Dragon Age 4 Hope Solas Is Not The Main Bad Guy?

[pjedilord]

I think Solas as character is ok,well spoken sort of snob but why?What is
funny character we play makes fun of him for being boring I argee to. But I
def dont want him as the main bad guy,as I don't think his suited or good enoth
to pull it off? as 2nd would work, I think it be more interesting if the main
bad guy is Dumat? Corypheus seem to call him in Dragon Age 2 and 3

Never been done and would represent more dangerous threat?there were other followers
of Dumat,so they could come back to? Who should be the main bad guy Dragon Age 4?

Game makers have stopped working on Mass Effect 4 so they can work and speed the
release of Dragon Age 4

[barzai]

I'm not quite sure what you're driving at when you say Solas isn't suited or good enough to be a proper villain. For me, he's the perfect villain--his objectives are impeccably well-thought-out and reasonable, they just have the unfortunate side-effect of wiping out everyone else who stands in their way.

From that perspective Cory was a terrible villain--just another mustache-twirling, sinister-laughing bad guy. His motivations made no sense--a point harped upon in the game itself by several characters, most notably Dorian.

And of course, in the final scenes in In Hushed Whispers, it's clear that although Cory rules, he's also unraveled the fabric of reality to the extent of precipitating the end of the world.

A proper villain has to be someone who generates at least some empathy for their cause. Solas has that going for him: who could argue that we wouldn't try the same in his shoes?

And he's a largely sympathetic character throughout DAI, at least until he vanishes mysteriously after the final battle against Cory. It later becomes clear from the final scenes in Trespasser that he was helping us in support of his own agenda: but--again--let he who has never done the like cast the first brickbat.

Personally, I think the best villains are heroes who have gone past their sell-by date: as District Attorney Harvey Dent so pithily observes in The Dark Knight, "You can die as a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." That's pretty much what's happening with Solas.

As for Dumat, I think the very fact that Cory's appeal in the final moments of the battle ("Dumat ... if you exist ... if you ever truly existed ... aid me now!") apparently falls on deaf ears signifies that Dumat's dead, baby...Dumat's dead.

In any event the regnant wisdom is that the Old Gods are, in fact, the sleeping beings (Cthulhu Mythos reference: "In his house at R'lyeh, Great Cthulhu lies dreaming") who rise as Arch-Demons during a Blight. And we already did that scenario in DAO with Urthemiel as the villain. So doing that again would seem to me a bit repetitive.

[pjedilord]

Solas does not seem ideal nor right for main bad guy considing he was are
follower,it would be like having grunt etc as main bad guy for Mass Effect 4

I think its risk having Solas as its not been done in any games?

Maybe Dumat thought Corypheus was not worthly to assist him in battle?or
did not want to lower himself to assist Corypheus? how many times have we seen
in films games etc when bad guy calls to hes master etc and they never come?
Dumat must be thinking if he cant beat inquisitor, not worth hes assist?or cared.

Maybe the Maker prevented from Dumat to assist in battle?Only be unfair to us.
So seems Dragon Age 4 could release next year.

[every1hasnames]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Solas does not seem ideal nor right for main bad guy considing he was are
follower,it would be like having grunt etc as main bad guy for Mass Effect 4

I think its risk having Solas as its not been done in any games?

Maybe Dumat thought Corypheus was not worthly to assist him in battle?or
did not want to lower himself to assist Corypheus? how many times have we seen
in films games etc when bad guy calls to hes master etc and they never come?
Dumat must be thinking if he cant beat inquisitor, not worth hes assist?or cared.

Maybe the Maker prevented from Dumat to assist in battle?Only be unfair to us.
So seems Dragon Age 4 could release next year.

the risk would actually be not having solas as the next main antagonist of the next game.

solas's character development, the entire events of dragon age inquisition told a story. A story that wasnt just about corypheous(again probably misspelled) and that story was solas was fen heral(probably misspelled) and setting up solas as the next main villain of the series. And making you care about Solas. Making you understand solas.

If you dont understand this story and how it would actually be a risk to not have solas as the main villain of the da4 ask and i will explain it to you. But it is not risky to have Solas as the main antagonist of da4. It would be the only thing that makes sense.



the risk would actually be solas not being the main antagonist of dragon age 4.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by every1hasnames:

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Solas does not seem ideal nor right for main bad guy considing he was are
follower,it would be like having grunt etc as main bad guy for Mass Effect 4

I think its risk having Solas as its not been done in any games?

Maybe Dumat thought Corypheus was not worthly to assist him in battle?or
did not want to lower himself to assist Corypheus? how many times have we seen
in films games etc when bad guy calls to hes master etc and they never come?
Dumat must be thinking if he cant beat inquisitor, not worth hes assist?or cared.

Maybe the Maker prevented from Dumat to assist in battle?Only be unfair to us.
So seems Dragon Age 4 could release next year.

the risk would actually be not having solas as the next main antagonist of the next game.

solas's character development, the entire events of dragon age inquisition told a story. A story that wasnt just about corypheous(again probably misspelled) and that story was solas was fen heral(probably misspelled) and setting up solas as the next main villain of the series. And making you care about Solas. Making you understand solas.

If you dont understand this story and how it would actually be a risk to not have solas as the main villain of the da4 ask and i will explain it to you. But it is not risky to have Solas as the main antagonist of da4. It would be the only thing that makes sense.



the risk would actually be solas not being the main antagonist of dragon age 4.

Do people care that much for solas? i like him but he cares more about his people
than are people, so why should we care for him and hes people? more so if hes
going to be threat to are world?He wanted things how they ended for his cause more.

[every1hasnames]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Originally posted by every1hasnames:

the risk would actually be not having solas as the next main antagonist of the next game.

solas's character development, the entire events of dragon age inquisition told a story. A story that wasnt just about corypheous(again probably misspelled) and that story was solas was fen heral(probably misspelled) and setting up solas as the next main villain of the series. And making you care about Solas. Making you understand solas.

If you dont understand this story and how it would actually be a risk to not have solas as the main villain of the da4 ask and i will explain it to you. But it is not risky to have Solas as the main antagonist of da4. It would be the only thing that makes sense.



the risk would actually be solas not being the main antagonist of dragon age 4.

Do people care that much for solas? i like him but he cares more about his people
than are people, so why should we care for him and hes people? more so if hes
going to be threat to are world?He wanted things how they ended for his cause more.

yes people like and care for solas. as much as one can care about a character in a video game anyways.


yes he cares about his people. in reality so do you. meaning you would care about your own people over others.


for example. Hypothetical scenerio. a member of your family is laying across a railroad track unconcious after fainting. a perfect stranger to you also faints on ion the rail road tracks at the same time. A train is coming and is getting close. You only have time to save one of them.


your going to save your family member. Its human nature. you will pick and take care of the person or people who you actually know and care about over perfect strangers.


If there was another species of intelligent life on earth equal in intelligence to humans. humans would care more about humans then they do that other species.


If aliens come to earth. HUmans will care more about humans then they do the aliens.
Its nature. Its instinct. You care more for your own people then you do others. Its both natural and an inevitibility. Its something you will not be able to help when ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan so to speak.



cooperation with each other is both a necessity and something everyone should strive fore. But ultimately you place your own people above others.


another example. If one of your family members were starving and I myself was starving. You have food you can spare. but only enough to help either your family member or me.


your going to give food to your family member. Im a perfect stranger to you.

that doesnt mean you dont care that im starving to death. It just means im a perfect stranger and you care more about your family member because ofcourse you do.

now solas is written to destroy the world in order to help his people. That is going to far. destroying the world and all other races on it. is going to far to help his own people.


but his motives is understandable.his motives arent inherently evil. His motive is to help his people. What he is going to do to achieve his goal is what is evil.


the evil is the length in which he is willing to go to help his people.


but everyone can understand his feelings and motives behind his goals.

can you not understand why he would want to help his people? and understand why he cares more about his own people over others now?


The reason why he is the main antagonist in the next game isnt because he wants to help his people. it isnt because he cares more about his people over other races in the games universe.


the reason he is the villain in the next game. is because he is going to go to far to help his own people.


because what he is going to do to help his own people. destroys all the other people in the world of the game. Which sets up why you as the player is suppose to now be against solas and fight him in the next game to stop him.

[barzai]

@every1hasnames, I am in total agreement with you except for one point: when we say that Solas wants what's best for his people, how do we know that what he wants is actually what's best for them?

I mean...Cory claimed to want what was best for HIS people, the Tevinter Imperium: and Dorian responds to that by saying that the idea Cory has of the Tevs hasn't existed for a thousand years.

With the elves, it's much worse: we know from the lore that the city elves are completely deracinated from their heritage, and the Dalish aren't much better. And bear in mind--no matter how bad things are for them, they're what they know.

Solas wants to cast all that aside in favor of restoring the Elven empire as it existed before the Veil. Gonna go out on a bit of a limb here, but I'm guessing that many of the Elvish wouldn't be OK with that--and those that consider it might rethink their acquiescence when they discover that the world as they know it goes into the trash if they agree.

To use your own metaphor, if you could restore you and your family to your (alleged) position as rulers of the universe, but you had to agree to a mass slaughter to achieve it, would you be on board? I mean, we are now in Thanos territory, right? Snap your fingers and half the universe dies?

That's what makes Solas so convincing as a prospective villain. He has a superficially-plausible idea, but on closer scrutiny it's a literal holocaust. That's a guy who has to be stopped, regardless of the cost. And thus--the perfect bad guy!

[every1hasnames]

Originally posted by barzai:

@every1hasnames, I am in total agreement with you except for one point: when we say that Solas wants what's best for his people, how do we know that what he wants is actually what's best for them?

I mean...Cory claimed to want what was best for HIS people, the Tevinter Imperium: and Dorian responds to that by saying that the idea Cory has of the Tevs hasn't existed for a thousand years.

With the elves, it's much worse: we know from the lore that the city elves are completely deracinated from their heritage, and the Dalish aren't much better. And bear in mind--no matter how bad things are for them, they're what they know.

Solas wants to cast all that aside in favor of restoring the Elven empire as it existed before the Veil. Gonna go out on a bit of a limb here, but I'm guessing that many of the Elvish wouldn't be OK with that--and those that consider it might rethink their acquiescence when they discover that the world as they know it goes into the trash if they agree.

To use your own metaphor, if you could restore you and your family to your (alleged) position as rulers of the universe, but you had to agree to a mass slaughter to achieve it, would you be on board? I mean, we are now in Thanos territory, right? Snap your fingers and half the universe dies?

That's what makes Solas so convincing as a prospective villain. He has a superficially-plausible idea, but on closer scrutiny it's a literal holocaust. That's a guy who has to be stopped, regardless of the cost. And thus--the perfect bad guy!

agreed. when i said solas motives is to help his people. I wasnt intending to portray that in manner which is saying that it would. i only intended in saying that solas thinks it would. he believes he is helping his people.



which is no different then anything we as humans do. We as humans in real life. make policies, laws etc because we believe they will do good.



but quite often we dont actually know if it will actually turn out to be a good thing.


there have been many laws made by humans with the full belief that is for good. and it turns out to be bad. theres been many policies made to help but turns out all it did is hurt.



and theres many laws humans are arguing and fighting with each other to this very day and most likely will always be fighting over.



for example a couple of subjects that laws have been made and passed in the united states that most likely will always be fought over.


abortion. one side will argue womans body womans choice feminist movement. women empowerment, their not alive yet. etc. the other killing life. murder. Women shouldnt have the right to kill a life simply because of a poor decision when having sex.

and even still theres the side of people who believe abortion should be illegal except for a couple of exceptions. rape, incest.



gun control. one side usa constitution grants the god given right to own weapons, protection from those that may do harm, the power to fight a tyranical government. the other sees gun control as an absolute necessity. That citizens are able to acquire weapons to easily, there are to many weapons available, to many crimes committed, to many deaths by gun violence.



So how do we know what helps and what doesnt? Personally i believe we dont actually know a vast majority of the time. and just do out best.

The best humans have done in terms of this is a handful of laws.


murder, stealing, rape, pedophiles, owning slaves because of a persons skin. sex slaves, human trafficking and some more.

but the list of things we know to be absolutely wrong is rather short if you reall think about it.



at any rate. I agree with what you said at . your right. what solas wants to do doesnt actually help his people. But even we humans get confused about big questions like this.






hope that clarifies my meaning better. My only meaning when i say solas wants to help his own people. is simply that. He wants to help his own people. That doesnt mean what he wants to do to help his people actually does.


It just means solas believes it will.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by every1hasnames:

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Do people care that much for solas? i like him but he cares more about his people
than are people, so why should we care for him and hes people? more so if hes
going to be threat to are world?He wanted things how they ended for his cause more.

yes people like and care for solas. as much as one can care about a character in a video game anyways.


yes he cares about his people. in reality so do you. meaning you would care about your own people over others.


for example. Hypothetical scenerio. a member of your family is laying across a railroad track unconcious after fainting. a perfect stranger to you also faints on ion the rail road tracks at the same time. A train is coming and is getting close. You only have time to save one of them.


your going to save your family member. Its human nature. you will pick and take care of the person or people who you actually know and care about over perfect strangers.


If there was another species of intelligent life on earth equal in intelligence to humans. humans would care more about humans then they do that other species.


If aliens come to earth. HUmans will care more about humans then they do the aliens.
Its nature. Its instinct. You care more for your own people then you do others. Its both natural and an inevitibility. Its something you will not be able to help when ♥♥♥♥ hits the fan so to speak.



cooperation with each other is both a necessity and something everyone should strive fore. But ultimately you place your own people above others.


another example. If one of your family members were starving and I myself was starving. You have food you can spare. but only enough to help either your family member or me.


your going to give food to your family member. Im a perfect stranger to you.

that doesnt mean you dont care that im starving to death. It just means im a perfect stranger and you care more about your family member because ofcourse you do.

now solas is written to destroy the world in order to help his people. That is going to far. destroying the world and all other races on it. is going to far to help his own people.


but his motives is understandable.his motives arent inherently evil. His motive is to help his people. What he is going to do to achieve his goal is what is evil.


the evil is the length in which he is willing to go to help his people.


but everyone can understand his feelings and motives behind his goals.

can you not understand why he would want to help his people? and understand why he cares more about his own people over others now?


The reason why he is the main antagonist in the next game isnt because he wants to help his people. it isnt because he cares more about his people over other races in the games universe.


the reason he is the villain in the next game. is because he is going to go to far to help his own people.


because what he is going to do to help his own people. destroys all the other people in the world of the game. Which sets up why you as the player is suppose to now be against solas and fight him in the next game to stop him.

Originally posted by barzai:

@every1hasnames, I am in total agreement with you except for one point: when we say that Solas wants what's best for his people, how do we know that what he wants is actually what's best for them?

I mean...Cory claimed to want what was best for HIS people, the Tevinter Imperium: and Dorian responds to that by saying that the idea Cory has of the Tevs hasn't existed for a thousand years.

With the elves, it's much worse: we know from the lore that the city elves are completely deracinated from their heritage, and the Dalish aren't much better. And bear in mind--no matter how bad things are for them, they're what they know.

Solas wants to cast all that aside in favor of restoring the Elven empire as it existed before the Veil. Gonna go out on a bit of a limb here, but I'm guessing that many of the Elvish wouldn't be OK with that--and those that consider it might rethink their acquiescence when they discover that the world as they know it goes into the trash if they agree.

To use your own metaphor, if you could restore you and your family to your (alleged) position as rulers of the universe, but you had to agree to a mass slaughter to achieve it, would you be on board? I mean, we are now in Thanos territory, right? Snap your fingers and half the universe dies?

That's what makes Solas so convincing as a prospective villain. He has a superficially-plausible idea, but on closer scrutiny it's a literal holocaust. That's a guy who has to be stopped, regardless of the cost. And thus--the perfect bad guy!

Sure he wants to get revenge for what happen to his people by destroying the world
as punishment, going to far. Solas people want not want him to destroy the world?

[volourn]

Solas isn't reasonable. He's evil. He's sexist, racist, rapist, murderer, genocider, scumbag piece of crap dictator. He is zero morals, and is beyond selfish. He's ignorant, dumb, pathetic, gaslighter, liar, piece of trash.

[barzai]

Originally posted by volourn:

Solas isn't reasonable. He's evil. He's sexist, racist, rapist, murderer, genocider, scumbag piece of crap dictator. He is zero morals, and is beyond selfish. He's ignorant, dumb, pathetic, gaslighter, liar, piece of trash.

Dude...don't hold back. Tell us what you really think!