well, test your performance on the "highpower" BTB map in custom games, or the training area, at native 1080p low settings (no DRS) to kind of get an idea of the performance, the campaign is still about 2x worse than those areas, but those aren't too great either

[Rage]

Escrito originalmente por IvanTheWolf:

Escrito originalmente por Rage:

I've been trying to convince my brother to start playing infinite on his RX 480 so I can get some hands on and see what's going on for myself.. If my buddy is able to get 30 fps no reason why you shouldn't..

Well if you're able to test it, if you don't want to buy the campaign for something that probably won't run well, test your performance on the "highpower" BTB map in custom games, or the training area, at native 1080p low settings (no DRS) to kind of get an idea of the performance, the campaign is still about 2x worse than those areas, but those aren't too great either

He already bought it and I have the game pass $1 trial. No way would I have paid full price for a game with so many performance issues.

[Wylie28]

Escrito originalmente por IvanTheWolf:

Escrito originalmente por Wylie28:

Its factually an AMD issue. It runs just fine on Nvidia. The only reported issues, are exclusively AMD GPUs.

And xbox will use different drivers. Its a different OS.....

I've literally gotten Windows errors on Xbox before, it's a Windows 11 variation.

And look at Hardware Unboxed's benchmark of of Halo Infinite, every single gpu is getting much lower than expected performance, even 30 series. It's not to the extent of AMD, but even a GTX 1080 ti was falling below 60fps at 1080p, where it should be getting 1440p/60 ultra.

I did watch the hardware unboxed. However, looking at average benchmarks and comparing the 1060 6gb I have rn, to the 3060ti im getting. The FPS it gets in the campaign seems about right. Its gets just over 2x the perofrmance as I do. Which is how the average game fares. They must have used an old version of the game. The real world results peopel are getting do not match that video. And that result is reflected in the H:I benchmarks. The only complaints I see about abnormal performance in here are strictly AMD cards.

[Rage]

Escrito originalmente por Wylie28:

Escrito originalmente por IvanTheWolf:

I've literally gotten Windows errors on Xbox before, it's a Windows 11 variation.

And look at Hardware Unboxed's benchmark of of Halo Infinite, every single gpu is getting much lower than expected performance, even 30 series. It's not to the extent of AMD, but even a GTX 1080 ti was falling below 60fps at 1080p, where it should be getting 1440p/60 ultra.

I did watch the hardware unboxed. However, looking at average benchmarks and comparing the 1060 6gb I have rn, to the 3060ti im getting. The FPS it gets in the campaign seems about right. Its gets just over 2x the perofrmance as I do. Which is how the average game fares. They must have used an old version of the game. The real world results peopel are getting do not match that video. And that result is reflected in the H:I benchmarks. The only complaints I see about abnormal performance in here are strictly AMD cards.

I know the Kitguru benchmark video explicitly mentioned that they believed AMD drivers have a memory management issue with this game.

[IvanTheRexouium]

Escrito originalmente por Wylie28:

Escrito originalmente por IvanTheWolf:

I've literally gotten Windows errors on Xbox before, it's a Windows 11 variation.

And look at Hardware Unboxed's benchmark of of Halo Infinite, every single gpu is getting much lower than expected performance, even 30 series. It's not to the extent of AMD, but even a GTX 1080 ti was falling below 60fps at 1080p, where it should be getting 1440p/60 ultra.

I did watch the hardware unboxed. However, looking at average benchmarks and comparing the 1060 6gb I have rn, to the 3060ti im getting. The FPS it gets in the campaign seems about right. Its gets just over 2x the perofrmance as I do. Which is how the average game fares. They must have used an old version of the game. The real world results peopel are getting do not match that video. And that result is reflected in the H:I benchmarks. The only complaints I see about abnormal performance in here are strictly AMD cards.

I've seen a huge amount of people with 1080 tis failing to reach native 1080p/60 ultra here, and his RX 580 is completely in line with what others are experiencing as well as his RTX 30 series gpus being in line with Digital Foundry's who had lower than expected performance without DRS.

Yes it's much worse on AMD as you said, but there are a few issues with Nvidia gpus too, I mean I did test an Nvidia A4000 for a short time which is faster than the Xbox Series X's gpu, and still only got about 4k/40fps on high settings, or 1440p/50 - 60fps and 1080p/60fps ultra while almost maxing the gpu at all resolutions

[IvanTheRexouium]

Escrito originalmente por Rage:

Escrito originalmente por Wylie28:

I did watch the hardware unboxed. However, looking at average benchmarks and comparing the 1060 6gb I have rn, to the 3060ti im getting. The FPS it gets in the campaign seems about right. Its gets just over 2x the perofrmance as I do. Which is how the average game fares. They must have used an old version of the game. The real world results peopel are getting do not match that video. And that result is reflected in the H:I benchmarks. The only complaints I see about abnormal performance in here are strictly AMD cards.

I know the Kitguru benchmark video explicitly mentioned that they believed AMD drivers have a memory management issue with this game.

I'm not saying I don't believe there are driver issues too, but I think the game's PC performance goes a bit further than just AMD driver issues, it does seem the AMD drivers aren't helping though as they've already increased performance by 10+% on RDNA2 gpus with a single driver update

[Wylie28]

Escrito originalmente por IvanTheWolf:

Escrito originalmente por Wylie28:

I did watch the hardware unboxed. However, looking at average benchmarks and comparing the 1060 6gb I have rn, to the 3060ti im getting. The FPS it gets in the campaign seems about right. Its gets just over 2x the perofrmance as I do. Which is how the average game fares. They must have used an old version of the game. The real world results peopel are getting do not match that video. And that result is reflected in the H:I benchmarks. The only complaints I see about abnormal performance in here are strictly AMD cards.

I've seen a huge amount of people with 1080 tis failing to reach native 1080p/60 ultra here, and his RX 580 is completely in line with what others are experiencing as well as his RTX 30 series gpus being in line with Digital Foundry's who had lower than expected performance without DRS.

Yes it's much worse on AMD as you said, but there are a few issues with Nvidia gpus too, I mean I did test an Nvidia A4000 for a short time which is faster than the Xbox Series X's gpu, and still only got about 4k/40fps on high settings, or 1440p/50 - 60fps and 1080p/60fps ultra while almost maxing the gpu at all resolutions

Yeah a 1080 sucks compared to consoles. They are not going hit 1080 60fps at max settings. Thats consistent with the gap in performance between low and ultra. My 1060 gettings 70 at min, means there is no way a 1080 should be getting 60 at ultra. The FPS drops MORE than half between the two. And the 1080 is barely 60% faster, on great sillicon

Seems more like these people are picking a abnormal value as a baseline. The vast majority are cards are performing pretty much the same. The baseline they are using seems to be the outlier case.

This is a next gen console game. Min spec is between a 2070 and 2080 if you want high settings

[Mother's Best Boy]

set fps to unlimited, lowest fps to 82. everything is on ultra with 150% resolution. average around 90 fps with my rig.

But the performance is quite odd in that it feels like its sort of stuttering no matter what