Battle Honors for Unlocks needs to be toned down.

[Major Fret]

Having equipment locked behind Battle Honors is really unfair. You're only making 1-2 per campaign (2-4 on Iron Man), less you just play the Tour of Duty (AKA play the same maps over and over and over again).

Even if you're god's gift to Doorkickers 2 and play on Iron Man all the time, this is a lot of grind to put up with, compounded by the fact that Battle Honors are not shared, so you'll have to do it all over again with your other teams.

Some of the unlocks are absurd too. Having to unlock 147 grain hollowpoints for both the APC9-K and the SWAT pistols is madness.

inb4 you can cheat it. Never had that urge with DK1 and it shouldn't be this bad.

[Sgt. Sarge]

I agree... personally I think the battle honors should be removed completely, or at least added to single missions.
The grindiness is the whole reason why I ended up figuring out how to cheat it.

[Takeshi, made in Mom]

Yeah, also 20 stars things are painful.
I am a local file digger so I could save the stars, but finally cheated for my guide.
Do innocent newcomers need to wait so long?

[IvantheFormidable]

Honestly, it doesn't take a ton of time to unlock the equipment you want. You don't need to unlock stuff you aren't going to use anyway. If you want to cheat it, that's your choice.

[Dozy]

I got 6-9 battle honors per deployment in ironman and about 70 stars. It really isn't that difficult to unlock things. For CIA and SWAT it might be but it's part of progression, you can't expect the game to give you everything.

[Major Fret]

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

Honestly, it doesn't take a ton of time to unlock the equipment you want. You don't need to unlock stuff you aren't going to use anyway. If you want to cheat it, that's your choice.

But I want to unlock it all. There's stuff that wasn't in previous versions of the game that I'd like to experiment with (HK 21E, NVGs for SWAT, Flux Raider for CIA, 6.8 NSGW weapons for Rangers).

Originally posted by Dozy:

I got 6-9 battle honors per deployment in ironman and about 70 stars. It really isn't that difficult to unlock things. For CIA and SWAT it might be but it's part of progression, you can't expect the game to give you everything.

How long were those deployments? I'd estimate that's at least a 2 week deployment, which is 14 missions, which all start to have the same layouts.

6-9 isn't that much either when it comes to the SWAT team. Some of the items ( helmet, Level IV shield) costs 8+ Battle Honors each. That's not even getting into some items of theirs that I'd consider incredibly useful such as NVGs and plate armor for the militia.

My complaint isn't that I have to work to unlock stuff. My complaint is that you have to do the same thing over and over and over again to unlock stuff. It also puts the player in a position where they're not going to engage with other content (Single missions, user made maps), as they can't earn certain things.

Having progress just be stars worked fine in DK1. You had plenty of incentive to play campaigns as you'd get 2x the stars at the end. I also still think you could have battle honors to some degree as unit buffs or something, but making players play the same content they've already completed over and over and over is poor game design.

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by Major Fret:

But I want to unlock it all. There's stuff that wasn't in previous versions of the game that I'd like to experiment with (HK 21E, NVGs for SWAT, Flux Raider for CIA, 6.8 NSGW weapons for Rangers).

Ok? Then you can either unlock it through gameplay (if that's your thing) or use some sort of cheat to unlock all equipment at the get go. I don't think the costs are unreasonable if you like the first route, but any cost would be unreasonable if you prefer the second route. It gives the player incentives to complete the campaigns, or to prioritize those intel missions.

[Major Fret]

For people still defending this garbage.

It takes about 50 Battle Honors to unlock everything with the SWAT team. Assuming you're playing Tour of Duty for 2 weeks on Iron Man and always making it through to the end, that'd be around 7 tours for just the SWAT team. That would not account for Rangers (Who of the top of my head would need at least 2-3 tours, might be more) and CIA (who'd need only one tour, but I think it's fair to say the average player is going to struggle with this considering one casualty is equal to losing 25% of your team).

Again, my argument is not about having to earn things. My argument is the repetition of having do the same thing over and over to earn specific items. Making everything unlockable by stars still gives players an incentive to play campaigns but doesn't pressure them to do the same thing over and over again.

[Takeshi, made in Mom]

Dev gave us many many toys, so don't we want to try them?
After the grinding, it's too late to play with the new toy.

[Morale -10]

I think Battle Honors are fine, just that i can't seem to be able to finish a campaign with the CIA. Any minor injury in a pain to deal with when you only have four people to work with.

[LightnBurn]

The only battle honor items that are really must haves are the SWAT armor plates for militia and the AP ammo, everything else isn't needed at all. Many of the weapons are functionally the same. Alll the LMGs are basically the same, there's close range and long range ARs, almost all the snipers are the same.

Don't feel like you are missing out on anything.

[Chaos]

Feel free to edit them in if you feel like it.
Not like it bother us anyway since it's a single player game.

[Major Fret]

Originally posted by LightnBurn:

The only battle honor items that are really must haves are the SWAT armor plates for militia and the AP ammo, everything else isn't needed at all. Many of the weapons are functionally the same. Alll the LMGs are basically the same, there's close range and long range ARs, almost all the snipers are the same.

Don't feel like you are missing out on anything.

I don't know what it is about the Steam forums that makes people bend over backwards to misunderstand the point I'm trying to make...

If none of that ♥♥♥♥ is important, then why does it matter if I do or don't unlock it with stars? Why make me play the same levels over and over and over again to get this ♥♥♥♥? IDK about y'all, but the appeal of Doorkickers to me is figuring out how to best approach each level and then moving on, not just mindlessly grinding out the same 10 or so 'randomized' maps ad nauseam.

[Val-ient]

Originally posted by Major Fret:

Originally posted by LightnBurn:

The only battle honor items that are really must haves are the SWAT armor plates for militia and the AP ammo, everything else isn't needed at all. Many of the weapons are functionally the same. Alll the LMGs are basically the same, there's close range and long range ARs, almost all the snipers are the same.

Don't feel like you are missing out on anything.

I don't know what it is about the Steam forums that makes people bend over backwards to misunderstand the point I'm trying to make...

If none of that ♥♥♥♥ is important, then why does it matter if I do or don't unlock it with stars? Why make me play the same levels over and over and over again to get this ♥♥♥♥? IDK about y'all, but the appeal of Doorkickers to me is figuring out how to best approach each level and then moving on, not just mindlessly grinding out the same 10 or so 'randomized' maps ad nauseam.

this. this exact thing right here. this is why i stopped playing the game after 250+ hours. randomized maps dont have the same interest and uniqueness that the handmade maps do. im not saying thats a problem the devs have to fix, but oh my god does it get boring when 90% of the random gen maps are a variation of the same like 5 buildings, just with different layouts.

[Vulpe Nebuna]

The idea of Battle Honors is that they are restricted per squad, so 2 different squads won't have the same unlocks. You're not meant to get everything, and they are items that the team would not normally have, but have strived to obtain by working a lot.

Sorry if you think our work is garbage :) and we'll work to improve it. Feedback is noted!

[Takeshi, made in Mom]

Then refund?
Super strong things should be restricted, but which to choose would be better after tried.

For me or other veterans it would be ovbious, because we snoop, cheat or rewind.
But for other legal players?