After 100h my impressions are not good at all

[tuston]

The game has many things that must be rewarded. The playbook is a huge improvement, the animations, the interface, the AI... The game looks great.
But despite that, after 100 hours of play, I have never won a championship or shown interest in playing in the Playoffs.

Why?

The game is either too easy or a burn factory.

Same as in Legend bowl, the game needs to pump cpu stats to create challenge. But in LB the AI is worse, even if the players are faster the main problem with LB was the blocking game, the Devs fixed it ( sliders) and now is a lovely game again, a fair challenge way better than CL. Even if CL is a "better game" the gameplay just doesn't work.

Varsity is ok, even game, but has a problem. Your teammates are really good, the cpu won't get a pass done even with a good QB, and also the decision making is bad.

So i've tried editing the save data file from appdata/college bowl to lower the "user=" setting to ="0" and it works. The cpu now is hitting everything but my coverage is nowere to be found. And also this doesn't fix the main challenge, my offense is still scoring a lot of points so the only answer here is to raise the difficulty...


And man... i've tried everything, sliders, difficulty, editing the save data again.... Nothing works. The moment you raise the difficulty the game breaks.

WR are too fast, qb hitting 50y passes here and there, HB breaking tackles and destroying Usaint Bolt's world records....

I've tried editing the sliders but it doesnt feel great, CPU players are still way better than you but also are smarter.
I've said that Legend bowl is now lovely, and that's because even if those player are faster LB roster isn't that good

using sliders+ save data edit ( user 1 cpu 4 so that i have some good coverage at least)+ dlc = great game.

So what's the point, i really don't know. Maybe more sliders? Coverage, pass defense reaction time, run reaction time, qb skill...

I know at least that the speed boost should be optional, because it's a mood killer when you are playing some fun football and some random player just hit you with a 80y run/pass 2,3 times per game, it feels cheap.


For now, I'm going back to Legend Bowl ( well actually i never left)

[CharlieConway]

i agree that Ai QB decision making could be much 'smarter'. i hate watching them throw into double or triple coverage when there's a receiver wide open. I also don't like seeing massively huge runs or kickoff returns. I think the game would benefit if Stamina was reduced overall. That can be done by us as users by editing the players_user.txt file and reimporting it into the game. Or the developer could make that a slider. If you reduce player Stamina then they get 'Gassed' sooner. And that would prevent these massive plays we see.

i think a lot of your complaints are valid, and I can appreciate that you posted all that in a constructive way. I hope the developer reads all of that and can make adjustments where possible.

[tuston]

Thanks. I really love this game and i really want to help.

I don't see how stamina will help since your players will also have to run after the guy and will get gassed too. Cpu players under hard difficulty are faster even when gassed ( if your player is also gassed)

I still think that the speed rating is the main key. But the problem here is that SPEED also affects cpu reaction time. So is not as easy as it sounds.

[View The Phenom]

The AI is just bad at playing basic football, it was an issue in LB and CB has the same problem. It does not understand the simple concept of "move the chains", which means AI drives are Feast-Or-Famine. First downs aren't earned play by play, it's generally a chunk play for 10+ yards when it does happen or a punt when it doesn't.

It doesn't help that the AI can't understand most of the playbooks either, which means it effectively picks at random regardless of the game situation. And the AI QB cannot figure out how to hit the open man and take his yards, you either get incomplete passes OR big gains because the DB coverage AI is still poor. RB AI is still terrible, as you'll see them ignore green grass and instead head towards the nearest crowd of defenders.

In general, it's just poor AI across the board. I don't think this is something the dev can fix either, given that the scope for CB was bigger than one person could handle and there's a clear lack of Quality Assurance/game-play testing before updates are released.

[tuston]

Originally posted by View The Phenom:

The AI is just bad at playing basic football, it was an issue in LB and CB has the same problem. It does not understand the simple concept of "move the chains", which means AI drives are Feast-Or-Famine. First downs aren't earned play by play, it's generally a chunk play for 10+ yards when it does happen or a punt when it doesn't.

It doesn't help that the AI can't understand most of the playbooks either, which means it effectively picks at random regardless of the game situation. And the AI QB cannot figure out how to hit the open man and take his yards, you either get incomplete passes OR big gains because the DB coverage AI is still poor. RB AI is still terrible, as you'll see them ignore green grass and instead head towards the nearest crowd of defenders.

In general, it's just poor AI across the board. I don't think this is something the dev can fix either, given that the scope for CB was bigger than one person could handle and there's a clear lack of Quality Assurance/game-play testing before updates are released.

Well i think that CB has better ai but for some reason it doesn't feel dangerous. I'm playing legend bowl and even with worse AI the game feels a lot better.

I spent many hours trying combinations of sliders in LB and in the end I managed to get the AI to move the chains on a regular basis. Finishing matches with 12-17 first downs.

Maybe it's because in college football there are more points and defenses are worse, they may have tried to recreate that feeling of chaotic play. But the reality is that it feels like AI isn't dangerous and that long plays are unstoppable at the same time.

[Mtabacco]

Originally posted by tuston:

The game has many things that must be rewarded. The playbook is a huge improvement, the animations, the interface, the AI... The game looks great.
But despite that, after 100 hours of play, I have never won a championship or shown interest in playing in the Playoffs.

Why?

The game is either too easy or a burn factory.

Same as in Legend bowl, the game needs to pump cpu stats to create challenge. But in LB the AI is worse, even if the players are faster the main problem with LB was the blocking game, the Devs fixed it ( sliders) and now is a lovely game again, a fair challenge way better than CL. Even if CL is a "better game" the gameplay just doesn't work.

Varsity is ok, even game, but has a problem. Your teammates are really good, the cpu won't get a pass done even with a good QB, and also the decision making is bad.

So i've tried editing the save data file from appdata/college bowl to lower the "user=" setting to ="0" and it works. The cpu now is hitting everything but my coverage is nowere to be found. And also this doesn't fix the main challenge, my offense is still scoring a lot of points so the only answer here is to raise the difficulty...


And man... i've tried everything, sliders, difficulty, editing the save data again.... Nothing works. The moment you raise the difficulty the game breaks.

WR are too fast, qb hitting 50y passes here and there, HB breaking tackles and destroying Usaint Bolt's world records....

I've tried editing the sliders but it doesnt feel great, CPU players are still way better than you but also are smarter.
I've said that Legend bowl is now lovely, and that's because even if those player are faster LB roster isn't that good

using sliders+ save data edit ( user 1 cpu 4 so that i have some good coverage at least)+ dlc = great game.

So what's the point, i really don't know. Maybe more sliders? Coverage, pass defense reaction time, run reaction time, qb skill...

I know at least that the speed boost should be optional, because it's a mood killer when you are playing some fun football and some random player just hit you with a 80y run/pass 2,3 times per game, it feels cheap.


For now, I'm going back to Legend Bowl ( well actually i never left)

You put in a hundred hours on a game you do not have good impressions about. The problem is you not the game.

[tuston]

Originally posted by Mtabacco:

Originally posted by tuston:

The game has many things that must be rewarded. The playbook is a huge improvement, the animations, the interface, the AI... The game looks great.
But despite that, after 100 hours of play, I have never won a championship or shown interest in playing in the Playoffs.

Why?

The game is either too easy or a burn factory.

Same as in Legend bowl, the game needs to pump cpu stats to create challenge. But in LB the AI is worse, even if the players are faster the main problem with LB was the blocking game, the Devs fixed it ( sliders) and now is a lovely game again, a fair challenge way better than CL. Even if CL is a "better game" the gameplay just doesn't work.

Varsity is ok, even game, but has a problem. Your teammates are really good, the cpu won't get a pass done even with a good QB, and also the decision making is bad.

So i've tried editing the save data file from appdata/college bowl to lower the "user=" setting to ="0" and it works. The cpu now is hitting everything but my coverage is nowere to be found. And also this doesn't fix the main challenge, my offense is still scoring a lot of points so the only answer here is to raise the difficulty...


And man... i've tried everything, sliders, difficulty, editing the save data again.... Nothing works. The moment you raise the difficulty the game breaks.

WR are too fast, qb hitting 50y passes here and there, HB breaking tackles and destroying Usaint Bolt's world records....

I've tried editing the sliders but it doesnt feel great, CPU players are still way better than you but also are smarter.
I've said that Legend bowl is now lovely, and that's because even if those player are faster LB roster isn't that good

using sliders+ save data edit ( user 1 cpu 4 so that i have some good coverage at least)+ dlc = great game.

So what's the point, i really don't know. Maybe more sliders? Coverage, pass defense reaction time, run reaction time, qb skill...

I know at least that the speed boost should be optional, because it's a mood killer when you are playing some fun football and some random player just hit you with a 80y run/pass 2,3 times per game, it feels cheap.


For now, I'm going back to Legend Bowl ( well actually i never left)

You put in a hundred hours on a game you do not have good impressions about. The problem is you not the game.

It's a sports game. Those aren't big numbers. I have 1.000h in LB. Also, i spent a lot of those hours testing the sliders.

[Mtabacco]

Originally posted by tuston:

Originally posted by Mtabacco:

You put in a hundred hours on a game you do not have good impressions about. The problem is you not the game.

It's a sports game. Those aren't big numbers. I have 1.000h in LB. Also, i spent a lot of those hours testing the sliders.

That does not change how pathetic it is.

[tuston]

Originally posted by Mtabacco:

Originally posted by tuston:

It's a sports game. Those aren't big numbers. I have 1.000h in LB. Also, i spent a lot of those hours testing the sliders.

That does not change how pathetic it is.

Yeah. Thanks for your contribution.

[Stosamming]

What is a football game older or newer with decent or even "good" AI?

[Trace Nukem]

Originally posted by Stosamming:

What is a football game older or newer with decent or even "good" AI?

I enjoy Madden 05 or NCAA 06

[View The Phenom]

Originally posted by Stosamming:

What is a football game older or newer with decent or even "good" AI?

CFB 25's AI works pretty well, I don't know about other EA games (no real interest), but the players AND coaches do a solid job of keeping games competitive. As well as forcing you to make adjustments over time.

That assumes you're playing at your relative difficulty level, with whatever sliders you find competitive.

Outside of that, NCAA 06 does a decent job with AI as well. I would recommend it (NCAA NEXT) if you don't have a modern console.

[Germaine's Bra]

It was way worse but it has been improved for throwing. Just a heads up, it was throwing into coverage alot more often.

Most games I played out was having 6-12 inceptions, unless there was a receiver who was insanely fast.

Any how if you want to win, you go single-wing the AI doesn't know how deal with single wing runs or screens too well. I took Roswell undefeated to championship with their 2nd string qb (first was injuried) mostly off of the play Skullz and bonez (spelling?)

3k hours

[kleptolia]

Something that a lot of people might not be aware of: your QBs target selection is not just dependent on SKL. It’s also related to Intelligence. The “soft traits” matter in QB play.
If you have a high SKL QB who is terrible at finding the open receivers, check their Intelligence.
A high SKL/high Intelligence QB will find the most open man a high percentage of the time.

[tuston]

Still no fix? I played a few matches and still the same... Just fix the damn speed stat.

Last game mi 20th defense lost against a WR with 60 skill and 99 speed. That dude was always OPEN.

I mean you can't just ignore this. This is just bad game desing. Either you have all your DB with 99 speed or you are gonna struggle with this game.

I know that College football is a mess and sometimes it's just about that. But this game feels like playing against the BOOM NATION on offense meanwhile your defense is just trash.

[View The Phenom]

Originally posted by tuston:

Still no fix? I played a few matches and still the same... Just fix the damn speed stat.

Last game mi 20th defense lost against a WR with 60 skill and 99 speed. That dude was always OPEN.

I mean you can't just ignore this. This is just bad game desing. Either you have all your DB with 99 speed or you are gonna struggle with this game.

I know that College football is a mess and sometimes it's just about that. But this game feels like playing against the BOOM NATION on offense meanwhile your defense is just trash.

The game is dead at this point, I wouldn't get your hopes up for additional updates.