How do you complete "the Handover" undetected - having real issues!

[IanH]

Hi there, I'm using the MP5SD6 on both troopers, keeping Fergie silent using Shift-F etc and yet I can't even get onto the bridge because as soon as my troopers fire, even with the SD6, the entire enemy reacts.

Has anyone managed to do it and, if so, do you have any tips?

[axios2006]

Hi,

this video could be a starting point: https://youtu.be/hXf_dS1IDqc

Then, elaborate it and wait for more tips.

[IanH]

It's a good video for completing it normally, thanks.

To get the "Undetected" award, even with suppressed weapons, as soon as you explode a grenade/flashbang you lose the "Undetected" part unless you can kill everyone whilst they're all still stunned.

At the moment the only guy I can shoot at yet still remain undetected is the guy in the left most car by the left door, as soon as I shoot at anyone else every enemy reacts and I lose the "Undetected" award, even if I still finish the mission with 3 stars.

Yeap, it's definitely a tough one!

[axios2006]

As I said, this video was a starting point, an idea for create a plan for be undetected...

It's a bit hard to achieve it...

[Timerlane]

Took a peek at the XML for Fergie's weapons/ammo, and figure this might be relevant:
Her PM63 SMG(found among the 'enemy' weapons) has a sound radius of 20m.

Her Suppressed .45 pistol has a sound radius of only 4m. It also has an incredibly high base crit chance, so it's very likely to drop whatever she can hit with it.

So, strong suggestion: Switch Fergie to her pistol at the very beginning, as it's probably both considerably more lethal and quieter than her primary. Remember that units on 'silent' will still open fire on enemies that are threatening friendlies, so unless you don't let her see anything/leave her crouched, there's always a chance that her not-really-silenced primary could end up giving your presence away.

EDIT: It IS possible:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2438900958
Remember you can mouseover enemies to see their view cone.

Definitely keep distance from people you're not intending to shoot right away(don't play as if 2.5m or 4m is a definitive 'they can't hear anything at all beyond this' range).

Pay attention to who/what's behind what each of your people are shooting, as you don't want stray rounds to 'wake up' anyone you didn't intend to. Move off to the side if that means keeping other enemies away from the line of fire.

You can force your people to switch targets by moving their view(right click) to look away from their current target while UNPAUSED. It won't work while paused.

[Lizard]

First tip, hover your mouse over enemies to see their cones of vision, pick off the ones that nobody sees first.
Once you're on the bridge it gets tricky, have different soldiers aim at different enemies for a simultaneous take-down.

Last tip, clear the house first before you approach the group all the way to the right behind the jersey barrier, I actually used a grenade on them after the rest of the map was cleared.

This is one of the hardest ones to do stealthy.

[Timerlane]

Originally posted by monitorLizard:

Last tip, clear the house first before you approach the group all the way to the right behind the jersey barrier, I actually used a grenade on them after the rest of the map was cleared.

This is one of the hardest ones to do stealthy.

FWIW, always remember that one can choose to complete(and still three-star) a hostage mission by simply evac-ing all hostages. From what I can tell, there are no triggers that go off when any of the hostages are unbound/taken, so this is an entirely valid way to trim off a bit of risk(potentially allowing you to ignore the large group on the right, and the one guy who might be either in the bathroom, or tucked away as far 'behind' the house as possible).

[BibleClinger]

A friend and I are currently stuck on the stealth aspect of this mission. Even when the bad guys don't say anything, the mission debrief still shows stealth was compromised. There's no way we can tell if the alarm has been tripped, and so much of this just feels arbitrary about when and how the bad guys are detecting us.

Edit: I was able to complete it in singleplayer after we tried for awhile. I still don't understand all of the mechanics behind detection. With my plan, it took a number of runs before I ended up with the right conditions.

[Johny Traktorzysta]

So is there any recording on how to do this mission undetected? I have an issue with a guy in a house. He always sees me through the window.

[axios2006]

Originally posted by Johny Traktorzysta:

So is there any recording on how to do this mission undetected? I have an issue with a guy in a house. He always sees me through the window.

Hi,

a couple of days ago, one of the most skilled players on youtube, played this mission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVM5RzAQCBQ Still no "undetected" achievement...

[Japlet]

Originally posted by Johny Traktorzysta:

So is there any recording on how to do this mission undetected? I have an issue with a guy in a house. He always sees me through the window.

I did it but took no video. If I remember correctly, you need to have one guy aim at the enemy that is standing just beside the window, while you use other troop to walk in front of the window and kill the enemy in the back of the room.

When that enemy at the back sees you, your guy will automatically engage, and so will your other troop that was aiming for the first enemy (which does not see you).

After that don't bother killing all the troops, just get the hostage in the house and leave.

[Japlet]

Here, I made a video with 3 challenges
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fHTNrNK3hI

[IanH]

Originally posted by Japlet:

Here, I made a video with 3 challenges
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fHTNrNK3hI

Awesome!

I didn't know Fergie had a silenced pistol which, as the video shows, seems to be the key to getting this achievement.

[Cypress Blade]

Here is my version.

https://youtu.be/01DLL2UZl68

[Autolykos]

Originally posted by Johny Traktorzysta:

So is there any recording on how to do this mission undetected? I have an issue with a guy in a house. He always sees me through the window.

You still count as "undetected" if you immediately (somewhere within a second, I guess) kill anyone seeing or hearing you. Exploiting this grace period to the fullest is sometimes the only way to do it, when you can't sneak in behind someone.
Alternatively, save him till last and blast him with a wall shot. Should still count, and is extremely satisfying ^^