"Don't play the fan made patch" (patch 1.13)

[Turbo Nozomix]

I haven't even progressed far into this game, so when I get an Android tablet I'll have good cause to re-engage it - but I'm unsure if the 1.13 patch will be compatible. Having fielded that question to a someone, I was told this:

Don't play the fan made patch
It's unstable and unbalanced and buggy
The vanilla game was perfectly timed
The fan base patch is garbage by comparison
Lost track of what made the game so repayable and fun
It's not a Bethesda game. The debs knew what they were doing. There is no need for mods

I'm interested to hear what others' opinions of those statements are.

[Someone64]

Play sevenfm's "experiemental" (probably more stable) version that has fixes of the latest trunk, adds very advanced ai, some of its own small features, and a lack of a lot of the features the trunk version has. Also, a lot of the features of the trunk version can be adjusted and disabled through the ini file anyway.

[Timbermaw]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Someone64:

Play sevenfm's "experiemental" (probably more stable) version that has fixes of the latest trunk, adds very advanced ai, some of its own small features, and a lack of a lot of the features the trunk version has. Also, a lot of the features of the trunk version can be adjusted and disabled through the ini file anyway.

+1 i need to try sevenfm's changes on my next playthrough

[Scrubwave]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Someone64:

Play sevenfm's "experiemental" (probably more stable) version that has fixes of the latest trunk, adds very advanced ai, some of its own small features, and a lack of a lot of the features the trunk version has. Also, a lot of the features of the trunk version can be adjusted and disabled through the ini file anyway.

Tell me about the improved AI.

[Icegrin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Scrubwave:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Someone64:

Play sevenfm's "experiemental" (probably more stable) version that has fixes of the latest trunk, adds very advanced ai, some of its own small features, and a lack of a lot of the features the trunk version has. Also, a lot of the features of the trunk version can be adjusted and disabled through the ini file anyway.

Tell me about the improved AI.

Here's his description of the AI mod, only use this on the stable 7609 release of 1.13, not Depri's Single Click Installer and such:
http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=21864&goto=347454&#msg_347454

[Ryan]

For fans of 1.12 and the original gameplay, there was a new stable version of Stracciatella released last month. I've only been playing it a few days but so far, I'm really impressed. For those that don't know, Stracciatella mod is aimed purely at stability and bug fixes. It does include additional resolutions and also now Dead is Dead (DiD) mode which is basically ironman mode without the ability to reload sectors. I used to enforce this on myself, now I don't have to.

[Furry Slurry]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Turbo Nozomix:

I haven't even progressed far into this game, so when I get an Android tablet I'll have good cause to re-engage it - but I'm unsure if the 1.13 patch will be compatible. Having fielded that question to a someone, I was told this:

Don't play the fan made patch
It's unstable and unbalanced and buggy
The vanilla game was perfectly timed
The fan base patch is garbage by comparison
Lost track of what made the game so repayable and fun
It's not a Bethesda game. The debs knew what they were doing. There is no need for mods

I'm interested to hear what others' opinions of those statements are.

im sorry but you are wrong pls dont be bias and pls leave because that patch is very very poplulor

[Turbo Nozomix]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von FurrySlurry (the sergal king):

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Turbo Nozomix:

I haven't even progressed far into this game, so when I get an Android tablet I'll have good cause to re-engage it - but I'm unsure if the 1.13 patch will be compatible. Having fielded that question to a someone, I was told this:

I'm interested to hear what others' opinions of those statements are.

im sorry but you are wrong pls dont be bias and pls leave because that patch is very very poplulor

How is a person biased by asking a question they want to know the answer to? I think it seems biased to tell someone to not ask questions about a subject.

[Kommandantwolf]

well anyway ladies all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ aside, i been playing this game since 2007 and the 1.13 patch IS A MUST, its stable to play, just MP was abit unstable but we still had some games ...

IF somoene gave 1.13 a complete retexture, better character models, unique ones at that etc how great would it be??? it would ADD SO MUCH to it if not COMPLETE 1.13.

I love it how u can call mortars in from sectors with ur militia and build fortifications now :D

[Kmordain]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Turbo Nozomix:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von FurrySlurry (the sergal king):

im sorry but you are wrong pls dont be bias and pls leave because that patch is very very poplulor

How is a person biased by asking a question they want to know the answer to? I think it seems biased to tell someone to not ask questions about a subject.

You're right that's not biased. I'm biased though, and I can set a few records straight...

One of the founding principles of the mod was to avoid forcing anything on anyone and to allow for as close to a complete vanilla game as possible. Even early on, we all realized that JA2 fans were passionate about it and everyone wanted their own features in the game. When you throw together an international development team of hardcore fans feature creep is to be expected.

And yes, if you've seen the original source code, you would know that you absolutely HAVE to be a hardcore fan to even want to look at it, much less turn it into what it is today.

It can be complicated to setup and configure, and definitely not recommended for the faint of heart or the brand new player, it can absolutely turn you off of JA2 if you don't have a basis of experience. But it has helped keep this game alive for almost 2 decades.

SirTech was an amazing development studio that didn't get half the recognition they deserved. They created living, breathing virtual worlds unlike any other development studio of their era and we can thank them for the foundation that the Skyrims of today are built upon.

So yeah, 1.13 is probably not for everyone but for the most part, it did stay true it's original intent. The biggest problem I had with its development was the moving target it provided for modders and the lack of a feature-lock option for them so they could balance around the core mod and lock feature settings in place that couldn't be changed in their mod.

It also posed the same problem (moving target) for developers like myself who just didn't have the time to keep up with everyone elses code. So code-wide changes like feature locks became very complicated messes to try and make happen.

I got the features I wanted in, so in the end, who am I to say slow down on getting your features in?

[Drifter]

I remember looking at it a decade ago. It's become a project which is of more interest to the developers and the community that follows it closely.

JA2 was a very finely balanced game, and I'm not sure the 1.13 have any real understanding of what it takes to make that so.

It's ironic, the reason they are fans is because of that well tuned balance. Now they've made this mod which really has lost all sight of what it was trying to achieve.

Anything and everything has been thrown in there, and it has completely stuffed the game.

There's a saying - 'less is more', and it's not unusual for community driven projects to degenerate like this.

Stracciatella is very good. Just updates the game with high res, nice and stable.

It's a shame as some minor tweaking to AI etc could really improve the game, but it requires restraint from people retouching the original.

Hiding everything behind a billion different ini options is no substitute. Again, the only people familiar with what needs turning off and on, are those people heavily invested in it emotionally who follow the development very closely and won't stand for any criticism of it.

Which is how it's lost sight of what it was originally trying to achieve, but anyway.

I really was a bit shocked to come back all these years later as someone who played a lot of JA2, and see this mod ridden with some of the most absurd feature creep I've seen in a long time.

Hopefully someone takes control of the project and refocuses it, but this is very unlikely in what is now a very, very old game.

Remember all the waiting and anticipation for JA3? Who would've thought.

[WhispersOfTheWind]

'Don't play the modded game'...

But I like it and the way it is made into something bigger, better... Ultimately more realistic, because real life doesn't automatically equate to 'balance' or fairness in the field.

You should try it out, try the vanilla game first. Personally, I was just blown away by the 1.13 mod which made me postpone my playthrough of the vanilla in favor of the mod.

[76561198007484948]

I've played the 1.13 version/patch for years and never had aproblemw ith it - mind you I run it on a very old Windows 7 machine.

[Powertuzzo]

Guys, can I install 1.13 mod with the steam version following the same procedure of non steam version? I recently purchased JA2 on Steam, but i want to play it with 1.13 mod installed.

[WhispersOfTheWind]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Napalm:

Guys, can I install 1.13 mod with the steam version following the same procedure of non steam version? I recently purchased JA2 on Steam, but i want to play it with 1.13 mod installed.

Install Ja2 Gold, put 1.13 'SCI Installer' (I have build 8336) from zipfile in Ja2 Gold folder and you're 1.13 play-ready.

I'd advise you to install AIMNAS (big-maps, awesome) over that installation to have a fuller game and one where you can choose which mod to play.

I also downloaded many other mods like 'Arulco Vacations, Arulco Reloaded, Arulco Vacations, Vengeance Reloaded...

Bascially a lot of mods :D I really like them and I adore the game, it's really awesome. I had to adapt to it because I couldn't get into it at first, because I didn't know what to do precisely but later, after a while I figure it out and grew into it and into these mods.

There's this Polish website that has a lot of mods to download which are mostly kept up to date, you should check it out.

https://jagged-alliance.pl/download/

If you want the latest news and builds check then out the Bears Pit forum which is @:
http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php

Have fun hunting :D and good luck.

[Powertuzzo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von HellsWind:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Napalm:

Guys, can I install 1.13 mod with the steam version following the same procedure of non steam version? I recently purchased JA2 on Steam, but i want to play it with 1.13 mod installed.

Install Ja2 Gold, put 1.13 'SCI Installer' (I have build 8336) from zipfile in Ja2 Gold folder and you're 1.13 play-ready.

I'd advise you to install AIMNAS (big-maps, awesome) over that installation to have a fuller game and one where you can choose which mod to play.

I also downloaded many other mods like 'Arulco Vacations, Arulco Reloaded, Arulco Vacations, Vengeance Reloaded...

Bascially a lot of mods :D I really like them and I adore the game, it's really awesome. I had to adapt to it because I couldn't get into it at first, because I didn't know what to do precisely but later, after a while I figure it out and grew into it and into these mods.

There's this Polish website that has a lot of mods to download which are mostly kept up to date, you should check it out.

https://jagged-alliance.pl/download/

If you want the latest news and builds check then out the Bears Pit forum which is @:
http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php

Have fun hunting :D and good luck.

Thanks a lot!
Can I install mods from Polish site even if i have installed 1.12 vanilla in english? I am about to search 1.13v from Bears Pit since i was familiar to the one you can find here http://ja2v113.pbworks.com/w/page/4218334/Downloads