Invincible armor or barefeet x?

[Dr. Raven]

So how come everyone uses the earlier for their godtier equips? Is it not possible to get the barefeet x to the maximum stats? Or is it just cuz it's too much work potentially and not as easily farmable in the rarity you want?

[Streamliner]

Invincible Armor done right already gets you to max movement, jump and maxes out in stats way earlier as well. So it just makes sense.

[Dr. Raven]

Originally posted by Streamliner:

Invincible Armor done right already gets you to max movement, jump and maxes out in stats way earlier as well. So it just makes sense.

The only thing I have to ask is then doesn't that mean barefeet x are a straight upgrade assuming that's true and excluding the fact it's more effort. Cuz then you could say if you want pass a bill to increase hp which increases the maximum potential hp cap of the item, while still having 8 movement speed to max out your total character speed.

[Fujiro Kamiyamoto]

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

Originally posted by Streamliner:

Invincible Armor done right already gets you to max movement, jump and maxes out in stats way earlier as well. So it just makes sense.

The only thing I have to ask is then doesn't that mean barefeet x are a straight upgrade assuming that's true and excluding the fact it's more effort. Cuz then you could say if you want pass a bill to increase hp which increases the maximum potential hp cap of the item, while still having 8 movement speed to max out your total character speed.

If you discard time as a factor, it can be considered an upgrade, but the amount of work and time spent to make a perfect Barefoot X is just too much to be ignored and the differences between a perfect Barefoot X and the perfect Invincible Armor would be too small to make the time spent worth it.

[Binary]

Maxing the Invincible Armor is something around 250 gencies, maxing the Barefoot X is around 10,000.

[Streamliner]

Also remember the next best bit, the unique innocents. Getting 3 invincible armors, 1 with each (for example I have begger, mode changer, hand shaker and sweet tempter). They are far FAR more valuable time wise to invest in. The little increase in health isn't worth it, not when you will be one shot either way xD

[Dr. Raven]

Originally posted by Streamliner:

Also remember the next best bit, the unique innocents. Getting 3 invincible armors, 1 with each (for example I have begger, mode changer, hand shaker and sweet tempter). They are far FAR more valuable time wise to invest in. The little increase in health isn't worth it, not when you will be one shot either way xD

thought with several of the unique innocents you can avoid one shot. I've run across units that I can't quite one shot. My idea was kinder gardener, wuss, and motivator. Along with evilities to further deter the damage done. Such as dream girl, star body. In combination with full elemental resistances.

[HolyGrail]

if my semi endgame characters can one shot end game characters then im pretty sure endgame characters can one shot other endgame characters...

[Dr. Raven]

Originally posted by DeathevokatioN:

if my semi endgame characters can one shot end game characters then im pretty sure endgame characters can one shot other endgame characters...

Well, different strategies are employed. IE you can have a character with 1.7 billion health, max stats, and inspiration so you recover all your hp every turn. On top of the 25% damage resistance from kinder gardener, 40% from wuss/motivator, and mode changer so you can either be immune to atk or magic on even/odd turns.

With all that in mind I it's highly doubtful you'll come close to one shotting the unit in question.


How much you'll do against a unit with 600 million hp with all those resists on the other hand with a max damage attack is the question. If they're running star body and is immune to anything but magic on that turn, I very much doubt you can one shot that character as well. But with a max level peta star, that might not be the case.

[Fujiro Kamiyamoto]

Since i'm on the "been there, done that" boat. I can spoil things for ya, Hell, i can even throw some numbers.

I'm going to use three characters as examples: A character with no unique evilities that help with defense (let's call it X). F-u-k-a (Dream Girl as unique) and my favorite anomaly in this game: the Dragon Zombie (Immortal Body as unique). I have all of them at max stats and they are equipped with Kinder Gardener and Wuss for this example. The other two unique innocents are irrelevant.

Let's say a character with max ATK and without damage boosting evilities such as Krichevskoy's/Laharl's/Kurits' uniques shows up and uses a +9 boosted, 100% chance of critical hit, lvl 50 Super Crosslord, a SS rank non-elemental physical skill. How much damage these characters will take?

X will take something along the lines of 575 million.
F-u-k-a will take 291 million.
Dragon Boi will take 96 million.

"B-but it's an SS rank skill. Only a few skills have such a rank." Okay. How about a lvl 25, 100% chance of critical hit, +9, non-elemental, physical, C Rank Crimson Rain?

X takes 356 million damage.
F-u-k-a takes 178 million damage.
Dragon Boi takes 60 million damage.

"Oh but these skills are at lvl 25 and 50, that increases damage." No problem, both mentioned skills at level 1 will deal 2 million less. Not much of a difference.

"What about Axel/Slumber Cat/Sludge?". They work the same way as Fuka. They just cover less ground than her.

"What about magic?" Okay. Same attacker as the previous example with max INT and i order it to use a lvl 50, 100% chance of critical hit Peta Star at +9,

X takes 375 million since she's just with Motivator and Kinder Gardener
F-u-k-a takes 31 million. She has Motivator, Kinder Gardener, Dream Girl and the evility Mist Cloak, which is the magic version of Immortal Body.
Dragon Boi takes 64 million. He's with the same stuff as F-u-k-a, only lacking the Dream Girl evility.

"But what about elemental magic?" Thanks to Firefighter, Cryophile and Aeronaut, most skills and magic that use those elements become quite weak after Wuss, Kinder Gardener and etc mitigating most of the damage. Don't believe me? The F-u-k-a from the Peta Star example took the laughable amount of 3 million damage from a +9 critical hit Peta Fire (she was with fire element at 99% and the attacker was also at 99%). Dragon Zombie took 43 million from a Peta Wind but only because the attacker had 99% wind element and the dragon's wind element can only reach 25% with an Aeronaut at level 100.

I guess i've covered...most things? If there's any questions, i'll try to answer them as soon as i can.

[Dr. Raven]

Originally posted by Pretz:

Since i'm on the "been there, done that" boat. I can spoil things for ya, Hell, i can even throw some numbers.

I'm going to use three characters as examples: A character with no unique evilities that help with defense (let's call it X). F-u-k-a (Dream Girl as unique) and my favorite anomaly in this game: the Dragon Zombie (Immortal Body as unique). I have all of them at max stats and they are equipped with Kinder Gardener and Wuss for this example. The other two unique innocents are irrelevant.

Let's say a character with max ATK and without damage boosting evilities such as Krichevskoy's/Laharl's/Kurits' uniques shows up and uses a +9 boosted, 100% chance of critical hit, lvl 50 Super Crosslord, a SS rank non-elemental physical skill. How much damage these characters will take?

X will take something along the lines of 575 million.
F-u-k-a will take 291 million.
Dragon Boi will take 96 million.

"B-but it's an SS rank skill. Only a few skills have such a rank." Okay. How about a lvl 25, 100% chance of critical hit, +9, non-elemental, physical, C Rank Crimson Rain?

X takes 356 million damage.
F-u-k-a takes 178 million damage.
Dragon Boi takes 60 million damage.

"Oh but these skills are at lvl 25 and 50, that increases damage." No problem, both mentioned skills at level 1 will deal 2 million less. Not much of a difference.

"What about Axel/Slumber Cat/Sludge?". They work the same way as Fuka. They just cover less ground than her.

"What about magic?" Okay. Same attacker as the previous example with max INT and i order it to use a lvl 50, 100% chance of critical hit Peta Star at +9,

X takes 375 million since she's just with Motivator and Kinder Gardener
F-u-k-a takes 31 million. She has Motivator, Kinder Gardener, Dream Girl and the evility Mist Cloak, which is the magic version of Immortal Body.
Dragon Boi takes 64 million. He's with the same stuff as F-u-k-a, only lacking the Dream Girl evility.

"But what about elemental magic?" Thanks to Firefighter, Cryophile and Aeronaut, most skills and magic that use those elements become quite weak after Wuss, Kinder Gardener and etc mitigating most of the damage. Don't believe me? The F-u-k-a from the Peta Star example took the laughable amount of 3 million damage from a +9 critical hit Peta Fire (she was with fire element at 99% and the attacker was also at 99%). Dragon Zombie took 43 million from a Peta Wind but only because the attacker had 99% wind element and the dragon's wind element can only reach 25% with an Aeronaut at level 100.

I guess i've covered...most things? If there's any questions, i'll try to answer them as soon as i can.

oh thanks for the numbers, that helps a lot. I was wondering what the values would be.


Guess that means tanking hits is a viable strat with perfect gear and stats. Considering max possible hp is 400m and, with an additional 216m via equipment. Or 148m for most people.

[Fujiro Kamiyamoto]

Oh yes it is.

Btw, you can push the hp a bit more than 216m, you just need to make your R41 weapon have all 6 bills as HP boosting bills. MV is capped at 31 after all.

[HolyGrail]

My dream girl can almost take a critical hit with a rank 9 peta star from a character that has 999999 int and she doesn't have full res yet and has low-ish hp (for endgame).. just gotta max out her new axe and she can survive turn 1 on pirate duels. When I get her aptitude up too, she'll be great. Ty Pretz.