The term "immersive sim" is being tossed around frequently these days

[frostdiamond]

Suddenly every FPS / every game with a first person perspective is an "immersive sim". This is silly.

To me, the only FPS that qualifies to use this term is Thief series, namely Thief and Thief 2.

[Deatheye]

Thief is no FPS.

FPS I would call immersive sims are like Deus Ex, Half Life, BioShock, Tarkov, Stalker, Metro.

[peep]

Having finished this game a few months ago, it is absolutely not an immersive sim.

[RegalistBlue]

It does have some light rpg element, like talking to people, money, and, I think, side quest. But it's too linear to be an immersive sim.

[Damien Azreal]

Kingpin is not an immersive sim.
It's deeper then most FPS games of the time, it tried to do more then most to add depth to it's gameplay and flesh out it's world...

But, it never went super deep.

[ULTRA]

Originally posted by frostdiamond:

To me, the only FPS that qualifies to use this term is Thief series, namely Thief and Thief 2.

Quite ridiculous considering Thief is not a "FPS" and literally the term was invented to describe Deus Ex in particular, a game where you do shoot, in first person.

[Futo Tora]

Very atmospheric, but not immersive sim at all.

[Samz]

Yeah people do throw the term around too much.
It's dumb because a game can be good and have some more choice than usual but it doesn't suddenly become an im sim.

[mouth]

No one ever called Kingpin an immersive sim. I'd barely classify Bioshock as an immersive sim too. Deus Ex yes, absolutely. Thief, no doubt. System Shock, you betcha. Dishonored, Prey, Deathloop, check check check. Kingping an immersive sim, said no one ever.

[frostdiamond]

Originally posted by mouth:

No one ever called Kingpin an immersive sim. I'd barely classify Bioshock as an immersive sim too. Deus Ex yes, absolutely. Thief, no doubt. System Shock, you betcha. Dishonored, Prey, Deathloop, check check check. Kingping an immersive sim, said no one ever.

Said their own store description.

[mouth]

Originally posted by frostdiamond:

Originally posted by mouth:

No one ever called Kingpin an immersive sim. I'd barely classify Bioshock as an immersive sim too. Deus Ex yes, absolutely. Thief, no doubt. System Shock, you betcha. Dishonored, Prey, Deathloop, check check check. Kingping an immersive sim, said no one ever.

Said their own store description.

I see now, "immersive sim elements". For sure that's a stretch. Funny that even their dev on this thread said it's not an immersive sim.

[andromaccus]

Originally posted by Deatheye:

Thief is no FPS.

FPS I would call immersive sims are like Deus Ex, Half Life, BioShock, Tarkov, Stalker, Metro.

HL is not immersive at all

[Rico Raccoon]

Half-Life is definitely not a immersive sim, it's more like a cinematic story shooter.
Stalker is a open-world RPG. and Tarkov, idk what that is never cared about it, its VR?

Bioshock is inspired by system shock 2, so definitely an immersive sim, same with Thief, Deux Ex, and even Strife. Kingpin is just a boomer shooter with a little more depth.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡]

They stick this tag onto everything these days...

[Deatheye]

Originally posted by andros:

Originally posted by Deatheye:

Thief is no FPS.

FPS I would call immersive sims are like Deus Ex, Half Life, BioShock, Tarkov, Stalker, Metro.

HL is not immersive at all

That's on you then.

[Gromuhl]

Originally posted by Rico Raccoon:

Bioshock is inspired by system shock 2, so definitely an immersive sim, same with Thief, Deux Ex, and even Strife. Kingpin is just a boomer shooter with a little more depth.

Bioshock is not an immersive sim. It doesn't qualify.

from Wikipedia:
"An immersive sim (simulation) is a video game genre that emphasizes player choice. Its core, defining trait is the use of simulated systems that respond to a variety of player actions which, combined with a comparatively broad array of player abilities, allow the game to support varied and creative solutions to problems, as well as emergent gameplay beyond what has been explicitly designed by the developer.
Immersive sims by definition allow for multiple approaches, and typically incorporate elements of multiple genres, including role-playing games, stealth, first-person shooters, platform games and survival horror."

Bioshock is a linear story based shooter with mild rpg elements if you're generous. Though it could be called a "spiritual" successor to system shock doesn't make it the same genre.