30K people online but every lobby is a RIDICULOUS sweat fest.

[OMGfriedbacon]

I stopped playing after an hour because literally every lobby was full of apparently TF2 gods that played the last 5 years despite it being f2p this weekend.

I consider myself decent at Apex and I actually bought and played the game at release and remember having fun for a few weeks before losing interest.

Could it be that the game remembered my SBMM rating from 5 years ago or something?
These games I played were so insanely onesided I´m just flabbergasted. Even Titan gameplay was tryhard as ♥♥♥♥, everyone had perfect movement and camped behind cover it was truly ridiculous I have no words. I highly appreciate TF2 but that was so unfun I uninstalled. Not playing this to rage constantly. Back to apex...

[iza]

Dreignir eredeti hozzászólása:

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

No meta?
http://php.scripts.psu.edu/users/r/r/rre5027/game251/lab1.html
Weird, I got killed by "S-Tier" enough.

Remind me how I am "tilted"?

I'm not even looking for a competitive game, I was looking for a fun game and Titanfall 2 is clearly not fun but if you have been paying attention to what I said, it is about competitive games in general. It's not really the game itself I have issues with, it is the community. Playing against meta slaves analyzing the game before attempting to play is not.

Spending five minutes on my second playthrough of Fire Emblem: 3H or Xenoblade Chronicles 2 on the Switch reminds me that video games can be fun. I get your point but you clearly didn't get mine unfortunately.

That link is outdated and dumb af, Spitfire is a S tier gun.And nowadays most of the online fps games are just competitive.And the fun fact is most of the people aren't even sweaty, people are just bad.They don't know what dpi is, they don't know grip styles and mice ergonomics, they don't know what is monitor hz and blaming the community for being sweaty. Online fps games (comp or not) are requires decent skill with decent equipment.It's all about getting crashed or dominating the enemy.Whichever online fps game you're playing you will always encounter with sweaty people.For more casual stuff maybe you should try singleplayer, or maybe try to get better at fps games. :froggu:

Why do you bother answering to me if you clearly havent read what I wrote before this. Try to get better at FPS games..? Is the next step is ESEA/FACEIT on a high level because Global Elite isnt remotely enough?

Also you must be either young or fairly new to competitive gaming, because it was clearly not aight crushing people a decade ago. And I was the zoomer trying to be better than most people.

Casuals dont bother, they just turn up cod to play with a few friends after work, it's the majority of players and always will be, which is a good thing.

Pseudolukian eredeti hozzászólása:

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

Competitive gaming is ass in general nowadays and this is coming from someone playing with several "goals" (atleast for myself wouldn't call them achievements), such as GE in CS:GO, GM in OW, even a 4k badge in Apex. Perhaps I've grown too old, because I've been playing competitive games for over 10 years and I'm 26. I play enough single player games as well, but nowadays I just prefer them A LOT more.

Wake me up when competitive games are fun again and reminds people of having fun and chasing own builds instead of this snoring mess.

I think you did, in fact, grow too old for comp shooters. Competitive games have always been about winning at any cost, whether it be simply using the best tactics/weapons in the game. Not everyone plays competitive games only 'for fun', but rather to win. This article explains it better than i can.[learntocounter.com]

Don't bash other players for being better than you at a game. That just makes you look like a tool.

Congratulations, I had that mentality when I was a teenager. If adults keep having this mindset, my condolences.

No idea how old you are, back about 10 years ago, people have been playing for fun and didn't follow a streamer or any guide for the best combination possible, because it was only a videogame.

Yeah you had your noob tube in MW2 or several akimbo setups but people clearly didnt abuse it to death.

If you were a good player in the first place, you'd come to this conclusion aswell and I'm not talking about the metaslaves exclusively, but the issue around matchmaking in general.

DivineLion eredeti hozzászólása:

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

The game has "sorta SBMM", stop please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1JNRXAx73k&t=70s
Official source in case you claim something different.

The game is absurdly broken and coming back after enough years I was tempted to try it and had either complete blatant aimbots or absolutely sweaters playing as if they're held hostage and killed if they make a single mistake.

The game was fun when it was released and now you can clearly see the core issues going on and it isn't even the game itself that much, although I see the same weapons and same builds all over again. Metaslaves bore me to death and everyone does the same already.

Competitive gaming is ass in general nowadays and this is coming from someone playing with several "goals" (atleast for myself wouldn't call them achievements), such as GE in CS:GO, GM in OW, even a 4k badge in Apex. Perhaps I've grown too old, because I've been playing competitive games for over 10 years and I'm 26. I play enough single player games as well, but nowadays I just prefer them A LOT more.

Wake me up when competitive games are fun again and reminds people of having fun and chasing own builds instead of this snoring mess.

comp games are still fun, especially siege, sounds like you just complain alot. maybe comp games are not just your thing anymore?

Siege is actually the only game I've spent roughly 50 hours into and I can agree that I wasn't willing to invest a lot of time into learning the maps. I dont how am I complaining a lot when infact this is the only thread you've seen me so far.

About competitive games not being my thing anymore is probably right. But people make it up like I'm bad in FPS games, when in reality I've accomplished my own goals I've made for these games and I see no reason to go beyond the highest skill group in these games? What would that be? ESEA? FACEIT?

[CrixusAegis]

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

Dominic Baughman eredeti hozzászólása:

TF2 has never had any sorta SBMM and you cannot expect to do well in a movement shooter just because you play other fps's. And before you make the comparison, no, apex is not a movement shooter. Might want to try frontier defense or the single player?

The game has "sorta SBMM", stop please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1JNRXAx73k&t=70s
Official source in case you claim something different.

The game is absurdly broken and coming back after enough years I was tempted to try it and had either complete blatant aimbots or absolutely sweaters playing as if they're held hostage and killed if they make a single mistake.

The game was fun when it was released and now you can clearly see the core issues going on and it isn't even the game itself that much, although I see the same weapons and same builds all over again. Metaslaves bore me to death and everyone does the same already.

Competitive gaming is ass in general nowadays and this is coming from someone playing with several "goals" (atleast for myself wouldn't call them achievements), such as GE in CS:GO, GM in OW, even a 4k badge in Apex. Perhaps I've grown too old, because I've been playing competitive games for over 10 years and I'm 26. I play enough single player games as well, but nowadays I just prefer them A LOT more.

Wake me up when competitive games are fun again and reminds people of having fun and chasing own builds instead of this snoring mess.

I'd go into depth but you sound like you made up your mind already, so in short: there's always going to be someone that can stomp you, they most likely aren't cheating, as ive played this for years and have seen maybe a handful of cheaters max, and this game isn't competitive, nor is it an RPG with thousands of custom builds, so yes you will see some of the same weapons, tacticals and titans. I suggest you stick with it and get better.

[iza]

CrixusAegis eredeti hozzászólása:

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

The game has "sorta SBMM", stop please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1JNRXAx73k&t=70s
Official source in case you claim something different.

The game is absurdly broken and coming back after enough years I was tempted to try it and had either complete blatant aimbots or absolutely sweaters playing as if they're held hostage and killed if they make a single mistake.

The game was fun when it was released and now you can clearly see the core issues going on and it isn't even the game itself that much, although I see the same weapons and same builds all over again. Metaslaves bore me to death and everyone does the same already.

Competitive gaming is ass in general nowadays and this is coming from someone playing with several "goals" (atleast for myself wouldn't call them achievements), such as GE in CS:GO, GM in OW, even a 4k badge in Apex. Perhaps I've grown too old, because I've been playing competitive games for over 10 years and I'm 26. I play enough single player games as well, but nowadays I just prefer them A LOT more.

Wake me up when competitive games are fun again and reminds people of having fun and chasing own builds instead of this snoring mess.

I'd go into depth but you sound like you made up your mind already, so in short: there's always going to be someone that can stomp you, they most likely aren't cheating, as ive played this for years and have seen maybe a handful of cheaters max, and this game isn't competitive, nor is it an RPG with thousands of custom builds, so yes you will see some of the same weapons, tacticals and titans. I suggest you stick with it and get better.

There is always somehow who can stomp you: correct.
Most likely aren't cheating? Probably, but free weekends make it easy and my experience was getting killed by blatant aimbotters, nah it's not normal if that person is turning 90 to 180 degrees without moving the mouse popping heads like an everyday job. Must be legitimate and normal I guess nowadays lmao. I'm outta here, copiumlevels are getting unreal.

[CrixusAegis]

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

CrixusAegis eredeti hozzászólása:

I'd go into depth but you sound like you made up your mind already, so in short: there's always going to be someone that can stomp you, they most likely aren't cheating, as ive played this for years and have seen maybe a handful of cheaters max, and this game isn't competitive, nor is it an RPG with thousands of custom builds, so yes you will see some of the same weapons, tacticals and titans. I suggest you stick with it and get better.

There is always somehow who can stomp you: correct.
Most likely aren't cheating? Probably, but free weekends make it easy and my experience was getting killed by blatant aimbotters, nah it's not normal if that person is turning 90 to 180 degrees without moving the mouse popping heads like an everyday job. Must be legitimate and normal I guess nowadays lmao. I'm outta here, copiumlevels are getting unreal.

You won't be missed.

[iza]

CrixusAegis eredeti hozzászólása:

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

There is always somehow who can stomp you: correct.
Most likely aren't cheating? Probably, but free weekends make it easy and my experience was getting killed by blatant aimbotters, nah it's not normal if that person is turning 90 to 180 degrees without moving the mouse popping heads like an everyday job. Must be legitimate and normal I guess nowadays lmao. I'm outta here, copiumlevels are getting unreal.

You won't be missed.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/304390/discussions/0/2575445991820457058/

That you bro?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/8500/discussions/0/3108014879953766945/?ctp=2#c3104638636529094962

Nevermind you're just a toxic PoS.

[Punished Miller]

CrixusAegis eredeti hozzászólása:

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

There is always somehow who can stomp you: correct.
Most likely aren't cheating? Probably, but free weekends make it easy and my experience was getting killed by blatant aimbotters, nah it's not normal if that person is turning 90 to 180 degrees without moving the mouse popping heads like an everyday job. Must be legitimate and normal I guess nowadays lmao. I'm outta here, copiumlevels are getting unreal.

You won't be missed.

Yes, I'm sure the opinion of a moron who can't deal with "ganks" in FH is relevant lmao. You are the one who won't be missed.

[Fish]

OMGfriedbacon eredeti hozzászólása:

I stopped playing after an hour because literally every lobby was full of apparently TF2 gods that played the last 5 years despite it being f2p this weekend.

I consider myself decent at Apex and I actually bought and played the game at release and remember having fun for a few weeks before losing interest.

Could it be that the game remembered my SBMM rating from 5 years ago or something?
These games I played were so insanely onesided I´m just flabbergasted. Even Titan gameplay was tryhard as ♥♥♥♥, everyone had perfect movement and camped behind cover it was truly ridiculous I have no words. I highly appreciate TF2 but that was so unfun I uninstalled. Not playing this to rage constantly. Back to apex...

This is kind of where every FPS goes by now. I'd advise you to try some TPS, it seems like Third-Person Shooters are less aimfocus-infested, or a different kind of FPS based less on aim but very strategy focused, if that's anything for you. Or alternatively, just stick to challenging yourself with the campaign and it's achievements if you don't yet have them all (that's what I do, less because of aim issues but simply because my internet connection makes me completely unable to play properly on multiplayer. As goes for aim, I have spent my fair share of time with CSGO and am pretty good in those terms, but nonetheless the aim -focus with all FPS nowadays is still noticable and the increase is utterly significant, especially over the course of the past 2-3 years, it's almost insane).

[Dr. Albert Meowsker]

That's what happens, when you don't have a ranked gamemode where all sweaty people can go.

Honestly, with this sudden revival of the game with ~30k players, things became only worse.
I remember playing when it was around 3-5k players and things were more or less fine and balanced.

Now every single match is one-sided trash. Either our team gets totaly destroyed (for example, just had a bounty hunt match, where our team was able to get around 100$ in total), or the opposite. It really sucks. Even if this game has some sort of balance, it doesn't work at all. Don't even tell me, that from 30k players, the game isn't able to find 10-12 players with the same skill level.

[Han]

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

Dreignir eredeti hozzászólása:

That link is outdated and dumb af, Spitfire is a S tier gun.And nowadays most of the online fps games are just competitive.And the fun fact is most of the people aren't even sweaty, people are just bad.They don't know what dpi is, they don't know grip styles and mice ergonomics, they don't know what is monitor hz and blaming the community for being sweaty. Online fps games (comp or not) are requires decent skill with decent equipment.It's all about getting crashed or dominating the enemy.Whichever online fps game you're playing you will always encounter with sweaty people.For more casual stuff maybe you should try singleplayer, or maybe try to get better at fps games.

Why do you bother answering to me if you clearly havent read what I wrote before this. Try to get better at FPS games..? Is the next step is ESEA/FACEIT on a high level because Global Elite isnt remotely enough?

Also you must be either young or fairly new to competitive gaming, because it was clearly not aight crushing people a decade ago. And I was the zoomer trying to be better than most people.

Casuals dont bother, they just turn up cod to play with a few friends after work, it's the majority of players and always will be, which is a good thing.

Pseudolukian eredeti hozzászólása:

I think you did, in fact, grow too old for comp shooters. Competitive games have always been about winning at any cost, whether it be simply using the best tactics/weapons in the game. Not everyone plays competitive games only 'for fun', but rather to win. This article explains it better than i can.[learntocounter.com]

Don't bash other players for being better than you at a game. That just makes you look like a tool.

Congratulations, I had that mentality when I was a teenager. If adults keep having this mindset, my condolences.

No idea how old you are, back about 10 years ago, people have been playing for fun and didn't follow a streamer or any guide for the best combination possible, because it was only a videogame.

Yeah you had your noob tube in MW2 or several akimbo setups but people clearly didnt abuse it to death.

If you were a good player in the first place, you'd come to this conclusion aswell and I'm not talking about the metaslaves exclusively, but the issue around matchmaking in general.

DivineLion eredeti hozzászólása:

comp games are still fun, especially siege, sounds like you just complain alot. maybe comp games are not just your thing anymore?

Siege is actually the only game I've spent roughly 50 hours into and I can agree that I wasn't willing to invest a lot of time into learning the maps. I dont how am I complaining a lot when infact this is the only thread you've seen me so far.

About competitive games not being my thing anymore is probably right. But people make it up like I'm bad in FPS games, when in reality I've accomplished my own goals I've made for these games and I see no reason to go beyond the highest skill group in these games? What would that be? ESEA? FACEIT?

Why are you talking like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 50 year old man,while you're only 26... Did you even check out my profile? Fairly new to comp games? My ass lol.And it was always about crushing/a.k.a. winning, it is either win or lose.Don't deceive yourself. Even the casuals have the spirit for winning.It was same about 10 years ago and it still goes on.Everyone expects to win and feel good.And hitting some ranks at certain games doesn't mean sh*t.I was a gm ow player, even at gm there were people who were playing like a sh*t.And you're whining after reaching a certain place? Adept and overcome if you can't don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ whine about it.

[Pseudolukian]

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

No idea how old you are, back about 10 years ago, people have been playing for fun and didn't follow a streamer or any guide for the best combination possible, because it was only a videogame.

I've played a minor amount of Counter-Strike 1.6 scrims and a lot of pub servers 10 years ago - there was virtually no difference in the two besides player amount, because everyone still used comp league tactics for certain maps and tried VERY hard to win. This could be a regional thing, however, since the country where i'm from, people are 90% more likely to take most games super seriously, even if it's a casual server.

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah you had your noob tube in MW2 or several akimbo setups but people clearly didnt abuse it to death.

You're right about this. I personally think people who play exclusively with only a single meta loadout and nothing else despite hundreds of hours sunk into the game, are lame one-trick ponies who clearly haven't bothered using their skills to hone their abilities with other weapons.

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

If you were a good player in the first place, you'd come to this conclusion aswell and I'm not talking about the metaslaves exclusively, but the issue around matchmaking in general.

Well, i don't disagree with you that games need some sort of matchmaking system to keep the more hardcore, experienced players away from casuals, but it'd damn well better be a good one, otherwise we'll have another Call of Duty "#RemoveSBMM" situation on our hands again.

[iza]

Pseudolukian eredeti hozzászólása:

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

No idea how old you are, back about 10 years ago, people have been playing for fun and didn't follow a streamer or any guide for the best combination possible, because it was only a videogame.

I've played a minor amount of Counter-Strike 1.6 scrims and a lot of pub servers 10 years ago - there was virtually no difference in the two besides player amount, because everyone still used comp league tactics for certain maps and tried VERY hard to win. This could be a regional thing, however, since the country where i'm from, people are 90% more likely to take most games super seriously, even if it's a casual server.

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah you had your noob tube in MW2 or several akimbo setups but people clearly didnt abuse it to death.

You're right about this. I personally think people who play exclusively with only a single meta loadout and nothing else despite hundreds of hours sunk into the game, are lame one-trick ponies who clearly haven't bothered using their skills to hone their abilities with other weapons.

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

If you were a good player in the first place, you'd come to this conclusion aswell and I'm not talking about the metaslaves exclusively, but the issue around matchmaking in general.

Well, i don't disagree with you that games need some sort of matchmaking system to keep the more hardcore, experienced players away from casuals, but it'd damn well better be a good one, otherwise we'll have another Call of Duty "#RemoveSBMM" situation on our hands again.

A cultural difference is actually very possible, I haven't thought about this. I would claim that east european countries or south american countries tend to have a higher engagement for competitive play. People back then DID use these plays during scrims, but this was.. a different approach to learning these tactics and actually trying to figure out good mechanics. However, it is different now and people just copy something from the get go, because these mechanics are explained in such a deep detail, that there is nothing else needed. Heck, even the ESL has these "explanations" between the breaks of "how to be a pro". This is very unhealthy and does not strengthen the skilllevel of said individuals.

OTPs are a serious issue compared to 10 years ago - granted in CS 1.6 or my game used to be Source, you had AWP/AK/M4/DEAGLE, with an exception of MP5/USP/GLOCK in whatever rounds you call them. Sure, you can be an AWP OTP, but this is completely different to for example "maining" a character in Apex with the same 1-2 weapons all game. (f. e. EVA-8 and R-99/R-301)

I'm glad you didn't take this part personally, because I clearly don't know if you're good in FPS or not, I should have written this one more carefully, I didn't want to attack you there.
Personally I am very conflicted with SBMM/PBMM (COD has Performance Based Match Making I believe) and I think this is a good think in rankeds obviously. However, in casual matches (especially in COD) I do not wish for such a system. A LOT of people play this game and whenever I play Call of Duty, I don't think about tryharding so bad.
In MW2/MW3/BO2/BO3 I used to play with music sometimes, I had different "builds" and weapons, like what attachments are good, or good for me personally, because i played the game differently. (I was rushing more than camping, which you can clearly tell from the screenshots I have uploaded) These matches weren't painfully one-sided or anything, it was just people messing around, sometimes insulted each other and shaking hands at the end. IN COD2019 I have to sweat my BUTT off to get a 2.0 K/D and it gets even worse. M4/MP5/7 meta (when I played) dominated everything else and the constant need to trying my hardest was just exhausting. I have to wait up to a minute for a "proper match", when it used to be 3 seconds, just to try so bad and I don't even care about winning or losing, but about my own performance.

I do not think that SB-/PBMM belongs into Call of Duty, but I understand the reasoning behind it.

[Pseudolukian]

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

snip

I've played more BO: Cold War than 2019, but i can tell you, some matches on release week felt like absolute hell to play, and at one point, i thought it was worse than MW2019. It seems like PBMM has toned down a little bit (my KD fluctuates around 1.42-1.5) but i still get the occasional hell game, and if i start getting many in a row, i just stop and go play something less frustrating.

BO2 had SBMM/PBMM to a certain extent but it only affected a small number of players and it was very light, too. When i play on the 360 on occasion and i'm not getting hacked lobbies, it always seems to be a mix of 4 average players and 2 players who are insanely good (usually, unfortunately, they only use the AN-94 and SCAR-H, but i've seen a handful with the SMR/FAL/SWAT-556).

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

I clearly don't know if you're good in FPS or not

I'm very average, but my skill fluctuates too. Some matches i'm "popping off" and gathering a lot of kills, some matches it feels like my hand either tries to track too hard and i miss my target or it locks up while i'm shooting someone and i can't compensate for recoil/flick/track.

It's something that has been lessening the more i play Q3A, though.

[ᄂΣVΣᄂ]

Battle royal (APEX) is full of cheese to give lesser skilled players the illusion theyre good, this is done via different tier loot. in TF2 everyone has the same health pool and access to the same guns. the better players wins.

hopefully arenas fixes this and offers a more competitive experience free from rng.

[iza]

Pseudolukian eredeti hozzászólása:

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

snip

I've played more BO: Cold War than 2019, but i can tell you, some matches on release week felt like absolute hell to play, and at one point, i thought it was worse than MW2019. It seems like PBMM has toned down a little bit (my KD fluctuates around 1.42-1.5) but i still get the occasional hell game, and if i start getting many in a row, i just stop and go play something less frustrating.

BO2 had SBMM/PBMM to a certain extent but it only affected a small number of players and it was very light, too. When i play on the 360 on occasion and i'm not getting hacked lobbies, it always seems to be a mix of 4 average players and 2 players who are insanely good (usually, unfortunately, they only use the AN-94 and SCAR-H, but i've seen a handful with the SMR/FAL/SWAT-556).

iza eredeti hozzászólása:

I clearly don't know if you're good in FPS or not

I'm very average, but my skill fluctuates too. Some matches i'm "popping off" and gathering a lot of kills, some matches it feels like my hand either tries to track too hard and i miss my target or it locks up while i'm shooting someone and i can't compensate for recoil/flick/track.

It's something that has been lessening the more i play Q3A, though.

I remember BO2/3 having SBMM/PBMM but I didn't feel like it affected me hard. I was still having fun. I actually thought the AN-94 was underused back then, but in the hands of a good player it can be nasty.

BO:CW was the first COD I did not purchase on day 1 and still didn't. I played the beta, first match was a blast and the next matched I was almost getting blasted and had to sweat hard again and decided to just let it be. If you have fun at playing the game overall, go ahead, the game is supposed to be fun.

I wouldn't say you're really average, since if you claim to be around 1.42-1.5, this is actually above average, but not exorbitant insane. You can't really measure it anyways because you have this kind of matchmaking, you don't know if you're good or everyone has gotten improved and it is kind of obvious to figure that out if you need up to 30 seconds to find a "suitable" match, although MILLIONS are playing the game.

[ᄂΣVΣᄂ]

Revolver "Shalashaska" Ocelot eredeti hozzászólása:

That's what happens, when you don't have a ranked gamemode where all sweaty people can go.

Honestly, with this sudden revival of the game with ~30k players, things became only worse.
I remember playing when it was around 3-5k players and things were more or less fine and balanced.

Now every single match is one-sided trash. Either our team gets totaly destroyed (for example, just had a bounty hunt match, where our team was able to get around 100$ in total), or the opposite. It really sucks. Even if this game has some sort of balance, it doesn't work at all. Don't even tell me, that from 30k players, the game isn't able to find 10-12 players with the same skill level.

or a non team mode. i dont know why every FPS game has to be team based, is it to teach us to work well collaboratively in out slave jobs or to crush individuality? who knows maybe ive smoked to much herbal tea