Best Titan / Build in Frontier Defense?

[Retro Gaming Boss]

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I had been running a fully maxed-out Tone, which was serviceable but did not really excel at anything. I've since been running a Northstar and am absolutely loving it, especially the whole 'run and gun' murdering thing... Just maxed it out as well after playing this match. Good stuff. Any recommendations for best perks to use with it, especially at the hard / master difficulty levels?

BTW, I own this game on Origin, not Steam..

[Artek [General]]

Don't know about "Best" since its a team mode... But i think on higher difficulties every team needs at least 1 scorch and 1 either ronin or northstar to keep an eye out for mortars who spawn far away.

Scorch is amazing for holding tight corridors and when multiple titans try to rush a lane. Northstar can do it too, technically, with the penetration perk but i think scorch is just easier to execute and he wont get destroyed as fast.

Northstars and ronins are great for roaming and situational awareness - they can switch lanes quickly and take care of mortars if needed.

[esturias]

The best one is the one that works best for you. There isn't much variation, so just play around a bit.
Given the repetitive nature of that gamemode, you could even beat it with rather "bad" titans if you know what to do.

[Sterling]

For Northstar, I'd definitely recommend the double traps kit. From what I've tested so far, I could only place four traps with the single one, while the double kit was already letting me place more than that. It also goes well with the explosive traps you get from aegis and the two charges (which, from what I'm noticing, seems to reduce the trap cooldown as well, but I can't really say anything for sure). That with the double rockets at the end of aegis can make Northstar surprisingly good at AoE, not to mention double the traps means twice the amount of titans and reapers stopped and twice the explosion damage. It's a shame it sacrifices the piercing railgun for that, but Legion gets piercing on aegis anyway, so...

[Stryke(r)]

Depends on the map you play on - Scorch is really effective, unless it's a very open map (but as soon as you have places where the enemies tunnel, place some arc traps and just smelt everything there). Monarch is good for higher difficulties and survivability in team play (as well as pesky drones), and northstar with PIERCING SHOT is insanely strong on targets that are lined up (which is basically on every map)

[esturias]

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

, plus these "healing" abilities suck real hard and are totally useless.

That's true and highly disappointing, as that would have been a nice teamplay mechanic that the game almost lacks entirely.

[Sterling]

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

Originalmente postado por Stryke(r):

Monarch is good

Please don't disinform people, Monarch is absolute bottom tier as DPS, plus these "healing" abilities suck real hard and are totally useless.

Monarch is classified as a support titan, so it doesn't really come as a surprise that her damage is bad. The only complaint I have about her healing is that it doesn't register properly in moving targets (was an issue in Killing Floor as well, except there it recharged faster). Considering a fully-upgraded Monarch, however, mine can give people shields back, do an AoE slow and have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ amount of health along with increased core generation and only needing to build 80% core power. The stuff I have built for her turned her into a survivability monster and I have four whole ways to regen shields, with the fourth also giving me some health back.

This is not to say some stuff she has can't be disappointing (the sniper configuration aegis still has bad sustained accuracy and it seems the accelerator upgrade doesn't really do much but increase the fire rate without touching the damage and the battery out of doomed kit relies on people actually wanting to help mid-match), but she is faaaaaaar from a bad titan. Oh yeah, and when I keep her alive the entire match only for the harvester to go down at one of the last waves, I hate the game treating me as if I lost her. The least they could've done was restarting the wave with the titans on the same state as they were when the checkpoint was saved. It's annoying to rebuild three whole upgrades in one wave.

[Sterling]

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

Devs themselves don't know how stuff works, look at weapon stats, it's total gibberish.

This is not about weapon stats, though. This is about Monarch rightfully being classified as a support titan for FD.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

That's because monarch(or/and you) does pisspoor dps as far as killing AI titans goes.

Yes, her DPS isn't great, that's what I already said on the comment you replied to. Pointing fingers at my performance while knowing nothing of it, though, doesn't really convince me.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

Which lasts 1.5 seconds, plus shitting out esmoke constantly works WAY better.

That seems to imply that both can't be done. It's definitely true, but not for the point you were trying to make with it.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

I've done easy kodai FD solo as monarch, even with maelstrom my ass was constantly on fire(most of the time literally, heh) due to inability to properly adress high priority threats like arc titans/scorches due to lack of focused dps. Each titan has same survivability as every other(besides ronin, but that's a "feature"), as everyone can use esmoke to force AI stop shooting at you, so survivability/"healing" isn't a strong point. We're still talking about FD, right?

You don't seem to be understanding what I'm talking about, so I'll repeat: Monarch has four different ways to regain shields; Monarch can have a health buff and crit immunity on the third upgrade; Monarch can do battery executions for health. It's not about "but everyone can use smoke", but what Monarch can use aside from the smoke.

This is the part where I needlessly say something degrading about your performance as a player to try to incite fighting because disagreement on the internet must be always treated as a personal attack.

[Sterling]

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

Yeah Tone is also classified as support, now what? This isn't MOBA, doing anything other than destroying enemy forces is waste of time and effort.

Not incorrect, but definitely incomplete. Tone is an offense/support titan, while Monarch is a support titan.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

You don't seem to understand what i'm talking about either, so i'll try to simplify it: so what? What are you gonna do with it? Shields don't last more than five seconds under fire and staying alive isn't that helpful when your harvester goes poof.

From what I'm understanding, you just don't seem to grasp the point I'm trying to make. Of course shields are going to go down under fire, which is where Monarch's four different ways to regain them come in. It's not a particularly hard concept to peek, siphon, rearm, peek and siphon again. I'm not talking Monarch facetanks everything and is literally overpowered or anything of the sort, but her survivability can be probably the best one I've seen so far and she still gives people shields as well.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

Yeah the point was about wasting second upgrade tier, maelstrom does way better job at what are you trying to do.

Whether it's a waste or not is very subjective, specially with how the area siphon also works for giving back shields to Monarch per enemy hit with it. You can risk stealing a battery, have someone do it for you, spend a somewhat limited supply of smoke, or... just press the button on a small group of enemies.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

What health? I thought you're alive through four ways to regain your shield so you don't need health? IMO, doing these executions is also waste of time, it's not time-efficient.

I never said health is unnecessary, so I can't really address that besides "you really don't understand what I'm trying to say here".

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

WHY, like, real why? What are you gonna do with all this health? If you can't kill shit fast enough harvester goes poof, as simple as that.

Outliving things in direct combat is, uh... I'm not sure how to say it in a simple way. Two is bigger than one?

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

If you want to play victim, sure, i'm not attacking you, though, but your... uninformed opinion.

I thought the satire was obvious, but since we're going this way already, you already decided to claim I'm doing poor DPS while knowing nothing of the way I play. You seem to do nothing besides being overly-aggressive and incapable of even trying to understand what someone else is saying.
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[Astellan]

Originalmente postado por esturias:

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

, plus these "healing" abilities suck real hard and are totally useless.

That's true and highly disappointing, as that would have been a nice teamplay mechanic that the game almost lacks entirely.

They should have never bothered with healing in FD. Self-Regening shields would have been better with the Monarch being able to overcharge them and they should have removed respawns and amped weapons.

[Sterling]

Originalmente postado por Astellan:

Originalmente postado por esturias:

That's true and highly disappointing, as that would have been a nice teamplay mechanic that the game almost lacks entirely.

They should have never bothered with healing in FD. Self-Regening shields would have been better with the Monarch being able to overcharge them and they should have removed respawns and amped weapons.

I like the idea of it, but being a dedicated cowboy for the local Legion/Scorch is such a chore with how long it takes to just get one battery for them. Get one from too close and they have to kill the titan, get one from too far and you're wallrunning a mile as a tradeoff for the "safety". I wish I could actually grab a battery, get in my titan and then press a button to use it, instead of being unable to get into one if it already has a shield or enough health. Battery-stealing would be much better if I could set my Ronin to distract a titan, rodeo when doomed and then phase/dash spam to the tank.

[Astellan]

Originalmente postado por Sterling:

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

Yeah Tone is also classified as support, now what? This isn't MOBA, doing anything other than destroying enemy forces is waste of time and effort.

Not incorrect, but definitely incomplete. Tone is an offense/support titan, while Monarch is a support titan.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

You don't seem to understand what i'm talking about either, so i'll try to simplify it: so what? What are you gonna do with it? Shields don't last more than five seconds under fire and staying alive isn't that helpful when your harvester goes poof.

From what I'm understanding, you just don't seem to grasp the point I'm trying to make. Of course shields are going to go down under fire, which is where Monarch's four different ways to regain them come in. It's not a particularly hard concept to peek, siphon, rearm, peek and siphon again. I'm not talking Monarch facetanks everything and is literally overpowered or anything of the sort, but her survivability can be probably the best one I've seen so far and she still gives people shields as well.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

Yeah the point was about wasting second upgrade tier, maelstrom does way better job at what are you trying to do.

Whether it's a waste or not is very subjective, specially with how the area siphon also works for giving back shields to Monarch per enemy hit with it. You can risk stealing a battery, have someone do it for you, spend a somewhat limited supply of smoke, or... just press the button on a small group of enemies.

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

What health? I thought you're alive through four ways to regain your shield so you don't need health? IMO, doing these executions is also waste of time, it's not time-efficient.

I never said health is unnecessary, so I can't really address that besides "you really don't understand what I'm trying to say here".

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

WHY, like, real why? What are you gonna do with all this health? If you can't kill shit fast enough harvester goes poof, as simple as that.

Outliving things in direct combat is, uh... I'm not sure how to say it in a simple way. Two is bigger than one?

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

If you want to play victim, sure, i'm not attacking you, though, but your... uninformed opinion.

I thought the satire was obvious, but since we're going this way already, you already decided to claim I'm doing poor DPS while knowing nothing of the way I play. You seem to do nothing besides being overly-aggressive and incapable of even trying to understand what someone else is saying.
"I believe X is right."
"OMG NOOOO HOW DARE YOU SAY Y IS RIGHT"
"I said X, though, not Y."
"YES AND Y IS COMPLETELY WRONG, YOUR OPINION IS CLEARLY BAD"

The value of the monarch is to play the support role to high DPS titans. You won't be able to explain that to many titanfall players because the majority of them play Rambo. The scrub your arguing with is on the record of saying that Particle Wall is worthless because in his opinion, it cannot stop a player from flanking or running away. If you can flank the Tone then the tone and the team is bad but the scrub your arguing with screamed in the last thread "working as a group is bad tactics". So, take that into account.

[Lain]

wait.. does deploying esmoke stop the ai titans shooting at you??? i sware it doesnt

" Each titan has same survivability as every other(besides ronin, but that's a "feature"), as everyone can use esmoke to force AI stop shooting at you, so survivability/"healing" isn't a strong point. We're still talking about FD, right?" just what shazbot! said

[Astellan]

Originalmente postado por Stairs:

wait.. does deploying esmoke stop the ai titans shooting at you??? i sware it doesnt

" Each titan has same survivability as every other(besides ronin, but that's a "feature"), as everyone can use esmoke to force AI stop shooting at you, so survivability/"healing" isn't a strong point. We're still talking about FD, right?" just what shazbot! said

Yes, it does. The AI cannot see through the smoke and they stop shooting you. If you run into the smoke as they are shooting you they will still hit. But they will stop firing and try to either go around the smoke or wait till it dissipates.

Also, they do not have the same survivability. A tone can go through master Black Water Canal without ever losing its shield. Ronin's survivability is due to two phase dashes on top of two dashes. Due to the AI pathing to the Harvester the Ronin has the ability to escape any bad situation unlike the others.

Also, no one should be using smoke all the time and the Smoke that the Monarch has will restore your shield. If having a shield means nothing then no one would buy batteries.

[esturias]

Originalmente postado por Shazbot!:

What's your titan gens and aegis ranks anyway, non-scrub?

That's entirely irrelevant again.

[esturias]

Originalmente postado por Astellan:

The value of the monarch is to play the support role to high DPS titans. You won't be able to explain that to many titanfall players because the majority of them play Rambo.

It's also pretty useless to explain, because the support by a Monarch is entirely pointless. It takes so little time to drop a new titan that sacrificing 1/4 of the team's firepower only to have some mediocre healing abilities really seems pointless.