The Worst Dragon Age

[Clientofwar]

This game is a prime example of what can go wrong in a game by simplifying it and making it dumbed down and easier for console
gamers. It's like the horrible UI in Skyrim, which was made for consoles and not PC gamers.

For starters, the entire tactical-ness that was Dragon Age: Origins is completely gone. You can't queue up abilities anymore, you can't give advanced tactics, and everything feels dumbed down to make it more "accessible" for the average console gamer.

In Orgins we had a in depth tactics menu where you could assign an ally to use a certain ability when a condition was met. Like an ally suddenly dropping below 50% hp, or when an ally used a certain ability it would then use the assigned tactic to combo with what was just used. Where did our advanced tactics go?

Now all we have is a wonky "tactical" mode that lets us use one ability at a time for each character. Most characters require micro managing to even last longer than 10 seconds on the harder difficulties, like Nightmare. Rogues will generally face stab enemies and then quickly fall down like an old person tripping over their own feet.

Harder modes just mean enemies do more damage and have more health. Instead of being smarter and doing more advanced stuff like in Origins. Origins was such a great game. Yet with each game they strayed away from the concept and made it in to something resembling an action rpg

The overall Inquisition experience doesn't feel anything like the previous two games. Sure Dragon age II wasn't the best game. But it still had a more in depth combat system that rewarded players for being tactical and making use of the more turn based system.

I just want to know what the developers were thinking by removing the tactical system that made Origins so good. Must have said something like "Let's make a game so simple that even a monkey could play it". I'd rather play Minesweeper than this dumbed down garbage.

[esbvb09]

So do I.
I played all three DA Games and I loved each of them. Each for different reasons, but I loved them.

[fertge2]

Publicado originalmente por Sir Samuel Vimes:

Publicado originalmente por Clientofwar:

Just proving a point on how irrelevant your comments are about old games.

DA:O started out good and is still considered one of the best RPGs of all time. You can't just disregard the impact it made when it was first released.

By you saying "you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd" is you essentially saying the game was bad to begin with, contradicting everything positive you said afterwards about the game.

You and many others are blinded by todays super streamlined, dumbed down, and hand holding games that you can't see what a massive turd DA:I is.

No one said it was bad to begin with, if you could read you'd see he said the opposite
But it's bad now , that's the point .
We get it though, you hate DOI , so why spend so much time in it's forums?

Just move on, or in your case move back 10yrs lol

Origins had it's day, It's still there for people who can't handle more modern games and that's good, so go play it

EDIT:
Pretty pathetic to run to skyrim as a defence for origins btw , what was that all about ?

Yeah, this whole discussion feels like some fragile snowflake is throwing a temper tantrum because a game is different from another game which he claims he likes.
A rational person would NOT throw a temper tantrum and simply ignore this game and play whatever games he/she likes.
Besides, if the guy likes PC as a platform, then he should know that the strenght of the PC platform is its extreme variety of options and the ability to make plenty of choices, which is what makes it superior to any console, who are restricted platforms.

Although the lack of moddability in this game is not something i like, ideally all games should be as moddable as Skyrim is. I mean, i would love to add more character costumization options, such are more hair styles or more armors/weapons as i could in Skyrim.
Ironically enough, Skyrim is frequently cited by some people as a bad game because it needs to be modded to be more than a shallow experience.

It's the same with halo boomers who are now crying and demanding Halo infinite be delayed because at launch forge and campaign coop are not going to present( and 343 already confirmed that they would be released later in a month or so), as if all other players who care only about multi player or single player campaign have to wait because some infantile crybabies can't get all of what they want.
And we have to remember that Halo Infinite multiplayer is Free to Play, so in the end those that want that can simply wait and purchase the campaign later.

Publicado originalmente por Nito:

DAO isn't ♥♥♥♥ not even on this year but it without a doubt runs like ♥♥♥♥ not even ME1 that uses the same engine crashes that much and has those dialogue loops

Funny i have literally beaten DAI for the first time yesterday after 3 tries and i don't regret dropping all 3 times

The main quest is literally 5 to 7 quests that last 10~20 minutes each(and the only good one is the one that you go to the palace) while the war council is a ridiculous waiting game add that to the ridiculous huge and void maps like Hinterlands, Hissing Wastes and Emerald Graves walk, walk and walk go after Fragments and some more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Every dragon fight is literally the same thing with(oops it varies in 2 one the dragon don't fly and the other it does) same moves only different element

The Villain building is ♥♥♥♥

Every fight is you spamming the 4 same spells/skills whenever possible

The Skyhold upgrades are a joke, Collecting materials you don't need or herbs that you might need but isn't worth the time

And yet the biggest choice of the game is mage or templars AGAIN

it is sad that a game wastes 60 hours of your time with ♥♥♥♥ like that i had more fun doing the companions side quest for the final 5 hours that in the whole other 55 hours

Errr, you can pretty much ignore the side quests and only do the main quests or you can download the mod that makes war table operations instant, since you are on PC.
I don't think you have to be a genius to realize that on PC, if there's a problem you have, you'll likely find a solution for such a problem, especially a trivial problem such as this one.

Is it necessary to throw a temper tantrum? If you don't like a game, don't buy it and don't play it.

Just like in dark souls i spam soul spear or resonant soul or great fireball, just like in dragon dogma i spam holy focused bolt or great cannon, it's almost like it is an ability focused rpg, who could have guessed?

That plot point was established in the previous entry and now it is concluded here, what's the issue again?

And the rest is just subjective opinions, which are meaningless.
I see you have quite a problem with objective sound arguments.

[Nito]

Publicado originalmente por fertge2:

Publicado originalmente por Nito:

DAO isn't ♥♥♥♥ not even on this year but it without a doubt runs like ♥♥♥♥ not even ME1 that uses the same engine crashes that much and has those dialogue loops

Funny i have literally beaten DAI for the first time yesterday after 3 tries and i don't regret dropping all 3 times

The main quest is literally 5 to 7 quests that last 10~20 minutes each(and the only good one is the one that you go to the palace) while the war council is a ridiculous waiting game add that to the ridiculous huge and void maps like Hinterlands, Hissing Wastes and Emerald Graves walk, walk and walk go after Fragments and some more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Every dragon fight is literally the same thing with(oops it varies in 2 one the dragon don't fly and the other it does) same moves only different element

The Villain building is ♥♥♥♥

Every fight is you spamming the 4 same spells/skills whenever possible

The Skyhold upgrades are a joke, Collecting materials you don't need or herbs that you might need but isn't worth the time

And yet the biggest choice of the game is mage or templars AGAIN

it is sad that a game wastes 60 hours of your time with ♥♥♥♥ like that i had more fun doing the companions side quest for the final 5 hours that in the whole other 55 hours

Errr, you can pretty much ignore the side quests and only do the main quests or you can download the mod that makes war table operations instant, since you are on PC.
I don't think you have to be a genius to realize that on PC, if there's a problem you have, you'll likely find a solution for such a problem, especially a trivial problem such as this one.

Is it necessary to throw a temper tantrum? If you don't like a game, don't buy it and don't play it.

Just like in dark souls i spam soul spear or resonant soul or great fireball, just like in dragon dogma i spam holy focused bolt or great cannon, it's almost like it is an ability focused rpg, who could have guessed?

That plot point was established in the previous entry and now it is concluded here, what's the issue again?

And the rest is just subjective opinions, which are meaningless.
I see you have quite a problem with objective sound arguments.

Yes let's buy a full game to do only the main quest brilliant that is literally 5 hours of game on a RPG, So i just need to wait for someone to randomly fix games that is another brilliant argument

Temper tantrum saying a bad game is bad who could imagine it

Diference is at least on Dark Souls you are either strategizing the when not the how unless you are using ghosts then it is not the game fault you are a casul i would see no difference as buying a dlc to get the best gear and level

No, that point would be the main plot originally now we have a dead(somehow revived because he didn't have the dragon) darkspawn magister that we really don't get anything about him and how he has a archdemon or pseudoarchdemon and the whole conflict of mage and templars that was one of best grey area conflicts of DA ended in literally one page on the epilogue let me remind you that without the dlc there was literally no end after that pathetic final battle they just returned to Skyhold and ♥♥♥♥ everything the end

You have a problem in the brain you literally don't have one

[Nomad]

It's got nothing to do with console gamers. Considering FF12 was made for consoles and the gambit system was just as advanced as DA:O tactics system. This is just EA being EA, nothing to do with consoles.

[Ancient Lich]

OP complains about tactics but they're barely of any use in DAO and DA2

[Nito]

Publicado originalmente por Xiao Xiao:

OP complains about tactics but they're barely of any use in DAO and DA2

On DA2 it is done automatically in have to do at least once and they are good

On DAI completely uncostomizable dude just stand there in a dragon breath like "i don't give a damn"

[fertge2]

Publicado originalmente por Nito:

Publicado originalmente por fertge2:

Errr, you can pretty much ignore the side quests and only do the main quests or you can download the mod that makes war table operations instant, since you are on PC.
I don't think you have to be a genius to realize that on PC, if there's a problem you have, you'll likely find a solution for such a problem, especially a trivial problem such as this one.

Is it necessary to throw a temper tantrum? If you don't like a game, don't buy it and don't play it.

Just like in dark souls i spam soul spear or resonant soul or great fireball, just like in dragon dogma i spam holy focused bolt or great cannon, it's almost like it is an ability focused rpg, who could have guessed?

That plot point was established in the previous entry and now it is concluded here, what's the issue again?

And the rest is just subjective opinions, which are meaningless.
I see you have quite a problem with objective sound arguments.

Yes let's buy a full game to do only the main quest brilliant that is literally 5 hours of game on a RPG, So i just need to wait for someone to randomly fix games that is another brilliant argument

Temper tantrum saying a bad game is bad who could imagine it

Diference is at least on Dark Souls you are either strategizing the when not the how unless you are using ghosts then it is not the game fault you are a casul i would see no difference as buying a dlc to get the best gear and level

No, that point would be the main plot originally now we have a dead(somehow revived because he didn't have the dragon) darkspawn magister that we really don't get anything about him and how he has a archdemon or pseudoarchdemon and the whole conflict of mage and templars that was one of best grey area conflicts of DA ended in literally one page on the epilogue let me remind you that without the dlc there was literally no end after that pathetic final battle they just returned to Skyhold and ♥♥♥♥ everything the end

You have a problem in the brain you literally don't have one

According to your logic every sidequest is material designed to pad out the game.
For example: the Winterhold college in Skyrim, the Thieves guild, the companions, the various dungeons never visited during the main quest? It's side content designed to pad out the game, according to your logic.

The covenants in dark souls? Side content designed to pad out the game.
The various areas in Dragon Dogma not visited by the main quest? Content designed to pad out the game.

It's your logic, kiddo.

You're just repeating buzzwords you barely understand.

Read again: i said temper tantrum is saying "muh game bad because it is different than another older game he/she liked", because that's the essence of this drivel, it is bad in objective facts, in reality, but it is based in the inability to accept that a game is different and can't accept he/she doesn't like a game. It's a temper tantrum because this drivel is based on infantile emotion.
An adult person would simply view the gameplay, see if it interests him and then if it doesn't, simply ignore the game as i would have done when i did research on wherever i should buy this game, since i saw the game of the year edition on sale for 1/4 of its price.
I also viewed gameplay video of origins, however that game didn't pick my interest so i didn't buy it.
What i didn't do( and what adults don't do) is come there to whine about the game not being of my liking.

Except the mod is already here and it is your fault for buying game on day one, especially on PC when you know mods are available and sales are plentyful.
You have a somewhat console peasanty mindset,kiddo.

You truly are a casual? Strategize what? Just learn the pattern of the bosses and act accordingly. Research their patterns on the internet and you're done or simply just powerlevel and bruteforce your way through, which is much more hardcore than bashing your head against a wal... sorry,"strategizing". You're not "strategizing", it's a matter of learning to memorizing. And once you memorize, the game is easy( not that it is a bad thing, it is the correct thing that a game gets easier when it is mastered).

It is explained in other entries that he survived by possessing the other grey wardens.
It is explained that that thing is a blight corrupted dragon, not an archdemon.

There's no grey area between oppressors and oppressed: the mages are in the right and the templars are wrong and deserve to be all exterminated(it's always a pleasure to spill templar blood), just like the Chantry, a racist bigoted organization, needs to be destroyed and its clergy butchered, the world will be a much better world when it will be washed with the blood of the parasites of the Chantry.
It is one of the main reasons why hardened Leliana is the best divine, since she will supress an attempted revolt by reactionaries by killing them. Good, i approve of that, reactionaries being massacred is always a pleasure to the eye.

As for the conflict between them( mages are the right side, keep that in mind) is pretty much resolved when you either go to deal with Alexius or Denam and is definitely resolved in the epilogue of the main game.

And yet i am able to make coherent logical arguments based on objective facts which is more than can be said about you.

Publicado originalmente por TRASH:

It's got nothing to do with console gamers. Considering FF12 was made for consoles and the gambit system was just as advanced as DA:O tactics system. This is just EA being EA, nothing to do with consoles.

Dragon age origins also released on consoles.

[Nomad]

Yeah but it had different gameplay to PC. I think you couldn't pause combat and had easier combat or something? I can't remember but there were some differences between the versions.

[Clientofwar]

Publicado originalmente por TRASH:

It's got nothing to do with console gamers. Considering FF12 was made for consoles and the gambit system was just as advanced as DA:O tactics system. This is just EA being EA, nothing to do with consoles.

Has everything to do with console gamers. Simpletons and 10 year olds who cry about games being to hard or complex are the reason developers dumb down games and simplfy UI systems to make it easier for controllers to navigate.

This is the reason Skyrim, Oblivion, and other games have a UI 100% made for controllers, and require mods to make it better for mouse and keyboard users.

And no, I wasn't talking about the game being made for Consoles only. I was talking about the way developers make games designed for consoles. Meaning simple UI's, generally a circle wheel to select items/powers/weapons, etc. Menus are generally massive and designed around hitting RB/LB to cycle menu tabs, and having simple game mechanics that don't require much multitasking. Generally console games designed around controller schemes are much more simple than their PC counterparts.

Publicado originalmente por Xiao Xiao:

OP complains about tactics but they're barely of any use in DAO and DA2

Clearly don't know how to play DA:O if you don't use the tactics. You can literally create unique commands to make your teammates do something based on a spell or command used. Move here when ally uses this spell, cast this when an ally casts that to combo, etc.

Don't try and talk bad about a system you never used.

Publicado originalmente por fertge2:

Yeah, this whole discussion feels like some fragile snowflake is throwing a temper tantrum because a game is different from another game which he claims he likes.
A rational person would NOT throw a temper tantrum and simply ignore this game and play whatever games he/she likes.
Besides, if the guy likes PC as a platform, then he should know that the strenght of the PC platform is its extreme variety of options and the ability to make plenty of choices, which is what makes it superior to any console, who are restricted platforms.

Although the lack of moddability in this game is not something i like, ideally all games should be as moddable as Skyrim is. I mean, i would love to add more character costumization options, such are more hair styles or more armors/weapons as i could in Skyrim.
Ironically enough, Skyrim is frequently cited by some people as a bad game because it needs to be modded to be more than a shallow experience.

It's the same with halo boomers who are now crying and demanding Halo infinite be delayed because at launch forge and campaign coop are not going to present( and 343 already confirmed that they would be released later in a month or so), as if all other players who care only about multi player or single player campaign have to wait because some infantile crybabies can't get all of what they want.
And we have to remember that Halo Infinite multiplayer is Free to Play, so in the end those that want that can simply wait and purchase the campaign later.

You have no idea what you're talking about it seems.

Every game can be modded, just as in-depth as Skyrim. The main reason Skyrim has so many mods and an actual system in place for mods is because how heavily modded Oblivion was. Developers saw how much people like modding their games, so they made it easier to do so.

Stop throwing around stupid ideas that you have no idea about. In the case of Halo, the playerbase is mainly kids. So you saying "boomers" is nonsensical.

Seems to me like you were just trying to jump the bandwagon that is the immature community. Why? Probably just to look cool and try to make me seem like an idiot.

I made this post to express my feelings towards a game that I feel is complete trash and gives the Dragon Age series a bad name. I didn't make the post in anger or because I was crying and wanted to rant and rave about the game.

I heard they made a digital version of Candy land. Sounds more like your type of game.

Publicado originalmente por TRASH:

Yeah but it had different gameplay to PC. I think you couldn't pause combat and had easier combat or something? I can't remember but there were some differences between the versions.

Not really. Same game, same UI, same crappy combat. Only difference was how much worse it ran on consoles than PC.

[Clientofwar]

I don't know how to talk to people properly, so I'm just going to call everyone a kid and tell them they're stupid.
-Fertge2

[Nito]

Publicado originalmente por fertge2:

According to your logic every sidequest is material designed to pad out the game.
For example: the Winterhold college in Skyrim, the Thieves guild, the companions, the various dungeons never visited during the main quest? It's side content designed to pad out the game, according to your logic.

The covenants in dark souls? Side content designed to pad out the game.
The various areas in Dragon Dogma not visited by the main quest? Content designed to pad out the game.

It's your logic, kiddo.

You're just repeating buzzwords you barely understand.

Read again: i said temper tantrum is saying "muh game bad because it is different than another older game he/she liked", because that's the essence of this drivel, it is bad in objective facts, in reality, but it is based in the inability to accept that a game is different and can't accept he/she doesn't like a game. It's a temper tantrum because this drivel is based on infantile emotion.
An adult person would simply view the gameplay, see if it interests him and then if it doesn't, simply ignore the game as i would have done when i did research on wherever i should buy this game, since i saw the game of the year edition on sale for 1/4 of its price.
I also viewed gameplay video of origins, however that game didn't pick my interest so i didn't buy it.
What i didn't do( and what adults don't do) is come there to whine about the game not being of my liking.

Except the mod is already here and it is your fault for buying game on day one, especially on PC when you know mods are available and sales are plentyful.
You have a somewhat console peasanty mindset,kiddo.

You truly are a casual? Strategize what? Just learn the pattern of the bosses and act accordingly. Research their patterns on the internet and you're done or simply just powerlevel and bruteforce your way through, which is much more hardcore than bashing your head against a wal... sorry,"strategizing". You're not "strategizing", it's a matter of learning to memorizing. And once you memorize, the game is easy( not that it is a bad thing, it is the correct thing that a game gets easier when it is mastered).

It is explained in other entries that he survived by possessing the other grey wardens.
It is explained that that thing is a blight corrupted dragon, not an archdemon.

There's no grey area between oppressors and oppressed: the mages are in the right and the templars are wrong and deserve to be all exterminated(it's always a pleasure to spill templar blood), just like the Chantry, a racist bigoted organization, needs to be destroyed and its clergy butchered, the world will be a much better world when it will be washed with the blood of the parasites of the Chantry.
It is one of the main reasons why hardened Leliana is the best divine, since she will supress an attempted revolt by reactionaries by killing them. Good, i approve of that, reactionaries being massacred is always a pleasure to the eye.

As for the conflict between them( mages are the right side, keep that in mind) is pretty much resolved when you either go to deal with Alexius or Denam and is definitely resolved in the epilogue of the main game.

And yet i am able to make coherent logical arguments based on objective facts which is more than can be said about you.

Imagine side quests that don't pad out a game even worst taking skyrim quests that even in lore aren't done by the dragonborn LOL

Convenants can be highly ignorable considering some even reward you with nothing. Some areas of DD are literally just that a great field with nothing

Your argument is so bad i don't even know if you are trying to defend side quests as something meaningful or not

Nope it is not bad because it is different it is bad because it is mind numbing every combat plays the same. You just hold the attack button that i still don't know why that even exists and spam the exact same skills over and over the only exception is those demons that have element resistance but even with a mage you just come with a different element staff simple as that and again saying you saw you didn't llike is the most childlike thing a person can do instead of trying the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing

Except mod is not a excuse for releasing a bad game. I will do a crappy job and someone else will fix it. You mod a game that you already have beaten or got tired. Your brain must be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up if you buy a game to mod it without playing it once you are literally buying a game to play other game

Yet still it has positioning, timing understanding attack patterns that every RPG has but on contrary on DAI you just pick 2 to 4 mages and shield spam you can literally fight any enemy without moving a step(of course not being massively underleveled)

It just says that and that this dragon(i really don't care what it is called) that randomly appears on 3 and that it need him for cory to respawn that isn't even mentioned on 2 "hey the whole time i had this dragon hidden somewhere"

Yes, mages are opressed like when the kiddo almost killed the entire redcliffe village with a undead army on DAO only because he got possessed by a desire demon or Anders blowing up a chantry killing hundreds of innocents super innocent

Hehe same could be said on DA2 killing the Templar high commander AND first enchanter while the game says like everyone from both sides "gathered" in one place everybody decided to throw a war at redcliffe and screw it. And it is not even a conflict between two sides it just throw a random venatori agent and says the other side died completely ♥♥♥♥ it

[Ephemerant]

What an absolute dumpster fire of a thread...

[arenaynieve]

Publicado originalmente por Sinsational:

What an absolute dumpster fire of a thread...

Lovely isnt it xD?

[Clientofwar]

Publicado originalmente por Sinsational:

What an absolute dumpster fire of a thread...

No u

[Yoshikami]

Shouldn't have removed skill queues. Now I have to press CTRL every 1 second to make sure everybody is doing what I want them to do. I thought dumbing down the game made them easier not more tedious...