Unhappy band member

[farish4]

Why are they getting unhappy and I quote 'songs that I helped to write played at a gig' -51 happiness and the next gig -31 happiness, consequently there is now a division in the band, I had 3 days to make her happy or she was off but obviously this is going to keep on happening and it makes zero sense to be unhappy at a song you wrote being played at a gig, hell, that is the whole point of being in a band?

Help, please?

[Eeyore Donkey Donk]

That happens when there are incidents during a gig, I've noticed it seems to effect those with Producer skill more than the others. There are a few things you can do to help them out after a gig. Have them participate in writing a song when you get back home or to the hotel/motel that night. I have a few songs in my archive that I can salvage and rewrite if there are no ideas, but if you can combine a few fragments before writing a song it's much better since they get points for that as well. The other is to buy a few pieces of junk gear to repair the next day if you are at home. If you are on the road and cannot buy gear, and don't have any song fragments to combine, then your last recourse is to trash a hotel room. That makes the band members very happy, and will generate song fragments; warning though you can piss off your manager who will quit if you do it too often.

[farish4]

Thanks, there was an incident at the gig, the first one, her guitar went wonky and of course I had no techs as I am pretty much still starting out but gaining popularity.
She has just said the same thing again but I took the song she helped write out of the set list, I noticed that buying her clothes and instruments helped improve her happiness, bit of a drag to do this after every gig though, got a block of them on the horizon :(
Cheers for the help Eeyore

[Eeyore Donkey Donk]

The early days of a band when you don't have much money to buy happiness is a rough go, you just need to slog through it. Some band members have egos that are too high to maintain early and you might have to let her go, I've had that with band members who had egos over 70 that just could not be kept happy, no matter what I did their happiness went into the red once or twice a week. Good luck holding the band together.

Be careful adjusting set lists to suit happiness, some band members will be angry if there are not any songs they helped write played that night. Double edged sword.

[Uncle Fester]

Or play at least 3 songs that the whiney band mate helped to write, that will shut him/her up.

[farish4]

She is complaining that a song she wrote is being played, that is the odd part about it.

'A song I helped write was played at the gig' - 51 to happiness

That is just weird, all the other tips have worked in getting her back on an even keel, it is just an added faff after a gig lol

Also, she is a diva at 70 but she is also 100 in business and that alone makes me lots of money buying/fixing/selling guitars :)

Cheers for the replies to my first ever post on here, much appreciated.

[Uncle Fester]

Originally posted by farish4:

She is complaining that a song she wrote is being played, that is the odd part about it.

'A song I helped write was played at the gig' - 51 to happiness

That is just weird, all the other tips have worked in getting her back on an even keel, it is just an added faff after a gig lol

Also, she is a diva at 70 but she is also 100 in business and that alone makes me lots of money buying/fixing/selling guitars :)

Cheers for the replies to my first ever post on here, much appreciated.

Yes, I understand that. Here is what I am telling you, if you are hungry, and I give you a slice of bread, it will not cease your hunger, only make you more frustrated, but if I give you a sandwich, some chips, and a Pepsi, you will feel better. If you play ONE song from a band mate, it is giving her a slice of bread, but if you play two or three songs per set, you have given her a sandwich, a bag of chips, and a Pepsi. Raise her writing songs/lyrics to be able to include her in more of the reason she is in the band. To me, the business skill is mostly useless to anyone other than the band leader, as you approach mid levels, and you get a manager, it is no longer needed. My initial non-song writing member I gave the production skill to, because it will be needed when you begin recording your songs, and combining song parts will increase happiness, and the production member gets mega-boosts to exp when recording music. Later on, when the production skill is maxed out, you start to train this band mate to write songs or lyrics, and you will not see so much the frustration of a single song on occasion.

[Bohemian Rap City]

Originally posted by Uncle Fester:

Here is what I am telling you, if you are hungry, and I give you a slice of bread, it will not cease your hunger, only make you more frustrated, but if I give you a sandwich, some chips, and a Pepsi, you will feel better. If you play ONE song from a band mate, it is giving her a slice of bread, but if you play two or three songs per set, you have given her a sandwich, a bag of chips, and a Pepsi. Raise her writing songs/lyrics to be able to include her in more of the reason she is in the band. To me, the business skill is mostly useless to anyone other than the band leader, as you approach mid levels, and you get a manager, it is no longer needed. My initial non-song writing member I gave the production skill to, because it will be needed when you begin recording your songs, and combining song parts will increase happiness, and the production member gets mega-boosts to exp when recording music. Later on, when the production skill is maxed out, you start to train this band mate to write songs or lyrics, and you will not see so much the frustration of a single song on occasion.

WHOAH Fester. That was very eloquently laid out. It was also SPOT ON!!!

(The man has unplumbed depths)

[Eeyore Donkey Donk]

I've never given a band member the Business skill before so I was somewhat surprised they had a negative reaction to playing gigs like that. I've seen it with a Producer primary skill, and they seem a bit miffed to have to play gigs at all, and get hyper upset when it's a bad gig either through equipment failures, or playing a high energy set during low energy attitudes for example. I've seen Repair primaries quit bands once the band goes on the road and no longer fixes gear most every day, so perhaps one with Business is similar, they really want to just do business. Producers want to work on song fragments and be in the studio, and so on perhaps.
That would be pretty nice if you could spin those members off into their specialty, and retain them as staff, hence your Producer stops playing their instrument and becomes your producer, the Business weasel stops playing in the band and becomes your manager, and the Repairist becomes a tech for whatever instrument they played, or maybe a stage manager. They would have career paths to follow other than just being frustrated having to play gigs and do things they don't like doing, unlike the writers and performers who live to gig.

[Bohemian Rap City]

I just don't have Business and Production members. One guy with 12 Production is fine, and business never made since if you plan to have a manager by month 6.

[Eeyore Donkey Donk]

If I do a five member band I will often add a Producer, my typical arrangement is 2 songwriters, 1 lyric writer, and 1 stage presence. I try to limit the writers so I'm not overly deluged with fragments I cannot possible assemble, and I find a Producer works okay in that situation where I'll bump them to 30, then 60, then finally max them out, resting each step to work on Playing and Stage Presence. I pretty much ignore contributions of non-writers in the song creation process, unless they are the only ones with matchable tiles and I'm keeping my producer happy by working on fragments.
If my band leader starts with stage presence, i'll frequently then add playing after 20 is attained, and some business skill to keep them from getting in the way of the composers.

[farish4]

Thanks for the extra tips Uncle Fester.

On another side note, the unhappy band member became two unhappy band members but oddly all the hate from the remaining three members went to the newest unhappy band member and not the one I first asked about, took the decision to sack them and now we are all green lines.
The downside to this (obvious, when you think about it tbh) all my song playing knowledge has taken a huge knock, not so great with a raft of gigs on the calendar :(

Still, you live and learn :)

ps I built the business one up as you got better deals at the shops, I thought that was the best way to make the band money.

[Bigolcritty]

Originally posted by farish4:

Why are they getting unhappy and I quote 'songs that I helped to write played at a gig' -51 happiness and the next gig -31 happiness, consequently there is now a division in the band, I had 3 days to make her happy or she was off but obviously this is going to keep on happening and it makes zero sense to be unhappy at a song you wrote being played at a gig, hell, that is the whole point of being in a band?

Help, please?

Dude im wondering the same thing. If i keep it to two band members its fine but as soon as i add a 3rd they are losing -69 happiness per gig reason "played gig" "songs i helped to write played at gig" then i end up losing my entire band, losing all momentum having to miss shows to practice my songs back up. like wtf

[Bigolcritty]

Originally posted by Uncle Fester:

Originally posted by farish4:

She is complaining that a song she wrote is being played, that is the odd part about it.

'A song I helped write was played at the gig' - 51 to happiness

That is just weird, all the other tips have worked in getting her back on an even keel, it is just an added faff after a gig lol

Also, she is a diva at 70 but she is also 100 in business and that alone makes me lots of money buying/fixing/selling guitars :)

Cheers for the replies to my first ever post on here, much appreciated.

Yes, I understand that. Here is what I am telling you, if you are hungry, and I give you a slice of bread, it will not cease your hunger, only make you more frustrated, but if I give you a sandwich, some chips, and a Pepsi, you will feel better. If you play ONE song from a band mate, it is giving her a slice of bread, but if you play two or three songs per set, you have given her a sandwich, a bag of chips, and a Pepsi. Raise her writing songs/lyrics to be able to include her in more of the reason she is in the band. To me, the business skill is mostly useless to anyone other than the band leader, as you approach mid levels, and you get a manager, it is no longer needed. My initial non-song writing member I gave the production skill to, because it will be needed when you begin recording your songs, and combining song parts will increase happiness, and the production member gets mega-boosts to exp when recording music. Later on, when the production skill is maxed out, you start to train this band mate to write songs or lyrics, and you will not see so much the frustration of a single song on occasion.

if that is the case why is my band member who wrote ALL of the songs on the set list losing -69 from "playing a gig"

[Manouche]

"Played a gig" and "Songs I helped write played at a gig" are two different modifiers to happiness.
From memory, played a gig can be negative if the band played bad or a bad event happened during the concert. It's not related to who wrote the songs.
It's hard to tell why this penalty without you giving more precise information. I have never seen a bug in happiness, it's always a misunderstanding of the mechanics of it.

[Eeyore Donkey Donk]

and if the misfortune happened during a song that member wrote, or perhaps multiple negative events, i believe they can add up.