OP ghosts?

[Meteorgun]

Ok.. I'm playing at the hardest difficulty which has been Ok for a while with some couple of game overs. Now I'm stuck at the temple of purple fire( or whatever the name was). Because the ghosts are killing me while they use their physical resist. I already tried cleanse, but it just misses, probably because cleanse is also a physical attack. Is there any way to remove it? Or are there any items that deal magical damage? Victor's dmg is not enough.

[Big Daddy Nasty]

yeah this game is garbage uninstall

[Jaxom]

Publicado originalmente por Big Daddy Nasty:

yeah this game is garbage uninstall

lol you mean the game is to hard for you?

Publicado originalmente por erniem1970:

Publicado originalmente por Gozvern:

Games were made to challenge the players, this isn't anything new since sports were invented. If you don't want the challenge then sit in the corner and be a spectator (which the majority of the people that attend sport games are).

I have a right to my opinion, and I have played games, including JRPGs, for over 32 years. mostly the computer, since I hate consoles. Games should be mostly made to have FUN and RELAX for a majority, and I dare say, most in the world today. We do NOT want to have to do things over and over, or be frustrated. This is a forum for sharing our views, points and complaints or praises. I have been on Steam for years also, so I know. If I made games, I would make it so people could be able to bypass an enemy if they have tried many times, as I have. The biggest issue with the ghosts is not only do they take 25 to 50 percent of your player's HP at once, but they often hit TWICE to your one. That is UNFAIR and OVER-doing it for a game. That pisses people off. They do not pay for that. Not all gamers are like you. And this game for a long time up to that enemy was great! And then it drops the ball. WHY?!?!?! There is no reason for that. Think what you want.

Stop saying "We" - you are speaking for yourself only. The ghost are not even hard. They are a basic mechanic.

If you don't want to play fine, but don't come on here trolling.

[RadicalDreamer1999]

Publicado originalmente por Meteorgun:

Uh wow this exploded. Anyways the immunity for a certain attack for the whole battle is quite unusual, because normally it's for a certain amount of turns. I do have to say this game needs a better explanation. I didn't even knew that leanne's thrust were magic type and allow us to revisit the explanation.

The game's description of Lenne's magic attacks literally describe it as magic so that's kinda on you for not knowing that

[dotVeskan]

Looks at my hard playthrough... cant remember when i fought ghosts but i just breezed on by that temple. Upgrade your gear and skills. Challenges are part of the fun of jrpgs. Square has been getting too easy lately. Elden Ring (aside fire giant) has been a fine skill check. Chained Echoes has been a nice little 16bit rpg and story time with a tense enough combat system. If anything it's pretty hand holdy with how basic its enemy setups are and telling you their element weakness even upon first encounter. Struggle, Adapt, Overcome.

[Wasler]

This game is often more irritating 4 me than Elden Ring (which i played trough), because of the lack of description (or sometimes you did not read it and there is no 2nd chance to read it).
I fought now 4 ghost groups, beat them, but also did not recognize in those 3 fights that they could also be immune against "magic", because all 4 fights began with one of my physical attacks.
I understand that fanboys always protect a game, but requesting better explanations in a game is something you should not blame people.

[ohgodwhat]

Except the game explains everything it needs to about the enemies through you interacting with and fighting them, it's a great example of teaching you a fight mechanic without a longwinded tutorial and it still permits you to adapt to and win the encounter even when you don't know what you're getting into.
You hit them with physical, they go immune to it with a skill that literally says they're now immune to it, and a status that you can read at any time that says the same thing. So you kill them with magic using your skills that, again, specifically say they are magic damage.
You fight them again and lead off with magic because you have a functioning memory and can recall something that happened two minutes ago and now they go immune to that and you can kill them with physical, and now because you're a human being with basic pattern recognition you understand that they react with gaining an immunity to the first damage type you hit them with and now you can plan out a strategy to more efficiently dismantle the encounters.
Nothing about this needed more explanation than was given, all of the problems are solved by keeping your eyes open and reading some words.

[erniem1970]

Publicado originalmente por Nik:

Publicado originalmente por erniem1970:

I speak for many more than your "everyone". Trust me on that. What is best for you is if you do not like or agree, just move on. I was the only who commented on this after the first, and I did not ask for a bunch of negativity and rudeness. I did not do it to you, until a couple of you did it, which I would never do. The game has PROBLEMS, period. It needs to work for all gamers, not just your mindset. I am unsubscribing, because I will not put up with harassment and rudeness from people who could do better things with their time on the forums. I wish you all a Merry Christmas and peaceful new year. God knows I need it...

You are an angry and frustrated little man. "PERIOD".

You realize that just because you use the word "period" doesn't make a point any more or less valid, right? Instead of having a logical conversation on the topic you seem irrationally argumentative and are coming off as frustrated for no apparent reason.

Regarding ghosts, you don't speak for everyone. You don't even speak for the majority. You get to speak for yourself and maybe someone else who specifically tells you their feelings about the topic on hand. You also don't get anyone's trust. You have to earn it. That goes for everyone.

Many people play games to relax, and it's definitely more common in the JRPG realm, but there are also min/maxers, completionists, speed-runners, etc. Not to mention the huge.. Almost everyone who primarily plays competitive FPS, MOBA, MMOs, Sports, Racing of Fighting games are in it for the adrenaline rush rather than relaxation.

The ghosts in Chained Echoes are a very simple and minor mechanic, that some people like, some dislike, but most of us don't care one way or another. In your own words, if you do not agree with this, just move on.

I don't know why you're so angry here, but I hope things in life get better for you, because as someone from the outside looking in, being frustrated by such a small mechanic can't be healthy, and if it frustrates you to this point, maybe you're better off just dropping the game.

Publicado originalmente por Meteorgun:

Uhm is there a way to close this topic? This topic has served it's purpose and it's quite offrailing.

I think the best thing to do as you've opened it is to mark a response as answering your question. Other than that, you can contact a mod to close it, but once you mark it as answered it usually dies down.

You missed the point. I started off making a point, and I still stand by it. You added a lot of huff and puff, and accomplished nothing. It is a bad mechanic for what should be a more relaxing game. I do not like to waste time in games this way. And you blew it into something else. People are ridiculous. Games are made to be relaxed, and not like this. If people like this, they can make it like that. I have it on easy mode. The mechanics are poor at this point, and that is why I decided not to continue being frustrated and annoyed. The only people who got mad were those who kept talking over me and going off into left field. I really do not understand how some of you really think anyone with a half a brain will ever care at all what you say. This is wrong to charge people for games that change dramatically. Do not treat everyone as if all gamers will go along with this, because trust me, a majority go right along with me. You can take your egos and entitlement and stick it where the sun don't shine. That is all. Good luck.

[Jurisprudence]

Publicado originalmente por erniem1970:

Publicado originalmente por Meteorgun:

Uh wow this exploded. Anyways the immunity for a certain attack for the whole battle is quite unusual, because normally it's for a certain amount of turns. I do have to say this game needs a better explanation. I didn't even knew that leanne's thrust were magic type and allow us to revisit the explanation.

THANK YOU FOR GETTING WHAT I WAS SAYING ALL ALONG. Someone with brains.

I bet you don’t have many friends.

[Citadel]

Publicado originalmente por erniem1970:

Publicado originalmente por Nik:

You are an angry and frustrated little man. "PERIOD".

You realize that just because you use the word "period" doesn't make a point any more or less valid, right? Instead of having a logical conversation on the topic you seem irrationally argumentative and are coming off as frustrated for no apparent reason.

Regarding ghosts, you don't speak for everyone. You don't even speak for the majority. You get to speak for yourself and maybe someone else who specifically tells you their feelings about the topic on hand. You also don't get anyone's trust. You have to earn it. That goes for everyone.

Many people play games to relax, and it's definitely more common in the JRPG realm, but there are also min/maxers, completionists, speed-runners, etc. Not to mention the huge.. Almost everyone who primarily plays competitive FPS, MOBA, MMOs, Sports, Racing of Fighting games are in it for the adrenaline rush rather than relaxation.

The ghosts in Chained Echoes are a very simple and minor mechanic, that some people like, some dislike, but most of us don't care one way or another. In your own words, if you do not agree with this, just move on.

I don't know why you're so angry here, but I hope things in life get better for you, because as someone from the outside looking in, being frustrated by such a small mechanic can't be healthy, and if it frustrates you to this point, maybe you're better off just dropping the game.



I think the best thing to do as you've opened it is to mark a response as answering your question. Other than that, you can contact a mod to close it, but once you mark it as answered it usually dies down.

You missed the point. I started off making a point, and I still stand by it. You added a lot of huff and puff, and accomplished nothing. It is a bad mechanic for what should be a more relaxing game. I do not like to waste time in games this way. And you blew it into something else. People are ridiculous. Games are made to be relaxed, and not like this. If people like this, they can make it like that. I have it on easy mode. The mechanics are poor at this point, and that is why I decided not to continue being frustrated and annoyed. The only people who got mad were those who kept talking over me and going off into left field. I really do not understand how some of you really think anyone with a half a brain will ever care at all what you say. This is wrong to charge people for games that change dramatically. Do not treat everyone as if all gamers will go along with this, because trust me, a majority go right along with me. You can take your egos and entitlement and stick it where the sun don't shine. That is all. Good luck.

Don't speak for all of us. You say WE, but I think you just mean YOU. I'd be interested first of all in the surveys you cite, and I'd be interested in any research papers. And no, reddit does not count, that is far from representative. Moreover, even if it is, as you say, the "majority", it's okay for certain games to cater to certain niches. I, along with many others, like hard games that force you to think and adapt. I don't play games to just relax and enjoy, I want to be challenged, to use my brain, to overcome difficult challenges. Many other people are like that too. Just look at the huge popularity of games like Elden Ring, which is considered a very difficult game, but has HUGE mass market appeal.

[Canigua]

Publicado originalmente por Meteorgun:

Uh wow this exploded. Anyways the immunity for a certain attack for the whole battle is quite unusual, because normally it's for a certain amount of turns. I do have to say this game needs a better explanation. I didn't even knew that leanne's thrust were magic type and allow us to revisit the explanation.

Do you read anything in your life? It says it is a magical wind/water/fire attack.

[Chill Murray]

This has to be a troll lmao

[Sanguinius Goth Luvr]

Publicado originalmente por erniem1970:

I think it is TOTAL BS when game makers make games that are really great, and then a few hours or a day or two into the game, and you are stuck with this crap! It's a nonsense tactic they somehow assume we all think is fun.

Listen up: We do NOT think this is fun to have a new creature, such as these ghosts, and they have a physical resistance, and you are pulling your hair out trying to figure out why we cannot beat them!

Arrgggh, why don't game makers actually understand we play games for relaxation and fun, NOT to be frustrated or to have to try and figure everything out, or do things over and over. This is why many do not buy games, because they may like it at first, and then days or hours later when they cannot get a refund, they run into total crap like this with the ghosts and their stupid "physical resistance."

You know that the majority of our features of attacks are PHYSICAL, not magic, and the magic attacks do not always show up right away for obvious reasons, nor do we always have the best characters, because we do not always have these options, etc., etc.. STOP PISSING PEOPLE OFF game makers!!!! You are not impressing anyone!

This is ridiculous. I have uninstalled games over this nonsense. It makes the game WORSE, not better. Either wake up to the obvious, or give us the option to bypass the creatures if we want. Do not force us to stay in this ridiculous section or place. For crying out loud!

Update: Even with those characters, it is so annoying to try and get them to be back to back. I can never get it to happen. And then the ghosts still keep killing me!!! OMG, THIS IS SO STUPID! The ghosts take like 25 percent of your HP in one hit!!! This is not fun. How is this even fair or realistic?!?!?! Guess I will have to look for some cheats or trainers, yet again.

This is your OPINION and I heavily disagree. I greatly enjoyed encountering a new enemy/enemy type that had unique resistances. It forces me to switch up tactics or try new moves or team compositions. For me, this is both fun and strategic (the game is fairly strategic thru out) and I find it absolutely bizarre that you are complaining about a very simple mechanic in a strategy j rpg.

Its okay for you to dislike something but that does not make that something bad or "SO STUPID". And Please do NOT claim to represent and be the voice of all gamers who play these genre's of games. You are arguably in the minority with this opinion.

[Cappurnikus]

I won't speak for everyone but I was frustrated with this mechanic as well. By the time you have an opportunity to figure out how it works, you can be locked into fighting ghosts with physical immunity while most of your skills are physical damage, which doesn't feel good.