The higher levels will kill this game

[Mailstorm]

Seriously, quit pup stomping. I understand you want to have fun and it might be hard to not be good but its incredible frustrating to go up against people that are just flat out better than you. I already don't want to play pvp because I just die 10 times before getting a titan.

And no, I'm not terri-bad. I'm usually top 3. If I'm not top three I'm at the bottom because the other team is filled with >50 Gens. And also no, playing against people why above your skill rating doesn't make you better at a game.

EDIT: I didn't expect much from steam forums, but a lot of you have an elitist attitude. To address points:

> "Playing with people higher than your skill level does make you better"
>> I agree. However, that's not what I said. I said playing with people way ABOVE your skill rating. Take it like learning a new skill such as kick boxing. If you go in and face the regional champ and you've been training for only 2 weeks... it isn't going to be fun. You'll get your ♥♥♥ handed to you. You don't learn anything from the fight because there was no time to do on the fly adaption (which is some peoples main method of learning). Sure you can re-watch, but not everyone can record their games and re-watch however many hours they recorded.

This can also be like playing Bronze vs GM, you'll lose to fast before you learn what the other team even did to win.

>"If you're top three why are you complaining"
>> Probably worded wrongly. Top three...on my team. I might be top three on my team but the enemy teams lowest player doubles my score.

>git gud / l2p
>> I do get better when I can leave spawn and get somewhere. But this post is mostly about vets that know the spawn locations and how to take advantage of the map.

> "Take advice from vets"
>> Literally the only advice given is: "This is a vertical game. Wall run.", "Have you played the campaign?", "Just use <thing you literally don't have yet>"

EDIT 2:

Also, I understand you can't auto-magically know who you're playing. But maybe if you notice the levels you are killing and your score is triple that of the other team, maybe sweat less hard. If that's not an option, just do meme strats. I know that in every FPS game ever made, there is a way to handicap yourself.

[Stabiler Afghane]

Rupert a écrit :

What has killed gaming is the effect that COD and BF had on the youth. Back in the day PC games were hard and to get any where meant you had to do your time as a scrub and git gud. That meant getting owned over and over agin until you could master the strafe and aim.

100% Retarded and stupid argument letting me to believe you never played in the golden age of multiplayer. I will put it simply: In the early days, people had more then enough ways to play with the people they wanted to and against the people they wanted. Noob? There are a million "noobs only". Someone isnt a noob and lied? VOTEKICK. You wanted to play against good players? No problem, more then enough options. Be it either just casual pro-servers or ESL. Whatever tickles your fancy. NOBODY. And i repeat NOBODY ever had to deal with "get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by the matchmaker over and over and over and over and over again until you git gud". Its simply a lie and stupid. And thats why all the arguments of people like you fall like a house of cards on the roof of the empire state building.

1. Yes, the bad matchmaking not putting fair games together will force everyone new out again.
2. Its arrogant and shortsighted to believe the good players have the right to stomp new players, where as new players dont have the right to play normal matches. Its like saying i dont have the right to play chess with my roommate without waiting for the world champion to ring at my door and stomp me beforehand.


So there is that. Having to deal with such crap is the result of automated matchmakers. In any server-browser based game of old, you would have been kicked from the noob-only match, rightfully so. But no, its "toxic" nowadays to demand a normal match. Pff, yeah right.

[Niall]

That's the problem...where have all the server browsers gone. You could choose a server and be playing within seconds. Now you could be in a lobby for 5 minutes.

[Stabiler Afghane]

Rupert a écrit :

That's the problem...where have all the server browsers gone. You could choose a server and be playing within seconds. Now you could be in a lobby for 5 minutes.

Yes, exactly like i said. People curated themselfs "a long time ago" and the concept of stomping noobs in anything without choice (choise is the important word here) wasnt a think to deal with. You votekicked them from the server, be done with it. A matchmaker isnt just there to find a match. It exists to find a fair match, which isnt the case here.

[🎇TYPHOON🎇]

"The higher levels will kill this game"

Hahahahahhahahahahaha.

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HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHH!

[Coldzero]

You are in my sights.....I cant tell what level you are at that point....at that point it doesnt matter and if I dont shoot you then you will shoot me.

Its the game, you will get better. We have all been where you are - eventually like all in life you learn and get better. I think perhaps the Sims 4 may be a better alternative for you if not.

[Grimreefer101]

All I read here is salt and I don't even own this game yet!

typical l2p post....

[Chili Dogs]

sidewinder_G a écrit :

No.

I am not gonna dial it down for you. Not how it goes.

You wanted in, you should had jumped on the game 4 years ago. Since you haven't already spent the bag of chips and a coke it would had cost you to get the game, you have to take the stomping.

Also, when you hitch a ride on a titan, their shields also protect you.

EA had their own launcher, and an EA studio made the game, wtf did you expect?
All of us veterans said "♥♥♥♥ it" and bought it where it landed, claiming that as an excuse is basically ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, especially since buying it here on Steam, YOU STILL LAUNCH IT THROUGH ORIGIN.

Stabiler Afghane a écrit :

A matchmaker isnt just there to find a match. It exists to find a fair match, which isnt the case here.

A matchmaker is exactly what is says, it MAKES MATCHES, there is no fine print in that that explicitly states it has to be skill based. If you can't handle getting your ♥♥♥♥ pushed in in a online competitive game without 20 matches against noobs/bots or some kind of noob playlist then maybe you should play through the campaign, or play Frontier Defense for a bit and LEARN. Stop acting like the game is out to get you, use your damn head and find ways to get better.

I just came back to the game thanks to the boom of players after like 2 years of not touching it once and I am rusty as hell and getting wrecked left and right, but I am having a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ blast doing it.

[Stabiler Afghane]

KLS XERO a écrit :

sidewinder_G a écrit :

No.

I am not gonna dial it down for you. Not how it goes.

You wanted in, you should had jumped on the game 4 years ago. Since you haven't already spent the bag of chips and a coke it would had cost you to get the game, you have to take the stomping.

Also, when you hitch a ride on a titan, their shields also protect you.

EA had their own launcher, and an EA studio made the game, wtf did you expect?
All of us veterans said "♥♥♥♥ it" and bought it where it landed, claiming that as an excuse is basically ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, especially since buying it here on Steam, YOU STILL LAUNCH IT THROUGH ORIGIN.

Stabiler Afghane a écrit :

A matchmaker isnt just there to find a match. It exists to find a fair match, which isnt the case here.

A matchmaker is exactly what is says, it MAKES MATCHES, there is no fine print in that that explicitly states it has to be skill based.

But it should, 100% of the time. You cant simply take away the ability from people to curate their experience. By god, Dawn of War 1 had an Automatch-Feature that was Skillbased coupled with an open "server-browser" for everyone else. And that was the norm for many years. Not to mention that nearly every dev talking about matchmakers always say that finding fair matches is a priority if the game demands it. Yes, there are games that dont need skillbased matchmaking like Battlefield or any Battle Royal. But any small 6v6 game? It sure as hell needs it and cant convince me otherwise. Seeing it any other way just screams to me that someone wants it to stay that way to compensate for a small package in his pants because other then spite, not supporting fair matches is sick.

[Chili Dogs]

Stabiler Afghane a écrit :

KLS XERO a écrit :

EA had their own launcher, and an EA studio made the game, wtf did you expect?
All of us veterans said "♥♥♥♥ it" and bought it where it landed, claiming that as an excuse is basically ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, especially since buying it here on Steam, YOU STILL LAUNCH IT THROUGH ORIGIN.



A matchmaker is exactly what is says, it MAKES MATCHES, there is no fine print in that that explicitly states it has to be skill based.

But it should, 100% of the time. You cant simply take away the ability from people to curate their experience. By god, Dawn of War 1 had an Automatch-Feature that was Skillbased coupled with an open "server-browser" for everyone else. And that was the norm for many years. Not to mention that nearly every dev talking about matchmakers always say that finding fair matches is a priority if the game demands it. Yes, there are games that dont need skillbased matchmaking like Battlefield or any Battle Royal. But any small 6v6 game? It sure as hell needs it and cant convince me otherwise. Seeing it any other way just screams to me that someone wants it to stay that way to compensate for a small package in his pants because other then spite, not supporting fair matches is sick.

Obviously you don't listen to reason, ideas or general advice, you just wanna cry. Good luck man. You're gonna need it. also, lol at you're childish sense of people enjoying what's here in the game as "having a small ♥♥♥♥". 🤣

we are for sure gonna take you seriously now.

[Ludicrous_Speed]

Stabiler Afghane a écrit :

Rupert a écrit :

What has killed gaming is the effect that COD and BF had on the youth. Back in the day PC games were hard and to get any where meant you had to do your time as a scrub and git gud. That meant getting owned over and over agin until you could master the strafe and aim.

100% Retarded and stupid argument letting me to believe you never played in the golden age of multiplayer. I will put it simply: In the early days, people had more then enough ways to play with the people they wanted to and against the people they wanted. Noob? There are a million "noobs only". Someone isnt a noob and lied? VOTEKICK. You wanted to play against good players? No problem, more then enough options. Be it either just casual pro-servers or ESL. Whatever tickles your fancy. NOBODY. And i repeat NOBODY ever had to deal with "get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by the matchmaker over and over and over and over and over again until you git gud". Its simply a lie and stupid. And thats why all the arguments of people like you fall like a house of cards on the roof of the empire state building.

1. Yes, the bad matchmaking not putting fair games together will force everyone new out again.
2. Its arrogant and shortsighted to believe the good players have the right to stomp new players, where as new players dont have the right to play normal matches. Its like saying i dont have the right to play chess with my roommate without waiting for the world champion to ring at my door and stomp me beforehand.


So there is that. Having to deal with such crap is the result of automated matchmakers. In any server-browser based game of old, you would have been kicked from the noob-only match, rightfully so. But no, its "toxic" nowadays to demand a normal match. Pff, yeah right.

The simple reality was that there was never enough players to really justify picking and choosing servers to play on. Even if it did exist, you'd have no choice but picking the one or two servers that were actually populated, and they don't work on the game anymore now that there is a better reason. That being said, private matches exist for a reason and it's entirely possible to get the "noob only server" experience. The problem is that it requires people to go out of their way to find players, and unless it's as simple as looking for a "noob only" server in a browser no one is going to bother doing it.

So sure, it would be better to have a server browser, but acting like it's impossible to get into the game or have a normal match is just false, it just requires some effort on your part. If you just want to casually get home from work and jump into the game, sure you'll have a hard time. If not being able to get better is your concern, there are plenty of guides and, again, the private server option. I got two friends to buy this game and they haven't even touched public matches yet, I threw them into a private match and nailed as much basic information on the game as I could into their heads, as well as taught them things like slide hopping and grapple slingshotting. Then I threw them into Frontier Defense to practice against more enemies than just myself.

Once you get the basics down and learn of certain strats like slidehopping it isn't impossible to one up experienced players, especially with the TTK being so quick. Fancy movement and a couple gadgets isn't going to always save you, at the end of the day good aim and positioning are king and it isn't hard to learn either. In fact there's been memes floating around about new players being surprisingly good at the game just because it's easy for experience in other shooters to carry over to this, the only real alien parts of the game are it's movement (which is built in a way that it's super easy to use) and the pilot/titan dynamic.

[Chims]

The higher levels kept the game alive 2 years after it was late-term aborted onto origin.

People were making threads like this regularly the first week of launch. Get good or stop playing.

[X-oR.Belgium...]

i'm generation 5 in the game ( 5X level 100) , and i was never really good in the infantery gameplay , really better with my Titan :-)

I just try to do my best ,not die too much for not giving too much point (attrition mode) and don't rush because i'm not really Good in move like i see crazy people do it ... in the end , even if i'm never in the top player , i do my work and enjoy it .

pretty sure the scoreboard are not really important , because it don't count how many dead you are ( so how many points you give) .

[Aphi the Clown]

I think op is just frustrated with the leveling system like I am.
He's probably projecting his anger at the wrong direction.
Since the game has been out for ages now, and only released on steam few days ago, we can't hope to change the leveling system without disrespecting the veteran players.
So, it's honestly a tough call on whether new players should play multiplayer at all or not.
The only thing that is not PvP (not pilot v pilot) is PvE content. The Frontier Defense game mode, where you fight along people.

Edit: Leveling system as in Weapon progression / Kit progression.

[Midnight Sky ✨🌙✨]

KevinBot a écrit :

I think op is just frustrated with the leveling system like I am.
He's probably projecting his anger at the wrong direction.

"Op, I know you better than you do and this is really why you're mad"

Not everyone is going to have the same issues with the game as you. I started playing years late when there was barely anything except veteran players and at no point did I think to myself "wow, it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that they have all these toys to play with when all I have is this deadly accurate SMG"

Even if op just had everything, you'd still get crushed because the gear only takes you so far, it's years of developed skill that's leading to these pup stomps. And I know this because I unlocked everything and still can get stomped.

[Shrinkshooter]

Stabiler Afghane a écrit :

But it should, 100% of the time.

As I said in my comment to you a day or two ago that you ignored, no, it shouldn't. There, discussion over. It's our opinion versus yours. Problem is, our opinion is the way things are now, and I know for sure that isn't going to change, so you're just fruitlessly barking up the wrong tree and whining in every thread that comes close to giving you an excuse to talk about this.

Now sure, you can lament the removal of dedicated servers and a server browser as a norm, that's a valid point. Blame whomever you like for making that standard, or Respawn for not putting them in, or EA for not agreeing to support that infrastructure. But under no circumstances do I want some automated algorithm curating who I am and am not allowed to play against based on whatever flawed reasoning it uses to justify our "skill levels." Ping level and game mode are all that needs to be considered.

You cant simply take away the ability from people to curate their experience.

But they did. And the solution to your problem is to give that back, NOT TO HAVE A SYSTEM AUTOMAGICALLY DO IT FOR YOU. Understand the distinction here? SBMM is cancer, and you utterly miss your mark with your claim for a "fix".