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TrumpYoRump 2020 年 9 月 4 日 下午 12:45
This game will not last, but that's OK
For starters, I've never played the original Titanfall and completely forgot about the 2nd one until it popped up on steam sale. I gave it a shot because why not, it was only like 10 bucks. To my surprise I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Campaign was fun. Nothing amazing but a good time waster with decent characters.

Multiplayer though is my favorite thing about this game. I haven't tried co op yet but even just playing multiple rounds of attrition is addictive and the movement and gameplay loop is very fun. I really didn't notice the "low" player count. I guess it's because I've played other games that their respective communities like to say are "dead" all the time (Insurgency, Rising Storm, etc.) The fact that this game is 4 years old at this point with a couple thousand playing each day is still fairly good considering the games launch.

I don't know maybe it's just me, but looking at the discussion boards for these kind of games is such a drag. All it is is people complaining about how unbalanced the game is, and how the game is dead. As a fairly new player I just don't care about half the stuff people love to complain about, maybe it's just because I put a blind eye to it but it doesn't bother me really.

It seems that the people who love this game are the ones who complain about it the most and spouting that the game is dead constantly. Rampant toxicity in chat like "lmao ♥♥♥♥♥♥ using a Spitfire" I think is partly the reason why new people put this game down after the steam sale, also in part with the fair learning curve it takes to adapt to how fast everything moves.

I dunno what I'm trying to get at here. I guess all I'm saying is that we should enjoy the game while it lasts. I think people need to accept the fact that multiplayer games do not last forever, but it's the experience that mattered. Repeating the same dialogue will not make new players join, it will only make them leave. At the very least I want to say that these kind of games had a great community (although I can't make a good argument for this one).

If a Titanfall 3 ever comes out, I would gladly buy it.
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Astellan 2020 年 9 月 4 日 下午 12:58 
Forums generally attracts the people who like the game the most. Majority of players never go onto forums and reddit. The people that scream about Imbal would be screaming no matter what. Most of the people who leave, just looking at the comments and how many are the same people, indicates that very few people use the forums.

esturias (已封禁) 2020 年 9 月 4 日 下午 1:15 
引用自 TrumpYoRump
I guess all I'm saying is that we should enjoy the game while it lasts.
Yupp, that's it. It's still fun to hop in for a few matches.
And as long as that is possible, meaning that there are enough players to play with, we can have fun with the game.

It seems that the people who love this game are the ones who complain about it the most and spouting that the game is dead constantly.
Those are more likely trolls or other kinds of dumb brats. They eve start new threads or revive old ones only to tell everyone that the game is losing players.

Rampant toxicity in chat [...] I think is partly the reason why new people put this game down after the steam sale, also in part with the fair learning curve it takes to adapt to how fast everything moves.
There is minor toxicity in the chat, but that won't make normal players quit. You have to keep in mind that the game gets praised for the storymode, so there are many players who just play that and leave.
Apart from that, the lack of a proper matchmaking, the bad gamebalance and several other issues are what drives players away rather fast. And that will never change.




Sterling 2020 年 9 月 4 日 下午 1:58 
I think a good part of the issue is being late to the party. I played PvP with some lads a couple minutes back for maybe an hour while basically everything before that is campaign and frontier defense. I had to hold back a lot of complaining and even then I still complained a lot. I'd turn a corner and get killed by some dude with the Kraber, only to realize he did that not by lining up a shot after seeing me coming from somewhere, but just noticing me touch his field of view and then doing a rocket flick upwards to hit me precisely where I was before I could even get a shot on him. Then that kind of experience gets repeated with a bunch of players who've played the game for God knows how much time to get to G20+ while I am G6 from frontier defense alone, so I have no experience killing pilots.

Now, my problem isn't "I suck at the game and blame people" or "I can't kill anyone and get pissed off", because I can kill people and can pull off some stuff that is more unconventional, while the same stuff gets pulled on me. My problem lies in getting thrown in a match, as someone who basically never played PvP in this game, with people who basically lived and breathed the game's PvP. It's not an even remotely favorable learning ground for a new player and I don't feel like I should be going in and getting crushed over and over until I stop getting crushed, because I don't feel like I'm learning anything aside how to die in several different ways to people who quickscope a sniper rifle on me within a fraction of a second, if the magnetic melee doesn't get me first because some hits decided to not register. Also today, several times getting a hitmarker and the guy's health staying full. Also today, shot a guy with the DMR mid-air twice, a hitscan weapon, clearly with the crosshair on his body while he was in a predictable trajectory, and it didn't register at all. I missed a lot of shots in these matches, but those two times were utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Anyway, the point: getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over and over snowballs into a defeatist and paranoid mentality where there comes a point where every death is frustrating and feeling like the player was just "this close" from winning the 1v1. I know I won't come back today, tomorrow or anytime after tomorrow and magically find a group of players newer to the game to have a less sweaty match, so this snowball will keep happening time after time and I will end up saying "yeah, maybe I should stick to co-op, where the AI doesn't cheat and deaths are entirely my fault".
Sterling 2020 年 9 月 4 日 下午 2:54 
引用自 Shazbot!
引用自 Sterling
late to the party
Why do you always keep coming with these shitty excuses? not you in particular Do you think playing with other new players would help you to get better? Did killing AI in frontier defense help you to get better? Why would you think killing wannabe CoD players will help you to get better? This is why i make fun of attrtion players whenever i can, they're as good as random grunts because they basically played only against grunts. no idea if this post makes sense tbh, i'm too tired :\
And here's the sweat I'm talking about. No further comments on my part.
Metalshock 2020 年 9 月 4 日 下午 2:54 
引用自 Shazbot!
Did killing AI in frontier defense help you to get better?

It's done that for a few people, myself included, because believe it or not, Frontier Defense isn't as simple as "killing mindless bots."

Each difficulty level adds more than just health and damage output. Mortar Titans (which don't just mindless march, rather sit in a spot and attacking the core objective from a distance) don't appear in easy. In hard, enemy titans (except Nuke titans) will move to avoid a Nuke Eject or your incoming Titanfall the best they can. Stalkers also get EPGs which means stopping for a second because "They're just AI" gets you instantly killed.

Am I a master pilot? No, I gave the Master Mode of FD a try and promptly got overwhelmed, forget about trying the Insane difficulty. But as time went on, I got better, and pushed myself to move harder, smarter. I can rebuild my Titan now while destroying an enemy titan in less than a minute on Hard now because I improved.

I'm not going to come with excuses of being late to the party. I technically was, buying the game in 2017 but not actually playing the thing until just before it arrived on steam. I just learned to play better, rather than complain about being worse than everyone else.

Either way, I still find the argument that "The PvP is completely worthless so the whole multiplayer mode should be tossed" or "The game is awesome git gud scrub" to be pointless as neither of these actually help people decide if the game is for them or not.

If you're not sure, but have the game for the campaign... try it. Try both FD and the PvP modes. Then decide for yourself if the game is worth your time to keep playing or not. Don't decide based on what others insist you should think.
esturias (已封禁) 2020 年 9 月 4 日 下午 11:38 
引用自 Shazbot!
Why do you always keep coming with these shitty excuses?
Because it still isn't a bad excuse but a real issue. People explained it to you multiple times now, but you always have the fanboy mode switched on when reading these kinds of threads.
Metalshock 2020 年 9 月 5 日 上午 1:10 
引用自 Shazbot!
Oh you tell me.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1237970/discussions/0/4622335767023503846/#c4622335767025024123

And? There's nutjobs who've managed to beat Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild in 20 minutes with a stick. Just because it's possible to solo something, doesn't make it "easy" or "bad for learning."
Metalshock 2020 年 9 月 5 日 上午 1:32 
引用自 Shazbot!
引用自 Metalshock
And?
That's supposed to prove that know what i'm talking about. Killing hordes of titans walking in straight line won't help you get better at fighting other players on titans at all.

And prove you didn't listen to the paragrapshs that I typed out.

You did it, I guess? I have no proof you did, but I'm willing to believe you. what you've said here, says that Your achievement, working your behind off to beat it on Master or even Insane in Solo, might as well have been sitting there twittling your thumbs for how hard it was.

You're underselling yourself, if that is truly the case. because if you did anything you can't do if you want to live, like... stop. take a breather. moved an inch out of step... you'd have died. and lost. a lot.

Edit: I missed when you said fighting other Pilots. And that, in a vaccum, may be true. You won't learn how to kill enemy Pilots. you'll learn to Survive. You'll learn to not be in one place long enough to be shot, and even how some of the Titan on Titan interactions work out. you'll learn how your movement chains together to make you faster, and fight better in general. once you've learned that, you'll be able to live long enough to learn how to fight other pilots, instead of being shot every time you respawn.
最后由 Metalshock 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 5 日 上午 1:38
esturias (已封禁) 2020 年 9 月 5 日 上午 1:57 
引用自 Shazbot!
Telling this multiple time doesn't automatically make it correct.
That's true, but that also is the case for your own claims. You just keep repeating the same nonsense and claim it to be the law. The difference is that people who argue against you come with facts and objectivity, while you resort to nothing but stereotypical fanboy defenses.

I kept this stance as long as i remember myself, and not just about videogames.
That's sad to hear, because that attitude keeps you from being open-minded.



引用自 Shazbot!
That's supposed to prove that know what i'm talking about. Killing hordes of titans walking in straight line won't help you get better at fighting other players on titans at all.
So, what you are claiming here is that the hundreds of hours that footballers and other sports people do before an actual match are completely pointless and have no benefit at all?
Metalshock 2020 年 9 月 5 日 上午 2:02 
引用自 Shazbot!
引用自 Metalshock
one place long enough to be shot
Fun fact: this is the meta strategy for first infantry-only wave on almost all maps. You're supposed kill faster than they kill you.

I'm done with this conversation. You are taking single points, ignoring the rest of the information in my side of this "Debate" and confirming that means I'm entirely wrong. You're not listening. that is all.
Astellan 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 11:38 
引用自 Metalshock
引用自 Shazbot!
Oh you tell me.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1237970/discussions/0/4622335767023503846/#c4622335767025024123

And? There's nutjobs who've managed to beat Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild in 20 minutes with a stick. Just because it's possible to solo something, doesn't make it "easy" or "bad for learning."

He did not solo it because he is good. Once a Ronin gets double phase dash via Aegis there is an exploit. Pop phase dash twice and the AI can no longer see you. The reason he soloed Fort Kodai is the AI charges down the center in the first wave. Second wave he gets his Ronin, double phase dashes, becomes invisible to the AI. and kills them without getting hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Tk8KlTI-4

This exploit is still going today. This is why many do not use Ronin's in FD. They are broken.
最后由 Astellan 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 6 日 上午 11:39
Astellan 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 2:20 
引用自 Shazbot!
引用自 Astellan
He did not solo it because he is good. Once a Ronin gets double phase dash via Aegis there is an exploit. Pop phase dash twice and the AI can no longer see you. The reason he soloed Fort Kodai is the AI charges down the center in the first wave. Second wave he gets his Ronin, double phase dashes, becomes invisible to the AI. and kills them without getting hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Tk8KlTI-4

This exploit is still going today. This is why many do not use Ronin's in FD. They are broken.
If only staying alive was the main problem, lmao. Plus the point of this was to prove that i know what i was talking about and have considerable amount of experience in related activity, so, guess what, ♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's so easy, right? You can repeat that for sure, right?

No the point of this was claim you are a good player. Knowing an Exploit that has been around for years does't make you a good player. You and I both know your garbage. It still kills you that you're easy to bamboozle. Your the same guy who thinks Particle Wall is bad and yet you can't beat a Tone with a Ronin...

So, you're trying to say its hard to beat Master mode on Forward base Kodai when all the mobs will run right past you on their way to the harvester? A Full ranked Ronin will slaughter everything in its path. Especially since you have the speed and the mob density to keep up Sword core.

Anyone with an Aegis 7+ Ronin can solo Master Mode Kodai. If you had posted this on R/Titanfall they would laugh you out of the sub. You only post this non-sense here because players are new and you want to feel like your not a scrub.

最后由 Astellan 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 2:25
Astellan 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 4:17 
引用自 Shazbot!
引用自 Astellan
you can't beat a Tone with a Ronin...
... what? Will you ever stop making shit up?
引用自 Astellan
mob density
引用自 Astellan
Kodai
what the fuck are you on, retard?
引用自 Astellan
If you had posted this on R/Titanfall
holy shit what a a metric
anyway, post screenshot of you doing this or shut the fuck up

So, I need to go back in time and print screen. You're getting mad because you know you lost. You know you suck and all you can do is talk nonsense.

Here is a dude crushing Rise on Insane using the exploit. Its not impressive killing AI that cannot fight back with a Titan that is playing whirling dervish. The amount of DPS that the Ronin pumps out is bonkers. You try to act like you are profound but you aren't. You are that nerd at gaming stores that tries to impress all the young kids with your mediocrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjswtveGdQ8


Here's wrecking Forward Base Kodai on insane without the exploit. SO, yes, you are a scrub. A good Ronin player with a maxed out Aegis Ronin can rule any mode. If they want easy mode, he does two phase dashes back to back and it is a wrap. The reason you aren't on reddit but here is because the majority of people here are new. It allows you to act like your some great player, where you berate new players while proclaiming yourself good. I have never played with Metalshock but I am willing to bet he is better than you.

https://youtu.be/5ZfQ5XowHqA


Who are you? You are a scrub. The reality of FD is if you have a half decent ronin player with a 7+ Aegis Ronin, the other three Titans can be whatever they want because the Ronin should kill everything on the map. IF he wants to take zero damage, the other three players can just mop up the Arc titans and let the Ronin slaughter the map.

最后由 Astellan 编辑于; 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 6:27
Sterling 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 6:03 
引用自 Shazbot!
引用自 Astellan
He did not solo it because he is good. Once a Ronin gets double phase dash via Aegis there is an exploit. Pop phase dash twice and the AI can no longer see you. The reason he soloed Fort Kodai is the AI charges down the center in the first wave. Second wave he gets his Ronin, double phase dashes, becomes invisible to the AI. and kills them without getting hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Tk8KlTI-4

This exploit is still going today. This is why many do not use Ronin's in FD. They are broken.
If only staying alive was the main problem, lmao. Plus the point of this was to prove that i know what i was talking about and have considerable amount of experience in related activity, so, guess what, ♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's so easy, right? You can repeat that for sure, right?
Did you use the phase dash exploit or not?
Astellan 2020 年 9 月 6 日 下午 6:25 
引用自 Sterling
引用自 Shazbot!
If only staying alive was the main problem, lmao. Plus the point of this was to prove that i know what i was talking about and have considerable amount of experience in related activity, so, guess what, ♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's so easy, right? You can repeat that for sure, right?
Did you use the phase dash exploit or not?


He did. He stated it in another thread. He called it a "feature".
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