Is this game bette the Chrono Trigger?

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[OldKing]

Escrito originalmente por EverNight:

If you think FF14's story is boring then you'd think any JRPG is boring. FF14 can be thought of as a single player JRPG w/ optional MMO features. If they ever make an offline version of it I'd buy it instantly to replay the story.

I did a bunch of min ilvl extremes & savage raids. 1 ultimate. It's not easy at that level and certainly harder than a typical JRPG. I have no idea what you are talking about CC. You sound like someone with very little experience with the game.

Hard disagree. I'm not the biggest JRPG fan but I've loved a couple of them over the years and FFXIV just dont mesh with everyone because of the mix of JRPG storyline and MMO gameplay. When looking at the whole thing (story), it's pretty serviceable but the way its told is mindnumbingly boring: Go talk to this guy- cutscene of guy talking (often with no voice acting) and emoting- Your character not saying ♥♥♥♥ but always using the same emotes- Now go there and talk to this other dude and finish his MMO-tier quest- cutscene again. They either info dump you with cutscenes or give you breadcrumbs inbetween MMO quests....

[EverNight]

I agree with you. You are not much of a JRPG fan.

How much does the lead character in Dragon Quest talk? Zero. And that's THE quintessential JRPG. How much voice acting is there in Chained Echos anyway? Oh yeah, zero. And FF14 is a way bigger game.

Arguably the best JRPG this year was Xenobalde Chronicles 3 & that too is extremely MMO like in gameplay.

You don't have to like it, but I'd say you don't really like JRPGs. Anyway my point is that FF14 has an extremely good story that is certainly beyond that of Chained Echoes.

[OldKing]

Escrito originalmente por EverNight:

I agree with you. You are not much of a JRPG fan.

How much does the lead character in Dragon Quest talk? Zero. And that's THE quintessential JRPG. How much voice acting is there in Chained Echos anyway? Oh yeah, zero. And FF14 is a way bigger game.

Arguably the best JRPG this year was Xenobalde Chronicles 3 & that too is extremely MMO like in gameplay.

You don't have to like it, but I'd say you don't really like JRPGs. Anyway my point is that FF14 has an extremely good story that is certainly beyond that of Chained Echoes.

I said FFXIV's story is serviceable, not that it's awful. The way they deliver the story is awful though. Also you're comparing the story of a game made by a multi-million company, with a brand that has years and years of lore behind it VS one guy who made the whole thing by himself. Sure it can't compare but so far what i've seen and heard, Chained Echoes delivers a good story none the less.

[Tegridy Farms]

Escrito originalmente por EverNight:

I agree with you. You are not much of a JRPG fan.

How much does the lead character in Dragon Quest talk? Zero. And that's THE quintessential JRPG. How much voice acting is there in Chained Echos anyway? Oh yeah, zero. And FF14 is a way bigger game.

Arguably the best JRPG this year was Xenobalde Chronicles 3 & that too is extremely MMO like in gameplay.

You don't have to like it, but I'd say you don't really like JRPGs. Anyway my point is that FF14 has an extremely good story that is certainly beyond that of Chained Echoes.

Hey look i enjoyed FF14 but he does make some good points about some of the lackluster ways they do story telling in that game (and alot of it stems from the fact that it's an MMO so they need alot of filler content since they never wanted to make the player grind inbetween story bits). Also the lack of voice acting in FF14 is an issue because that game has so much text it can get exhausting to read it all even if all you want to play is the main story and the studio could actually reasonably afford to atleast voice act all of the main story you know considering it's the 2nd most played MMO ever and the only reason WoW wins that is they have been around longer. Chained echoes lack of voiceacting doesn't really change anything about how the story is told or bring the experience down in anyway and on top of that i expect a game with a single dev not to have the budget to voice act their game.

In terms of scope of the story no argument there FF14 is larger which is no surprise there we are talking about a studio that was planning to write a story that spans over 4 expansions whereas the Chained Echoes dev was planning on writing a story for one game. In terms of the actual writing though, plot hooks, twist, character interaction and character motivation it's hard for me to pick one that's objectively better though i would give a slight edge too Chained Echoes for 2 reasons. FF14 is a slow burn especially at the start I wasn't even interested enough that i was consistently reading all the quest text until i got into Heavensward and it has a bunch of pointless filer content on top of that. And reason number 2 which honestly i don't consider to be that bad because every MMO does this your character the dude you control the whole game doesn't contribute alot too the story.

[comicGeek]

I wish Chrono Trigger is remastered to the same quality graphics as this game.

[CC]

Escrito originalmente por EverNight:

If you think FF14's story is boring then you'd think any JRPG is boring. FF14 can be thought of as a single player JRPG w/ optional MMO features. If they ever make an offline version of it I'd buy it instantly to replay the story.

I did a bunch of min ilvl extremes & savage raids. 1 ultimate. It's not easy at that level and certainly harder than a typical JRPG. I have no idea what you are talking about CC. You sound like someone with very little experience with the game.

You tell me :^). https://i.imgur.com/TslXvOI.png. Warrior Masterrace could solo a lot of content where other jobs couldn't. The high-end content "raids" are only hard because you have to coordinate with 8+ other people, it's not like league or Elden Ring or something where you can carry solo. So everyone has to pull their own weight in the group. I don't like to play with so much people (max 4) but i hate the tab targeting combat system. I am more of an arpg/action guy or full strategy games (like turn based, RTS).

As I said, you can't compare FF14 to JRPGs. IMO MMOs should focus on social things (The newer MMOs actually skip being social lol).

[CC]

Escrito originalmente por comicGeek:

I wish Chrono Trigger is remastered to the same quality graphics as this game.

Yes, I would love this, the remastered was a total disaster :D.

Fan "Trailer" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3SU5dDBwCI

[Rhyagelle]

Escrito originalmente por comicGeek:

I wish Chrono Trigger is remastered to the same quality graphics as this game.

Same! All our efforts to mod that terrible port resulted in barely a difference. Chained Echoes is absolutely gorgeous.

[Seeking Solace]

Anybody who claims that Chrono Trigger is a better game than this game is biased by nostalgia. Or is overdosing on drugs. It was a great game... For the time, that is.

But yeah, what's the point of this post? And why is the OP comparing the game to Chrono Trigger in specific?

[Seeking Solace]

Escrito originalmente por Pweeloo:

Oh and if you want a real time travel story, basically Chrono trigger on steroids, try Astlibra. Another game made by a single dev over 15 years.

I see you're a man of culture.

[StarcraftJunkie]

I haven't played that far into the game, from what I gather (I'm on the Aurora, fixing to get some Sky Armor, I think), but the game is definitely better than Chrono Trigger. The story has more depth, the gameplay is comparable (I think better, but that depends on if you like the overdrive/overload system) and definitely has some improvements that Chrono Trigger never had that are basically standard now - like having some difficulty settings, though this game's is a tiny bit more granular than easy/medium/hard. The story and background definitely have more depth than Chrono Trigger, if only because there's no weird silent protagonist that every NPC somehow loves and wants to expend significant time and resources to resurrect halfway through the game. I'm not claiming the plot and lore are Shakespeare or whatever, but they're good - kind of standard fair for JRPGs (especially 90's to early 00's JRPGs). There's some depth here and there - there's a few books to read on shelves in the game that give lore, detailing the continents/major islands and their layout, or detailing the various races in the world, and things like that. The sound/music on average in Chained Echoes is better, though Frog's theme song from Chrono Trigger holds a special place in my heart and is hard to beat, and Chained Echoes has nothing that grabbed me like that so far.

Chrono Trigger's claim to fame, what it should really be honored for, is that it popularized New Game+ and multiple endings. And I mean a lot of endings. Not like one or two. At the time, most console games had only one ending (unless you count the game over screen from dying), MAYBE two or three every once in a blue moon from basically one choice in the entire game. And it should be remembered and respected for that. But it's not this sparkling example of perfection some people let nostalgia turn it into. It was an above-average JRPG that was a prominent major example of some (awesome, IMO) game mechanics that were, at the time, very uncommon.

[Big Daddy Nasty]

this game is garbage compared to chrono trigger just my own personal opinion

[Nero]

Escrito originalmente por Big Daddy Nasty:

this game is garbage compared to chrono trigger just my own personal opinion

Care to explain?

[omegawop]

Both are great. CT has a better soundtrack.

[prudenut]

Looks like a straight up rip off of chrono trigger.