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Why Is The Difficulty So Non-Linear?
Some of the Rifts are so mind-numbingly easy to close, demons not much of a threat - while demons from others destroy your entire party in a matter of seconds?

I closed one of the two Rifts at Radcliffe Farm. No sweat. A cakewalk. While trying to clear the demons from the second one, 3 party members died in less than 5 seconds. Why not have some consistency? :steamfacepalm: I will add that I'm playing on what is supposed to be the "easiest difficulty".
Last edited by Lady Aeleanor; Sep 21, 2023 @ 3:20pm
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barzai Sep 21, 2023 @ 3:36pm 
The rift at the north end is a Cat 1 Rift (level 4-7 demons) while the rift at the waterfall is a Cat 3 (level 12-15 demons).

FWIW there are a half-dozen levels of rifts which I use the shorthand above to remember and describe. Cat 1 as mentioned have level 4-7 demons (rifts scale to your level with a floor and a cap, unless you're playing with the Even Ground trial, in which case there is no cap). All the rifts in the Hinterlands are Cat 1 except for the one at the southeastern corner of the map--beyond the place where you encounter Speaker Anais and Lord Berand--which is Cat 2 (level 8-11), and three Cat 3 (level 12-15) rifts: the aforementioned rift just east of Redcliffe Farms at the waterfall, and the two in Hafter's Woods.

As you progress to more challenging areas the mix will change. The toughest rifts in the core game are Cat 5 (level 20-23) which are only to be found in the Emprise, and the very toughest are in the Frostback Basin which was a DLC: those rifts are Cat 5 and Cat 6 (level 24-27).

Even if the rifts are a certain level their difficulty level can be quite variable. For example the Cat 3 in the cave at the southwestern corner of Hafter's Woods is definitely tougher than the other two Hinterlands Cat 3 rifts. That's partly owing to the layout of the battleground and partly owing to the nature of the demons it summons.

Also, some of the higher-level rifts have different demons they can summon, some harder than others, and so there's an element of luck involved as well. I just polished off the two Cat 5 rifts in the Emprise and I got my butt kicked badly the first couple tries and then finally I managed to draw a slightly more forgiving mix of adversaries and prevailed. Whew! :-)

All of this is covered in great detail in the Dragon Age wiki. This links specifically to the Hinterlands group of rifts:

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Quests_(Inquisition)#Rifts_7

Hope this helps! :-)

EDIT: Here's a useful tip, and not just for demons but for adversaries more generally--if a monster has a red skull on their avatar, you're very likely to get killed in short order. The red skull denotes enemies that are (I think) four or more levels above you! So if you find yourself in a battle with those kinda enemies, I urgently recommend retreat! :-)
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Lady Aeleanor Sep 21, 2023 @ 4:58pm 
Hi, and thanks for the detailed info. Yes, you're right - there were at least 2 demons that spawned in that Rift that had red skulls. At first, I thought my ranged characters would be able to hold their own and wear them down, but more spawned right on top of them, before I could even think. Would it be better strategy to grind up a level or two (maybe more), and perhaps glean some better weapons and armour before tackling that Rift again?

One thing I have found with this game is the inability to be able to switch weapons on the fly. It should be possible for my Rogue to switch from the bow to high damage (double what the bow delivers) dual daggers when demons spawn in at close quarters. A bow is of little use when enemies are meleeing your character.
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barzai Sep 21, 2023 @ 6:26pm 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Hi, and thanks for the detailed info. Yes, you're right - there were at least 2 demons that spawned in that Rift that had red skulls. At first, I thought my ranged characters would be able to hold their own and wear them down, but more spawned right on top of them, before I could even think. Would it be better strategy to grind up a level or two (maybe more), and perhaps glean some better weapons and armour before tackling that Rift again?

One thing I have found with this game is the inability to be able to switch weapons on the fly. It should be possible for my Rogue to switch from the bow to high damage (double what the bow delivers) dual daggers when demons spawn in at close quarters. A bow is of little use when enemies are meleeing your character.

I prefer to tackle enemies when I'm no more than a couple levels below them. I have quite a lot of experience in the game and I generally play on Nightmare now, but for the Cat 3 Redcliffe Farms rift, I generally don't go after it until I'm around level 9-10. The open-air Hafter's Woods rift I can take at around level 10-11, and the one at the back of the cave I generally can't beat until i'm around level 11-12.

The issue is that everything in the game's combat system is ultimately level-driven. More levels means more hit points, more skills, and better gear. Better gear means more powerful skills since virtually every active (damage) skill is a multiple of your basic weapon damage. So every level you get improves your capabilities across the board.

As far as the inability to change weapons--or anything else--during combat, I expect it was a balancing decision. Rogues are actually super-powerful once you figure out how to run them--the stabby rogues in particular are just killing machines, though of course they're kinda fragile. But you have your stealth capabilities to help with that.

If I'm playing a twanger rogue, I generally go for the multishot-with-jumpback skill, I forget what it's called, that's on the left-hand side of the skill tree. Add in the go-into-stealth-when-you-shoot upgrade and you become virtually untouchable.

Another somewhat non-obvious Rogue skill is Poisoned Weapons with the recover-HP upgrade. That keeps you in the game without the need for constant potion-chugging, especially early on.

If I'm playing a rogue, when I get to Haven I respec and go for those skills, sometimes without even putting anything in Stealth. It's three skill points to get the shooty skill and another two for the improved Poisoned Weapons skill. Since you start with three skill points--Stealth, Long Shot and Caltrops--you only need another two skill points to make this build if you respec. So you can do this at Level 3.

If you're playing at normal XP progression--i.e. not with Take It Slow--you should easily make Level 3--possibly even level 4--while soaking up all those bits of 50XP lore lying around. Don't forget you can break into all those locked areas below the Chantry and pick up some extras other classes can't get access to.

If I have a skill point to spare I put it in the basic Stealth capability. After that I work my way from Poisoned Weapons down the left-hand side of the Sabotage tree until I get to Toxic Cloud with the Lost In the Mist upgrade, which takes another four skill points. At that point you become almost unkillable as a twanger rogue.
Last edited by barzai; Sep 21, 2023 @ 6:34pm
Lady Aeleanor Sep 21, 2023 @ 7:15pm 
Thanks for the insight. Another thing I was wondering about was how to transfer items (weapons, armor etc) between party members. I usually use my main character to loot with, and she gets a lot of items that the Warrior or Mage could use. I suppose, I could switch to The Warrior or Mage when I see the loot is gear that they could use, but I wondered if there's an easier way?
barzai Sep 21, 2023 @ 9:02pm 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Thanks for the insight. Another thing I was wondering about was how to transfer items (weapons, armor etc) between party members. I usually use my main character to loot with, and she gets a lot of items that the Warrior or Mage could use. I suppose, I could switch to The Warrior or Mage when I see the loot is gear that they could use, but I wondered if there's an easier way?

Since it's a shared inventory, you can switch between characters right from the inventory screen. With a controller it's up or down on the D-pad. Dunno what it is if you're using KB/M, but you should be able to find out from the key-bindings submenu in the options. Obviously if you want to switch an equipped item between characters you need to unequip it first.

I should add that D-pad up/down allows you to switch between characters anytime, not just in the inventory screen. You can do it in the skills menu for example, or when you're running around--you'll need to do it if you need, e.g. a Barrier to be zapped (mage) or a wall to be busted down (warrior).

There's other ways to give orders to your other party members using the TactiCam, but I almost never use it myself: the only regular use I make of it is if I want everyone to chug a Regen portion before or during a big fight.

You can even switch between characters using the D-pad when you're in combat. In fact as you will discover if your controlled character goes down during a fight the game will automagically switch you to whoever is just below you in the order! :-)
Lady Aeleanor Sep 23, 2023 @ 6:41am 
Just as an update, I did some other quests, leveled up a couple of times, got some improved gear - and that, combined with a "luck of the draw" situation, with the Rift generating less difficult Demons, I was able to destroy the Demons and close the Rift. No party members deaths.:steamhappy:
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barzai Sep 23, 2023 @ 6:50am 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Just as an update, I did some other quests, leveled up a couple of times, got some improved gear - and that, combined with a "luck of the draw" situation, with the Rift generating less difficult Demons, I was able to destroy the Demons and close the Rift. No party members deaths.:steamhappy:

Glad to hear it! :-) If there's anything else you'd like to ask, I'm here to help. :steamhappy:
Lady Aeleanor Sep 23, 2023 @ 10:35am 
Originally posted by barzai:
Glad to hear it! :-) If there's anything else you'd like to ask, I'm here to help. :steamhappy:
Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
frostyshad Sep 23, 2023 @ 10:56am 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Some of the Rifts are so mind-numbingly easy to close, demons not much of a threat - while demons from others destroy your entire party in a matter of seconds?

I closed one of the two Rifts at Radcliffe Farm. No sweat. A cakewalk. While trying to clear the demons from the second one, 3 party members died in less than 5 seconds. Why not have some consistency? :steamfacepalm: I will add that I'm playing on what is supposed to be the "easiest difficulty".
Rifts spawning not always the same demons but they divided by difficulty. Same difficulty Rifts can spawn different demons after you reload the game, this is means to defeat Shadows is far more easily than to defeat Horrors for an example.
Pick in group 2x magician and use 2x Dispel when Rift trying to spawn more demons - easiest way to win. Of course, some demons have Barrier, do not know hot it on lower difficulty but on nightmare will all trials - Barrier is death, impossible to defeat without few Dispels.
Last edited by frostyshad; Sep 23, 2023 @ 10:57am
Lady Aeleanor Sep 23, 2023 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by barzai:
Glad to hear it! :-) If there's anything else you'd like to ask, I'm here to help. :steamhappy:
Strange thing: Just arrived at the Storm Coast, to do the "Cleaning House" quest, and headed to where some Tavinter Zealots were fighting the Iron Bull's men. They showed red, yet we couldn't damage them even the slightest bit. Is this normal? By design? Never ran into this before in the game.
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barzai Sep 23, 2023 @ 4:27pm 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Originally posted by barzai:
Glad to hear it! :-) If there's anything else you'd like to ask, I'm here to help. :steamhappy:
Strange thing: Just arrived at the Storm Coast, to do the "Cleaning House" quest, and headed to where some Tavinter Zealots were fighting the Iron Bull's men. They showed red, yet we couldn't damage them even the slightest bit. Is this normal? By design? Never ran into this before in the game.

Have you accepted the recruiting quest from the guy outside the Chantry (assuming you're still in Haven)? Otherwise I don't know what might be the issue, as I've never encountered this particular bug.
Lady Aeleanor Sep 23, 2023 @ 4:53pm 
Originally posted by barzai:
Have you accepted the recruiting quest from the guy outside the Chantry (assuming you're still in Haven)? Otherwise I don't know what might be the issue, as I've never encountered this particular bug.
Well, the quest is in my Journal, and showing as a marker at the Storm Coast. I wouldn't think I would have the quest if I hadn't accepted it from the quest-giver?

When I target one of the Tavinter Zealots, his health is down, but I think that's a result of the Iron Bull's men's damage. Nothing my party does lowers this damage any further.

UPDATE: I just found some posts on Reddit from people who had the same issue. Suggestions were to go back to the camp and rest, then try again, or try doing a repair game. However, I already tried the rest thing.

UPDATE #2: I resolved it. Turns out I have to get much closer to the Tavinter enemies before they start to take damage from my party. Which is odd, because I have always targeted enemies from a distance.
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barzai Sep 23, 2023 @ 6:31pm 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Originally posted by barzai:
Have you accepted the recruiting quest from the guy outside the Chantry (assuming you're still in Haven)? Otherwise I don't know what might be the issue, as I've never encountered this particular bug.
Well, the quest is in my Journal, and showing as a marker at the Storm Coast. I wouldn't think I would have the quest if I hadn't accepted it from the quest-giver?

When I target one of the Tavinter Zealots, his health is down, but I think that's a result of the Iron Bull's men's damage. Nothing my party does lowers this damage any further.

UPDATE: I just found some posts on Reddit from people who had the same issue. Suggestions were to go back to the camp and rest, then try again, or try doing a repair game. However, I already tried the rest thing.

UPDATE #2: I resolved it. Turns out I have to get much closer to the Tavinter enemies before they start to take damage from my party. Which is odd, because I have always targeted enemies from a distance.

Oh, I'm glad you got it sorted! :-) I'm only sorry I couldn't be more helpful... :-(

From your description it does seem you had the quest active. The guy's name is Krem and he shows up at the entrance to the Chantry in Haven right after the cutscene you get in the Chantry when you return from Val Royeaux after the encounter with the Chantry and Lord Seeker Lucius.

BTW FWIW there's a huge number of bits of lore--I lost count after thirty (!)--in Val Royeaux and--at 50XP apiece, so in excess of 1500XP--you can get most of a level just from that. Also a recruitable agent--Belle the Merchant, she's right next to you after the cutscene with Lord Seeker Lucius ends--though if you didn't get her in the moment she's gone forever. :-(

That is weird though, you are right. But for future reference, a lot of quirks in the game can be fixed by (1) saving and then reloading the save, (2) doing what you did, resting and resuming, or (3) leaving the region and then returning to it. Just so you know! :-)
barzai Sep 24, 2023 @ 6:07am 
Originally posted by forgot my name:
If you don't get close to Chargers the battle takes a lot of time and possible never ends.

It never ends. I've sometimes spoken to Krem in Haven, thus triggering the battle, and it's still going on when the game is long past that point if you don't intervene.

Admittedly I've never checked if it's still going on after the final throwdown at the Temple of Sacred Ashes, but as long as the quest is still active in your journal, it's still going on.
barzai Sep 24, 2023 @ 1:17pm 
Originally posted by forgot my name:
Originally posted by barzai:
I've never checked if it's still going on after the final throwdown at the Temple of Sacred Ashes
It doesn't. Eventually the demon is defeated by low level damage casted by companions and Leliana (which the script won't let her die). It's all to make the main character to survive at least 3 rounds of spawn to get the idea of disrupt the rift and team management.

I see I was a little too cryptic! :-) I meant, does the Chargers/Vennies thing still go on after the SECOND battle at the Temple, when you finally get rid of You-Know-Who?

But--regarding the Temple battle during the prologue--I and all the companions--along with Leli, who dies a lot since she has no potions and is often outside the radius of Barriers being cast--have died plenty of times, and that ends it. Reload time.

It almost seems like the Big Demon and his henchdemons get tougher with each respawn. Maybe he's just using that ranged AoE Lightning Whip more often? Or that similarly-ranged AoE Lightning Ball?

If you're a Warrior you can usually get the henchdemons to follow you around to the backside of the Temple and then you can kill them mano-a-mano while your henchmen keep the Big Guy busy. And with a Rogue you can use stealth to evade them. But as a mage... crikey, that can be a tough one. You just aren't tough enough to kill both shades before they kill you.

And when you're running for your life you're not able to zap the rift, and that means death for everyone.

BTW FWIW I almost never use my mark to zap rifts in the game other than during the prologue... it's just easier to keep killing the demons.

The only exception is those times a demon--usually a Despair demon--keeps running away from the fight. Then I usually stay by the rift and zap it and let the other three party members do the heavy lifting. Otherwise what happens is, all of you are outside the rift's radius when the last demon dies and then... it resets from the start! :-(

I assume that's a bug, not a feature, but it sure is annoying when it happens. Presumably it's intended to keep you from wearing down the rift little by little, but there really should have been an error trap for "zero demons left!" :-(
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